To think this could mean the end of brexit?

[jdoe8]

Now MPs will be able to block it. Could this be the end of this ridiculous brexit? MPs can not vote for something that they think will not be in peoples interest and its very clear the people that voted to brexit would be the ones worse off.

JO'B is doing a fab job on LBC today and most brexiters seem to be happy that it might not go ahead as they were fooled by lies!

[101handbags]

Most staunchest... yuck...sorry...

[ChazsBrilliantAttitude]

There was an Act of Parliament for the referendum but there was no wording included to make it binding. Without that wording it is not binding no matter what guff was put in literature.

Compare it with the
Parliamentary Voting and Constituancies Act 2011 that instituted the referendum on the voting system in the UK which contained the following


"Commencement or repeal of amending provisions
.
(1)

The Minister must make an order bringing into force section 9, Schedule 10 and Part 1 of Schedule 12 (“the alternative vote provisions”) if—
.
(a)
more votes are cast in the referendum in favour of the answer “Yes” than in favour of the answer “No”, and

(b)
the draft of an Order in Council laid before Parliament under subsection (5A) of section 3 of the Parliamentary Constituencies Act 1986 (substituted by section 10(6) below) has been submitted to Her Majesty in Council under section 4 of that Act.


(2)
If more votes are not cast in the referendum in favour of the answer “Yes” than in favour of the answer “No”, the Minister must make an order repealing the alternative vote provisions.

(3)
An order under subsection (1)—
(a)
must bring the alternative vote provisions into force on the same day as the coming into force of the Order in Council in terms of the draft referred to in paragraph (b) of that subsection, but
(b)
does not affect any election held before the first parliamentary general election following that day."

It was this provision in the Act that made that referendum binding. Without an express provision in the constituting act the referendum is not binding.

[KarlosKKrinkelbeim]

The High court has decided that the government must get parliamentary sanction before acting in such a way as to affect the rights of the British people. Anyone who thinks that's undemocratic needs to buy a fucking dictionary. And a brain.

[Dontpanicpyke]

If parliament refuses to allow article 50 then Theresa will have no choice but to call a general election.

Labour Will be wiped out and the tories will get a massive majority as all there usual and UKIP supporters will vote for them.

Labour MPs know where their bread is buttered.

Don't even consider the Lib Dems really they are preposterous.

It's a stupid move as it unsettled businesses and so threatens jobs.

[Elendon]

Gisela Stuart is right wing Labour. I've met her numerous times and heard her speak numerous times. She is Brexit.

This is a list of those who voted for the war in Iraq and those who voted against. Stuart voted for as did Theresa May.

metro.co.uk/2016/07/06/chilcot-report-did-my-mp-vote-for-or-against-the-iraq-war-5989823/

[ChazsBrilliantAttitude]

If Parliament was happy to be bound by the result of the referendum why didn't they put something in the Act to make it binding. So to all those MP's expressing outrage - why didn't you do your job properly in the first place if you wanted the result of the referendum to be binding.

[FluffyPineapple]

The figure on the side of the bus was never promised to be spent on the NHS. It could be. Never promised that it would be. No lie at all. I'm bemused by this being the main criticism of the leave campaign

This

I also find it incredible that this is what the Remoaners constantly roll out. As if people would genuinely believe that £350 would be spent on the NHS. Most people who voted to Brexit would have made their decision long before this advert was rolled out anyway.

Most Brexiters could see that the British Government had their hands tied when attempting to make decisions for Britain. They were bound by EU Laws aka Having to comply with the Brussels dictatorship. Coupled with the fact that nobody voted to join the EU in the first place. That was thrust upon us.

Of course the ridiculous decision by Merkel to invite millions of unknown foreign nationals to join her country and then try to dictate to UK that we had to take "our fair share" didn't go down well either - especially when the people of Germany were up in arms with Merkel for inviting these Migrants to effectively ruin their country. As is France and Italy who are now having to house the remainder of the "Refugees" as Germany is full.

www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-idUSKCN1152IU

Very soon Merkel will be chucked out of office. Germany will exit the EU, along with France and Italy and the EU will be no more YAY!

[albertcampionscat]

What Karlos said.

It buys time. Time is terrible for Brexit, because the further we get from the referendum euphoria the clearer it becomes that there is no plan, and there can't be a plan because there's no way we'll get a deal as the one we've got.

Time gives us a chance to sober up.

[PokemonWanker]

Another remainer here. As much as I wanted us to stay in Europe, the referendum result was clear and we should abide by it.

I think Parliament should be involved in deciding the terms of Brexit, and the government should be able to appeal the court's decision. I may not like the results but that's democracy.

