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Boris outmaneovered. Et tu Gove & Corbyn? The Westministenders Hunger Games Continues

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RedToothBrush · 01/07/2016 12:08

Following the Machiavellian Govian shambles? Utterly gobsmacked at the Labour clusterfuck?

Who will strike next?

Who will the shadowy hand of Osborne back?
Can Gove be launched back into space and back to the planet he came from?
Can May save the country from almost certain doom?
Will Leadsom patronise us all to death (whilst silently stabbing people in the back with a sweet smile)?
Can Johnson make a decision he can stick to, and can we persuade him to give up being a politician?
Will Steven Crabb get rid of that god awful beard?

Will Corbyn shoot himself in the other foot?
Will Angela Eagle get a spine and just stand?
Who the fuck is Owen Smith?
Will the Blairites be foiled and damned?
Are momentum a bunch of thugs or a force for a better, for the people?

Will Farage disappear back under his rock?
Will people wake up to Arron Banks?
What will Dominic Cummings destroy next?

Have we seen a coup d'état?
How do we improve democracy and representation?

All these questions and more.
Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

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thecatfromjapan · 04/07/2016 20:46

Heard the news of Johnson's endorsement of Leadsom?

RedToothBrush · 04/07/2016 20:46

Leadsom is MORE LIKELY to spark a Tory revolt, if May got 2/3 of the vote of the MPs. Any stupid business, I wouldn't be surprised in a vote of no confidence....

But Leadsom will hit a50 first before this.

Thing is though, with Leadsom I think an early GE is more likely to be on the cards as I have a funny feeling the MPs will not tolerant her as I don't think she has their full respect.

Its just going to be too late to save us, and will only serve to bring more chaos.

Great. Just great.

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RedToothBrush · 04/07/2016 20:48

He said that on the day of knives. Its just not been official, official.

May I feel is at least competent. Leadsom isn't.

Maybe I'll put some money on at the bookies this time, to help ease my pain.

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thecatfromjapan · 04/07/2016 20:48

And did anyone see the item on #C4news saying Lloyds are actioning their post-passporting plans?

Helmetbymidnight · 04/07/2016 20:48

Let Leadsome/the brexiters shovel the shit.

thecatfromjapan · 04/07/2016 20:49

They'll take is with them, though, Hemet.

SwedishEdith · 04/07/2016 20:52

The trouble with having a hardcore Brexiter at the helm is that 48% of the electorate will feel entirely unrepresented

Exactly. They're not there for their own personal ambition but to act in best interests of whole country.

Grin Grin Grin Grin

RedToothBrush · 04/07/2016 20:53

F-U-C-K

Boris as Chancellor.

ARRRGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gove as Home Secretary or head of Brexit.

Oh My FUCKING GOD.

It could be the unholy trinity of shit.

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thecatfromjapan · 04/07/2016 20:53

I wondered if the official endorsement might have an effect? What is Johnson's standing amongst the wider Conservative membership? Especially the Leavers?

And the Conservative Leavers are (hopefully) not a homogenous group ...

Helmetbymidnight · 04/07/2016 20:54

I know. But I think there's no avoiding it all now, not really. And at least if it's a Brexitter, they can't say - you did it wrong, etc, etc.

What is it, 10 days now?! I'm still raging as much as I was that first Friday morning.

RedToothBrush · 04/07/2016 20:56

Andrea Leadsom did not come off very well in this evening’s Tory leadership hustings, according to freshly filed reports.

The Sun’s Harry Cole writes that she “crashed and burned with a rambling performance” and quotes one MP as saying: “She was rambling, ended up talking about the frontal cortex of a baby’s brain.”

Owen Bennett relays similarly scathing quotes in the Huffpost, quoting a senior cabinet minister as saying: “When you’re having to say that you’re not Ukip at a hustings to be leader of the Conservative Party, then you are in trouble - it was a car crash.”

If you are an atheist, find God NOW.
Get praying....

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howabout · 04/07/2016 20:56

Just to be contrary. If they were to choose TM as the uniting candidate then 52% are not happy and the 48% are not entirely sure whose side she was on. One way to unite everyone in shared disgruntlement.

Not heard many Brexit MPs advocating for a unifier from the other camp. Not really in the Tory nature.

thecatfromjapan · 04/07/2016 20:57

LOL Red.

(That is slightly hysterical laughter.)

Come on Team May!!!!

RedToothBrush · 04/07/2016 20:58

I don't think tomorrow's vote is going to tell us anything. Unless Gove, Crabb and Fox all just give it up and let Leadsom go for it.

It depends on how much they want to go on their holidays.

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thecatfromjapan · 04/07/2016 20:58

Loving howabout's seeking of silver linings.

