Enough is enough

[RBeer]

We are now in the throes of a right wing agenda willing to bring down the country for its own ideological beliefs. Bad things happen when good people do nothing. I for one will stand up so lest my children say I did nothing.

The choice for the cps to prosecute is based on whether there is enough evidence to go to court. Enough evidence. Not no or some. Just enough.

And yes, I've looked at all of the graphs. And read the report. There's some interesting stuff in there about solely the impact of after the referendum. There's also very good stuff in there about the raises after the Charlie hebdo and other attacks. Which also shows precisely why these figures have some rise and fall element.

Could we take some of what is being discussed here and use it as part of template letters to MP''s, the Press and Social Media?

Dear WW, would you mind butting out please? I have long ignored your irrelevant (to this thread at least) ramblings. As you evidently feel so strongly about the supposed over-reporting of hate crime - the lady doth protest too much, methinks - why not start a new thread on the subject? That would leave us poor, deluded remoaners in peace to discuss ways in which to make our voices heard by the frighteningly right-wing core of our current Government. Thanks awfully and best wishes, Shirley

I work in the court system. There is insufficient money for prosecutions, the police, the CPS, the Legal Aid budget, the courts themselves have been cut to the bone. Thousands of crimes are not being prosecuted, accounting for the apparent drop in offending. "Low level" racist offending eg telling someone to go home because we have voted out, will never reach the court. It doesn't mean that it is not happening or that zenophobia is not on the rise

Hi shirley i wonder what prompted you to stop ignoring? I don't mind if you ignore them at all. Feel free.

Smallfox: my decision was not based on prejudice. Though obviously your post was.

WW please tell me why you think people "talking down" is effecting the confidence of business, rather than the actual implications of leaving the EU single market?

Smallfox,

Given your absolute confidence, why don't you take me up on my offer? We can cross some gbp:eur 6 month forward on an exchange like betfair.

After all, you are the expert and I am just a stupid mark.

MrsPeterDoherty "low level racist offending" you're right nothing will get done about it, doesn't mean to say rise in these sort of incidents should be dismissed as they're not prosecuted.

WW, I guess I got a bit fed up with wading through the vast number of off topic posts to find answers to the original question. As you seem unwilling to take my advice (your prerogative obvs), I shall go back to ignoring you.

Small: We are not just talking about 'people on mn' talking down the economy. We're talking about the Bank of England, senior political figures, EU leaders and the country's major broadcaster. You can think it doesn't have an impact if you like. Not only does it have an impact, in the case of the BBC it may actually be its purpose. The impact of confidence - and panic responses - is well documented: it affected Labour governments in the last half of the 20th Century. It's silly to pretend it doesn't have an impact. I don't know why you're doing that.

there's been quite a lot of abuse in the other direction actually. Not that that gets noticed until there's an actual murder - and even that is pretty much ignored.

What do you expect the BOE and other economic experts to be doing? Saying its all going to be ok or wonderful when the signs are that it isn't. The BBC merely reports the news, seeing it as doing it on purpose is a bit tin foil hat. They did report the positive economic news in Sept when the crashes in sector indexes were reversed, they report the booming FTSE etc etc.

You know you can't ask people to say everything is going to be OK when the economic indicators and forecasts of certain scenarios says it isn't so. If they did they would be discredited far more than if they didn't.

there's been quite a lot of abuse in the other direction actually. Not that that gets noticed until there's an actual murder - and even that is pretty much ignored.

Shouldn't you be applauding that then, to be consistent? Has there been a spike in reporting? If not, said abuse must be made up? If yes, but no corresponding increase in prosecutions, ditto? And weren't we ignoring murders of an MP and a Polish man by xenophobes?

