Enough is enough

[RBeer]

We are now in the throes of a right wing agenda willing to bring down the country for its own ideological beliefs. Bad things happen when good people do nothing. I for one will stand up so lest my children say I did nothing.

Being made up wouldn't surprise me to be fair, given my personal anecdotal experience.

Yeah, tell it like it is!

Hey larry, was this the sort of thing you meant when you were expressing your distress at poor innocent "people being called racist and xenophobic"?

There wouldnt be enough evidence or resources to prosecute every time there's verbal abuse in the school playground on the grounds of being from an EU country, but should be reported.

Confidence?

Firms don't make decisions based on people talking down the economy, they make them based on certainties. There are none right now in the UK.

Consumer confidence seems to be fairly high, if you look at the positive brexit news which is widely reported, consumers are still spending. Its firms that aren't investing and that have stalled investment. The currecy has dived showing business optimism, you an't say its down to others talking brexit down.

Its down to the fact that most investors think its a bloody stupid idea.

Oh I see - maybe you should read my link Smallfox.

Am I not allowed to bring my own anecdotal experience after other people have brought theirs?

Why should I read your link?

WW you're xenophobic and you don't even realise. Great example of Leave voter that confirms all my fears. I'm really worried.

Given how long it takes to get a prosecution, I wouldn't expect to see the a noticeable rise yet anyway.

But yes to lord. A lot of rape is recorded but not prosecuted. Does that mean it's not happening?

Exactly, Magik. Most nasty little xenophobic comments, reported but nothing will happen.

WW

Do you agree the vote was close, almost 50-50?
Do you agree that in fact the leave vote was only 37% of the electorate?
Do you agree that if the vote had been taken last year, or next year, or next week or in three years, the result might well have been different and that it was in fact a finger in the wind snap shot of public opinion?
Do you think it wise to make major and irreversible changes that will affect generations to come on such a snap shot?

I'm not saying the UK should never leave the EU (although personally I hope we don't) but to base the decision to leave on this referendum, and only this one referendum, is absolute madness imo. A step like this should be taken with extreme caution and with strong public support (which this doesn't have). I used to be chair of the pre-school my children attended, for various reasons we wanted to close the pre-school. Because this was deemed such a serous and irreversible step we had a higher hurdle to get over (in terms of members vote) than we did to take the UK out of the EU. This whole ref was madness.

Still, it's done now. I have come almost come to the decision that we should leave the EU, and should just shuffle off the world stage and go and die of embarrassment in a corner somewhere.

The timing doesn't come into it. The graph shows a rise in reports at a time there was a sharp drop in prosecutions. There is a big current and hsitorial disconnect between reports and prosecutions but for a rise in one while there's a drop in the other - that's more than a disconnect. That shows a marked number of extremely flimsy reports.

shuffle off the world stage and go and die of embarrassment in a corner somewhere.

I wish the Remoaners would do that. What a bloody drainer all the time.

Lulu what on earth did you report? have you been triggered?

The timing between recording and prosecutions does come into it massively.

Mag: no it doesn't. Please look at your graph and try to understand why.

Well as prosecutions take time to come to court following reporting conflating the two as evidence for the rise not happening is rather facetious.

Demonstrates one of two things, either you're denying it because your prejudices are too high to allow you to see the reality or you are just desperate to be proved right.

You've got statistics there (on your graph) for reports showing a rise over the year, and statistics (from me) showing a sharp drop over the year. We are not talking about, reported in July, oh there's no prosecution yet.

Prejudice yourself, and confirmation bias to boot.

I can read data very well thank you. A crime reported in July is not likely to be seen in court within weeks, let alone months, should it be taken that far. If it goes that far it's done on having enough evidence, not having enough evidence is proof that there's no evidence or no crime.

I will buy the sourced official statistics. The graph is the Home Office's by the way, not mine.

Something doesn't have to go to court to be prosecuted it's prosecuted when charges are brought

Not having enough evidence is not proof ffs

Yes but did you actually look at the graph

And have you compared the graph reported figures 2015-16 showing a rise and prosecuted figures for same period showing a sharp fall

that proves the disconnect (more than a disconnect) and that proves the flimsiness of the online reporting system

Your not much of a challenge WW are you.

Conflating your argument desperately to cling to one of your argued points, a fallacious attempt to say that "talking down" is the factor leading to businesses not investing.

By the way on business optimism, if firms were reluctant to invest prior to brexit, why do you think people talking on MN would cause them to not invest after brexit? You know that its the long term uncertainty that you were warned would occur after a Brexit vote, but chose to ignore and take the decision anyway.

You make decisions based on your prejudices and then try to blame the impacts on other people, shows that you lack the courage of your convictions.