SugarPlumTree · 04/07/2016 20:59

What does Leadsom crashing and burning do for Gove? If it helps him please don't answer me...

RedToothBrush · 04/07/2016 21:01

Meanwhile, Alex Salmond is threatening Tony Blair with being tried for war crimes in Scottish courts...

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howabout · 04/07/2016 21:06

I can't help myself thecatfromjapan contrarian by nature and extremely unlikely to ever run for public office Grin

GingerIvy · 04/07/2016 21:07

If Leadsom crashes and burns, would her support go to Gove or May? I would assume Gove, as it's remains?

RedToothBrush · 04/07/2016 21:07

Tory leadership hopeful Andrea Leadsom gave a “car crash” performance in the first hustings in front of MPs Parliament this evening, according to a senior Conservative.

The Energy Minister repeatedly failed to distance herself from Ukip backer Arron Banks, who has endorsed Leadsom as the next Prime Minister through his Brexit campaign group Leave.EU.

Leadsom, who campaigned for the UK to leave the EU, told Tory MPs said she was not working with Ukip, but wouldn’t clarify her relationship with Banks.

One senior cabinet minister said: “When you’re having to say that you’re not Ukip at a hustings to be leader of the Conservative Party, then you are in trouble - it was a car crash.”

Another said: “She gave the answer on Ukip and totally failed to answer on Leave.EU. If you can’t do that that’s a real worry.

“We are one of the worst electorates in the world because we know all the tricks in the book, we know what a non-answer is, that was a non answer.”

One MP said: “She spent too long on Europe and started going on about attachment theory of babies, it was all over the place.”

Another Tory said when Leadsom started taking about frontal lobes of babies, “she lost the room.”

The parliamentary party crammed into a committee room at 5.30pm to hear from all five candidates standing for the leadership of the Conservative Party.

Each candidate made a short opening pitch, before taking questions from colleagues for around 20 minutes.

Justice Secretary Michael Gove, who scuppered Boris Johnson’s leadership challenge, was up first and spent the shortest time of all the candidates in front of his colleagues.

He set out his credentials, but in the question session MPs did not ask him about his betrayal of Johnson.

One MP described the matter as like “an elephant in the room”.

Theresa May drew the biggest cheer of all the candidates from MPs as she stepped up to speak.

Some Tories were banging their hands on the doors of the committee room to show their appreciation for the Home Secretary.

After delivering her opening statement on why she should be the next Prime Minister, she again refused to guarantee the status of EU nationals currently living in the UK as part of any Brexit negotiation.

Cotswold MP Geoffrey Clifton-Brown asked May to set out her full economic policy, including commitments on tax, spending, and the deficit reduction.

“There’s always one,” replied May, provoking laughter from her Tory colleagues.

Work and Pensions Secretary Stephan Crabb addressed the room next, and admitted afterwards he was “a bit nervous”.

He reiterated his view that EU nationals living in the UK should not be part of Brexit negotiations, claiming it would not be “morally the right thing to do”.

Crabb’s biggest round of applause came when he called for the party to move away from the Leave and Remain labels attached to candidates. He insisted the leadership election must not be a re-run of the EU referendum – in which he backed Remain.

Liam Fox also addressed the meeting.

Tory MPs will begin voting on who should be the next party leader on Tuesday, and the candidate with the lowest number of supporters will be eliminated.

Summary:
Leadsom isn't fit to run anything, never mind the country at a time of crisis
Gove is hated.
Theresa May is the only one with any level of respect
Crabb asked for unity yet everyone is still voting along Eurolines
And Liam Fox turned up.

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Felascloak · 04/07/2016 21:08

Omg if Leadsom gets in. I want to think she won't but then I didn't think we'd vote brexit either.
World is going mad. I feel like wearing sackcloth and tolling a bell, shouting the end of the world is nigh.

howabout · 04/07/2016 21:09

Red is that just bluster or does he have any argument to suggest jurisdiction? The English legal system was seriously miffed that Scotland dealt with Lockerbie.

Alisvolatpropiis · 04/07/2016 21:11

Frontal lobes of babies Grin

"As a mother..."

rookiemere · 04/07/2016 21:18

I do like that Liam Fox also addressed the meeting. Grin.

The whole thing is rotten to the core. Johnson has pledged his support for Leadsom, just heard it on the radio - don't know if it was before or after her speech. I sense it doesn't matter too much how the monkey performs, it's down to the organ grinders to make the decisions.

If it goes out to the conservative voters we're lost. I didn't know it would be possible to humiliate ourselves even further in front of other countries and score more own goals, but we seem to manage it every time.

RedToothBrush · 04/07/2016 21:19

Bluster mainly at the moment

www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/04/alex-salmond-tony-blair-tried-war-crimes-scottish-court/

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