Isn't it about time Leavers dropped the childish tabloid misspelling of "Remoaners" - often in the very same posts they complain about people calling them names? Unless, of course, we all revert to the infant school playground and and retailiate with "La-La-Leavers" or similar

On a more adult note, I was interested to read that the number of Leavers who regret their vote would now result in a majority for Remain were the referendum to be held now:
uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-vote-regret-leave-margin-victory-2016-10

Mirabelle,

"Could we take some of what is being discussed here and use it as part of template letters to MP's, the Press and Social Media?"

Yes I think that would be a good idea, and if people were willing to share their letters to MPs on here I would certainly find that helpful.

I expect them to not be talking down the economy, that's what - obviously. There have been good, positive economic indicators since and I expect them to be made more of. The BBC does NOT merely report the news - it's highly selective and the tone is entirely down to the presenter/correspondent/writer on the day. Example: bad news makes a headline and top story: good news is relegated to a short 'news in brief' ni the business bulletin and the end of the hour or half hour. a I don't expect everything to be reported as 'OK '- I expect everything to be reported accurately.

What should I be applauding? The spike in reporting is assumed to be all racist and xenophobic. I read somewhere (and can't back this up as I can't remember where) that some of it was abusive tweets to Nigel Farage. The tsunami of acceptance of a massive rise in racist attacks is not going to stop now.

I would be genuinely interested in what remainers would like to see happen, Soft Brexit? or for A50 not to be invoked at all?

Actually multiple analyses of reporting on Brexit have highlighted that the bias was in favour of the out camapaign. Eg blog.lboro.ac.uk/crcc/eu-referendum/uk-news-coverage-2016-eu-referendum-report-5-6-may-22-june-2016/

Of course by definition any study is going to be produced by intellectuals and therefore WW will discount it as elitist

I am sure we can all agree that some figures, particularly those aligned to UKIP, received exposure out of all proportion to their actual support amongst the electorate. It says it all when BBCs newsnight fields, in counterpoint to a City Analyst outlining the impact of losing the EU passport, a UKIP donor multi millionaire on live feed from his home In Guernsey......

Your extremely deluded.

The "good" economic news has merely been a reversal of the falls in sector reports after we voted to leave. The pound remains at the lowest level against the dollar in over 30 years, business optimism remains low, firms have halted investment, there are massive negatives of leaving the single market to British firms and it is a big risk.

The talking down the economy point is a sign that your not prepared to accept the potential damage that you are your leave colleagues have done to the country.

In the end if the economy is damaged by leaving the EU it won't be because the news "talked it down" it will be because leaving the EU and especially the single market was a stupid idea.

Just poking head into the thread to remind you all to
stick to our talk guidelines

The spike in reporting is assumed to be all racist and xenophobic

From the Home Office report again:

"Figure A1 shows the monthly number of racially or religiously aggravated offences recorded by the police ... The sharp increase in offences is not replicated in the non-racially or religiously aggravated equivalent offences"

time4 I want Theresa May to prioritise the economy and therefore safeguard the EU passport for financial services and the access of our higher education, science and technology sectors to EU collaboration and other networks. I would also like to see in parallel investment in our infrastructure to provide a more positive environment for new businesses around the country, this was in the conferance speech but saying and doing are entirely different things. As a start she could increase the proportion of GDP invested in Science to the same level as in other G8 countries at 3%, currently it is 1.7%. I would also like the current non EU immigration controls to be streamlined so they are more responsive to our economic needs instead of being a constant target for reduction, most especially students have no rightful position in those figures let alone as a target for reduction.

As to what I am doing. I have joined pressure groups like "Scientists in the EU" , I will march with them and I have made these points to my pro remain Conservative MP who is very focused on world issues, so far all her contributions in parliament have been on behalf of Syrian refugees so I am hopeful she could actually be a rebel in the making and a lever for a change in TM's direction.

I would be genuinely interested in what remainers would like to see happen, Soft Brexit? or for A50 not to be invoked at all?

I'm not sure how genuine your question is time as the answer is fairly obvious

remainers want the least possible disruption which would be no A50 or soft Brexit.