[BaggyCheeks]

I'm just glad we're having a reminder that this is a parliamentary democracy, and that Theresa May can't run it as a dictatorship.
While I don't think that the majority of MPs would outright block Brexit, this will hopefully water down the Hard Brexit nonsense into something a little more sane and palatable.

This.

If MPs vote to enact the result of the referendum (in itself flawed - why it was allowed to be treated the way it was based on 65% of the eligible electorate turning up to vote is a farce in itself), then fine. But at least May and co can't ride roughshod over parliamentary process, and have to accept the scrutiny that they will very rightly be under.

IMO people who are pissed off at the High Court ruling should be more angry at the lies that have been peddled by the Leave campaign than the ruling.

[SlottedSpoon]

most brexiteers seem to be happy that it might not go ahead

Really? I haven't met a single leave voter who says they regret their decision yet. Can you provide sources for that statement?

[Elendon]

Labour will be wiped out because they have a leader who doesn't lead. He's ineffectual and not intelligent. Same as May really.

They both sing from the same hymn sheet. Conservative MPs are as much in danger as Labour to reactionary politics. Ukip's major funder may have left but as the saying goes 'nature abhors a vacuum'

[loobyloo1234]

I voted Leave. I don’t mind today’s ruling and I have never regretted my decision which some of you seemingly think cannot be true

We are, at the end of the day a democracy, so the people we as a country elected I appreciate the irony of this statement should do their jobs properly and do as they see fit.

Hopefully MP's will follow their constituencies decisions on the Referendum

[Lorelei76]

is no one else thinking this will go on for years now?

If the Government wins the appeal I have a feeling TM will prefer not to bulldoze it through so maybe some kind of compromise will be put on the table and then we'll be asked to vote again?

If the Government loses the appeal then I think Parliament will block it and tbh I think that might lead to riots which is worrying.

given that governments often tend to take an age to get round to doing anything I think this will run as long as fox hunting!

[PassTheCremeEggs]

I don't think Parliament will block it, for two reasons: 1) MPs might want to respect the "will" of the people for reasons of good conscience and the less good 2) they will want to keep their jobs and will certainly risk their seats if they vote against it and their constituency was a strong leaver.

[GingerIvy]

Of course, this is all going to kick off repeatedly. The EU is not going to just sit around while we go back and forth on this. Expecting a very firm "shit or get off the pot" from them very soon, and a public "bend over" being required whichever way we go from them.

[slenderisthenight]

I don't feel any compunction at all to abide by the advisory ref. vote which was won by a narrow majority, held about a very complex issue and voted on by a mis-informed, widely confused public - with not great turn-out at that.

If that's the will of the people, I'll eat my hat. Leave it to the experts, or have the experts find out a bit more, inform us properly and ask us properly.

[GingerIvy]

advisory ref. vote which was won by a narrow majority, held about a very complex issue and voted on by a mis-informed, widely confused public - with not great turn-out at that.

Wow, bingo all in one post. Honestly, this thread is just a rehash of the same old rubbish. Meh.

[throwingpebbles]

Surely, ^surely^ , whatever side of the debate we sit on regarding Europe, we should all welcome a review of such a constitutionally significant action by the highest court??? Surely!
Similarly, surely, whenever such a constitutionally enormous step may be taken we would not wanted it to be based solely a government act founded on "the decision of the people" (particularly after such a fraudulent creative campaign by the brexiteers).
Surely any such significant constitutional move should face the full scrutiny of the Supreme Court and the Houses of Parliament? Otherwise what kind of precedent are we setting for the future?? We are opening the gate for corrupt governments to make massive constitutional changes based on fraud and deceit without any scrutiny or challenge.

So everyone, every single one of you should be welcoming this. It's about the legitimacy of the procedure not whether we stay in Europe or not.

[GingerIvy]

I understand the need for it to go through the courts, but this constant division (and rubbish nonsense about how stupid leavers didn't know what they were voting for and so on) is getting so unbelievably old now. And I didn't even vote leave, FFS. I'm just tired of the constant bitching about it.

[Twooter]

I guess the Lisbon treaty came about by referenda giving the 'wrong' results, so it's only fit that we get trapped in the EU because we 'didn't get it right' over Brexit.

[Memoires]

MPs can't vote for something they think is not in people's interest?????? Do you honestly believe that?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha

[Lorelei76]

Creme, re MPs not voting against their constituents I get that but...

a) some of them will have had constituents vote by narrow margins either way

b) some are not standing for re-election

c) some will be affected by boundary changes

d) some will feel strongly enough to go against their constituents. So I think putting it to Parliament is another one where the result will be hard to predict.

[stella23]

MPs can't vote for something they think is not in people's interest?????? Do you honestly believe that?
We're only in this mess because David Cameron use the referendum as a vote winner! He was Very self interested