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Enough is enough

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RBeer · 15/10/2016 14:33

We are now in the throes of a right wing agenda willing to bring down the country for its own ideological beliefs. Bad things happen when good people do nothing. I for one will stand up so lest my children say I did nothing.

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jaws5 · 16/10/2016 17:45

That's how I read it too cross maybe we should all take Sunday evening off 😊

smallfox2002 · 16/10/2016 17:48

I read that differently. Hands up if i was wrong.

Bearbehind · 16/10/2016 17:50

im pretty sure lilabee was using jaws quote about Leavers derailing the thread to say Remainers had no rational arguments etc either

I may need Wine though!

whatwouldrondo · 16/10/2016 17:52

Yes that was how I read it, she/they were describing the realities of Brexit in contrast to the lack of complexity in the posts of the leavers. I have to say asking for some focus is reasonable, a full erudition of the complexities of Brexit would take a while, how many threads has Red run through now?

Seems like I was pissing in the wind again as far as WW is concerned. I live in hope that someone could give me guidance on all the career options open to my family in post Brexit Britain, other than trade negotiator [sigh]

shirleyknotanotherbot · 16/10/2016 17:57

I did too Blush

jaws5 · 16/10/2016 18:02

I heard someone say the other day that learning modern European languages is now irrelevant and children should now focus on learning Mandarin, with views to future trade jobs. I think many people expect millions of trade based jobs in the future!

jaws5 · 16/10/2016 18:02

What a con!

MagikarpetRide · 16/10/2016 18:02

I think we may need lila to clarify.

But can I just say that whatever was meant - that is the best way to derail a thread, epic confusion Grin

Peregrina · 16/10/2016 18:10

It's a genuine question: What do people think about which languages should be learnt? I tend to think that Mandarin is a rather fashionable fad myself. Would we be able to get it up to a level where it could be useful in a business context? I would probably promote Spanish, but that's because I know much more Spanish than French and German.

jaws5 · 16/10/2016 18:16

Peregrina, learning any language is great and the more the better. But I think that Spanish but also German and Italian will play a bigger role in the lives of most UK children than Mandarin, which will also be relevant as so will Arabic.

jaws5 · 16/10/2016 18:17

It's also about a common, shared and valued European history, and language is a great part of that.

smallfox2002 · 16/10/2016 18:20

If you look at economic growth potential, I'd be learning Urdu, Bengali or Hindi as a language for future business. China's exponential growth has finished, the population is ageing and India has a young population, with the highest number of graduates, and many investment opportunities.

That's of you can get them, India is notoriously protectionist.

whatwouldrondo · 16/10/2016 19:08

I think jaws point about language accessing history and culture is even more important when it comes to giving children and young people an opportunity to learn non European languages like Mandarin and Arabic.

Knowing Mandarin is quite useful in business but mainly for taking down barriers and being able to share cultural norms. English is one of the 18+ exams in China so making yourself understood in China is not usually the issue but a little Mandarin goes a long way in terms of building relationships.

However learning Mandarin or Arabic opens up the perspective of non western cultures and that ability to appreciate other perspectives will be increasingly important in the world of the future, well beyond the daft knee jerk of Brexit

Mandarin characters in particular are insights into culture because they are pictograms rooted in culture - some of that is global, the character for man represents a field and strength and for woman, femininity and a broom Hmm It all helps our young people to understand the reality of Jo Cox's words, more in common indeed but it does help if we understand what sets us apart too.

Peregrina I don't think the fad has done Mandarin teaching any favours, schools think that adding it to the curriculum makes them look good so they scour the local area for anyone who can speak it and is prepared to sit in front of a classroom of pupils. There is a desperate shortage of actual Mandarin teachers who understand how to teach it. The result is a lot of bored pupils who get put off. I know of only a handful of schools, all private, who have gone to the trouble of recruiting skilled teachers and developed educational strategies to ensure it is taught effectively.

Mistigri · 16/10/2016 19:18

It's a genuine question: What do people think about which languages should be learnt? I tend to think that Mandarin is a rather fashionable fad myself.

I think it is probably extremely difficult to get to a point where your mandarin is useful, without a period in immersion.

My department employs three native Mandarin speakers because it is the only way to get effective business done in China. Our Chinese colleagues either conduct research alone, or attend meetings with their UK counterparts.

In contrast most of the British employees in the department can get by in a european language - three of us are fully bilingual or trilingual. The company graduate scheme now favours applicants with good, preferably fluent french or german.

LordRothermereBlackshirtCunt · 16/10/2016 19:25

I'd love to learn an Indian language, not least because I travel to India for work sometimes and am fascinated by the culture. I've tried to find a Hindi or Bengali class, but it's seemingly impossible unless you live in London. The other problem is which Indian language to learn, since none of them is spoken universally across the country. Hindi, for example, is not spoken in the south and even in somewhere like Mumbai, there is a growing preference for the local language, Marathi. And they all have different scripts!

Cxc78 · 16/10/2016 21:39

I can't believe I missed all the action with WW, always amusing that one! She must've run out of tinfoil and obviously took a chance last night with the full moon to go and get some...

prettybird · 16/10/2016 22:39

Ds' secondary school must be ahead of the game: pupils choose French or Urdu as their 1st MFL, which they have to study for 2 years. The 2nd MFL is either German or Spanish, alternate years again for the 1st 2 years at secondary (ds was a "Spanish" year).

In S3 they have to take forward at least one of the MFLs.

I'm being slightly disingenuous: the study of Urdu is more to do with the ethnic demographics of the school's catchment than any belief in business development opportunities. Grin

ZuleikaDobson · 16/10/2016 22:47

WW's in full tinfoil mode on the Trump thread. No surprises there.

What fascinates me about the desperation of Leavers to shut down all debate on the grounds that the result of the Referendum apparently means that there is nothing to discuss, is that they spent decades campaigning against the result of the previous EU referendum. You really can't have it both ways.

Cxc78 · 16/10/2016 23:01

Omg just had a look... Too much for a Sunday night

LordRothermereBlackshirtCunt · 16/10/2016 23:33

Quite, Zuleika. They spent 43 and a half years complaining about being in the EEC / EU (and there was a very convincing mandate in the 1975 referendum, unlike this one). By my reckoning, I'm now entitled to "remoan" for at least the next 43 years and two months. Of course, I'll probably be dead by then, but I'll do my best.

ZuleikaDobson · 17/10/2016 00:41

I think this may sum up a number of threads round here: sphericalbullshit.wordpress.com/2016/10/11/every-conversation-with-a-brexiteer-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-2667

Peregrina · 17/10/2016 09:28

Love it Zuleika - sums up the debate perfectly.

smallfox2002 · 17/10/2016 09:31

Love that, its brilliant.

jaws5 · 17/10/2016 09:46

😆

whatwouldrondo · 17/10/2016 10:51

That Trump thread Shock

I read a Farage article in the Telegraph a while back and after it had trotted out its usual diatribe about people being fed up with the elites and the establishment, which I am especially the one he is in with Murdoch and Dacre, he claimed that they were therefore willing to accept imperfect politicians with weaknesses.

So this man is now telling us that we should not expect probity or even common human values, at least on the face of it, like decency, courtesy and respect in our politicians? From that Trump thread clearly so. I guess that is why we have Fox back.