Boris outmaneovered. Et tu Gove & Corbyn? The Westministenders Hunger Games Continues

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Following the Machiavellian Govian shambles? Utterly gobsmacked at the Labour clusterfuck?

Who will strike next?

Who will the shadowy hand of Osborne back?
Can Gove be launched back into space and back to the planet he came from?
Can May save the country from almost certain doom?
Will Leadsom patronise us all to death (whilst silently stabbing people in the back with a sweet smile)?
Can Johnson make a decision he can stick to, and can we persuade him to give up being a politician?
Will Steven Crabb get rid of that god awful beard?

Will Corbyn shoot himself in the other foot?
Will Angela Eagle get a spine and just stand?
Who the fuck is Owen Smith?
Will the Blairites be foiled and damned?
Are momentum a bunch of thugs or a force for a better, for the people?

Will Farage disappear back under his rock?
Will people wake up to Arron Banks?
What will Dominic Cummings destroy next?

Have we seen a coup d'état?
How do we improve democracy and representation?

All these questions and more.
Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

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Red Dacre/Murdoch hadn't told him what the vision was until last night

Guido Fawkes‏@GuidoFawkes

Gove is running as the "change" candidate. Just as well because he can't run as the "don't let the other side ruin things" candidate.

Can't they just fight to the death?
That's not what they are already doing?

I have to say though, as tempting as that sounds, it depends on the rules. If its one lives and becomes PM on their own as a dictator I'd be worried. Especially given who appears to have the best knife skills and killer instinct.

If they all just killed each other, you might be on to a cracking idea.

I also note that Gove said no article 50 this year though. I think that means EVERYONE has said that now.
Keep kicking that pebble....

Actually, I think we might have just seen what Osbourne was up to all weekend.

Obi Puppet master and his puppet

Red Good point -fatal flaw in my plan- one would live. How about for the winner we see if they are a witch?

I can't believe Corbyn's still there. The Tories are so much better at getting rid of crap leaders/candidates.

Both Mail and Sun appear to be backing TM after Goves speech - intriguing.

Irene they do have Gove running, so that's that theory gone.

I'm telling you, Gove DOES NOT want to do this. He's hoping to lose but also claw back some Tory credibility by playing along that he believes you can have trade and immigration rules. The knob.
Theresa May all the way. And a GE soon, please

Felascloak But you have to be careful what you don't wish for - look at Brexit and Boris. It could all go horribly wrong for him again and he wins...then what?

Can't they just fight to the death? I'd pay for tickets Cheers Show that's the first time I've cracked a smile all day. I reckon a Hunger Games style contest would be ACE!

Little I worry about them backing May. The Tory leadership battle is never won by the fav...

I tell you want Gove definitely is the main for change:
Michael Gove’s clear hint that he could scrap the Barnett formula, the Treasury system which fixes Scotland’s budget, and change the fiscal framework under the Scotland Act has brought a furious response from the Scottish National party.

Mike Russell, a long-serving Scottish government minister and now convenor of Holyrood’s finance committee, has accused Gove of threatening to rip up a deal only recently signed by the UK government, to guarantee a fair funding deal for Holyrood to underpin Scotland’s new tax raising powers.

That deal, the fiscal framework, was agreed in February after some intense and bitter negotiating between the two governments, where the deal came to the brink of collapse.

“It’s absolutely outrageous that a prospective prime minister is now using a Leave vote to imply that Scotland’s budget could be slashed – just months after the Tories agreed a new financial settlement for Scotland,” Russell said.

That's OBVIOUSLY helpful right now isn't it.

BUT if he gets rid of Scotland, he also gets rid of a massive obstacle to his 'vision'. I know people have joked about England being ruled by Tories for ever, if Scotland leaves, but in the context of Gove and his manifesto it starts looking worse.

Stephen Crabb (19)
Alun Cairns, Maria Caulfield, Steve Double, John Glen, Luke Hall, Simon Hart, Simon Hoare, Sajid Javid, Johnny Mercer, David Morris, Mark Pawsey, Gary Streeter, Chris Skidmore, Chloe Smith, Julian Sturdy, Edward Timpson, Craig Williams, Mike Wood, Jeremy Wright

Liam Fox (6)
Robert Goodwill, James Gray, Gerald Howarth, Scott Mann, Paul Maynard, David Nuttall

Michael Gove (14)
Nick Boles, Henry Bellingham, Suella Fernandes, Michael Fabricant, Nick Gibb, Andrea Jenkyns, Daniel Kawczynski, Nicky Morgan, Bob Neill, Dominic Raab, Jacob Rees Mogg, Anne-Marie Trevelyan, Ed Vaizey, John Whittingdale

Andrea Leadsom (15)
Steve Baker, Julian Brazier, David Burrowes, Chris Green, Chris Heaton-Harris, Bernard Jenkin, Julian Lewis, Tim Loughton, Penny Mordaunt, Anna Marie Morris, James Morris, Tom Pursglove, Michael Tomlinson, Martin Vickers, William Wragg

Theresa May (81)
Heidi Allen, Lucy Allan, Stuart Andrew, Caroline Ansell, Harriet Baldwin, Steve Barclay, Gavin Barwell, Guto Bebb, Paul Beresford, Nicola Blackwood, Richard Benyon, James Brokenshire, Steve Brine, Robert Buckland, Neil Carmichael, James Cartlidge, Rehman Christi, Therese Coffey, Damian Collins, Tracy Crouch, Mims Davies, Caroline Dinenage, Flick Drummond, Alan Duncan, Michael Ellis, Tobias Ellwood, Michael Fallon, Mike Freer, Mark Garnier, Roger Gale, Nusrat Ghani, Chris Grayling, Damian Green, Justine Greening, Dominic Grieve, Andrew Griffiths, Sam Gyimah, Stephen Hammond, Matt Hancock, George Hollingbery, Kevin Hollinrake, Kris Hopkins, Ben Howlett, John Howell, Jeremy Hunt, Margot James, David Jones, Simon Kirby, Julian Knight, Kwasi Kwarteng, Phillip Lee, Brandon Lewis, David Mackintosh, Alan Mak, Patrick Mcloughlin, Stephen Metcalfe, Maria Miller, David Mundell, Mike Penning, Andrew Percy, Claire Perry, Stephen Phillips, Mark Pritchard, Eric Pickles, Will Quince, Amber Rudd, David Rutley, Antoinette Sandbach, Alok Sharma, Alec Shelbrooke, Nicholas Soames, Anna Soubry, Caroline Spelman, Mark Spencer, Ryan Stephenson, Julian Smith, Robin Walker, Craig Whittaker, Chris White, Sarah Wollaston, Nadhim Zahawi

So, the unstoppable political force of the people’s will has crashed into the bureaucratically immovable object of EU membership. Something impossible will have to happen.

Jeremy Shapiro from the European Council on Foreign Relations

From this very interesting (and long) article outlining the views on the reversibility of Brexit by various European experts.

carnegieeurope.eu/strategiceurope/?fa=63955&utm_content=bufferd0ca1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

BathroomSink pleased to see Pob has made it onto this thread

Do you think Arron 'The Tumour' Banks coming out in support of Leadsom would harm her in the long-term? A person like that will want something in return for a donation.

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also, thecatfromjapan you need to familiarize yourself with #catsagainstbrexit if you haven't already done so!

(pubic) Crabb is being supported by (toilet) Skidmore

Sorry trying to find some childish humour in this shitshow

red

Mitzy - he will undoubtedly want something, probably something in the New Year's Honours. Or a job for Farage :shudder:

And Whittingless is supporting Pob.

Red tearing up the Scotland Act ought to be enough to set NS, KD, RD, WR and PH all on him. Have you no idea how much blood, sweat and tears went into that negotiation. Also no-one does backstabbing quite like the Scottish clans especially when they have a common foe to disunite against. Reckon he must be on a power trip to get his head on a pike above London Bridge like William Wallace.

I think that a lot of the 'Remain' vote in London was based on this, certainly in my neck of the woods. The corss-over with the Labour vote is huge. This just feels to me as though their, assumed-to-be-loyal vote is being thrown under the bus in pursuit of a, perhaps illusory, certainly fickle now, 'disaffected' vote.

I also wonder how secure-for-Labour the 'less immigration please' vote is. Is it even naturally correllated with Labour?

I have a lot of sympathy for Labour right now.

They have just lost the plot though.

The Labour supporters I know, are NOT in London. Whilst they are not in essence pro-EU and were fairly indifferent to it, they will not like the anti-immigration ticket at all as it doesn't fit with their liberal leaning.

There's the problem over the anti-immigration ticket. The word liberal...

There is a tug of war going on over the liberal agenda and wanting to get rid of UKIP. Its been driven by being seen to not address UKIP's control of the agenda, rather than Labour setting the agenda themselves and making it about socialism not immigration.

Which takes you straight back to leadership and what the body of the PLP want...

Nightmare.

Whittingless is sooo useless as the Minister of Fun everyone else has had to rally round and do his job for him. Either that or its all a Green Party plot to generate enough heat to keep me warm over the Scottish Summer.

Is Nauticant on this thread? Just wanted to pick up on your comment on the last thread:

It's clear to me that the Brexit vote won because there is a long-standing misalignment between where successive governments had placed the country with respect to the EU and where the country as a mass felt it ought to be.

To me, the Brexit vote won not because of anything to do with the relationship between the UK and EU (except insofar as the EU has been used as a longstanding scapegoat for anything unpopular with the British public), but because the systematic withdrawal of investment by successive Tory governments, starting with Thatcher, in individuals, communities or industries. There was a great article in the Grauniad the other day that expressed it much better that I can:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/27/liverpool-london-brexit-leave-eu-referendum?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Bob and Bill sitting outside the pub one warm summer evening, drinking lager. Bored.

A toad hops past and Bob grabs it. "Bill" says Bob, "I will give you £50 if you eat this toad". Bill ponders, it is disgusting but £50 is a lot of money so he holds his nose and eats the toad.

Bob and Bill sitting outside the pub, both feeling hard done by.

Another toad hops by and this time Bill grabs it. "Bob, I will give YOU £50 to eat this toad". So Bob does and gets his £50 back.

Bob and Bill sitting outside the pub on a warm summer night, deeply in thought.

Finally Bill says: "So Bob, why did we eat the toads?"....

This is what it feels like

Minus the warm summer night :)

And sorry about the craft translation