Boris outmaneovered. Et tu Gove & Corbyn? The Westministenders Hunger Games Continues

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Following the Machiavellian Govian shambles? Utterly gobsmacked at the Labour clusterfuck?

Who will strike next?

Who will the shadowy hand of Osborne back?
Can Gove be launched back into space and back to the planet he came from?
Can May save the country from almost certain doom?
Will Leadsom patronise us all to death (whilst silently stabbing people in the back with a sweet smile)?
Can Johnson make a decision he can stick to, and can we persuade him to give up being a politician?
Will Steven Crabb get rid of that god awful beard?

Will Corbyn shoot himself in the other foot?
Will Angela Eagle get a spine and just stand?
Who the fuck is Owen Smith?
Will the Blairites be foiled and damned?
Are momentum a bunch of thugs or a force for a better, for the people?

Will Farage disappear back under his rock?
Will people wake up to Arron Banks?
What will Dominic Cummings destroy next?

Have we seen a coup d'état?
How do we improve democracy and representation?

All these questions and more.
Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

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Interesting propaganda....

Hmm I strangely want Gove to win the leadership. Because he's so universally hated that i think he would then spectacularly lose any subsequent General Election.

May, on the other hand, while hated by some, comes across as the most moderate sensible one of the bunch. I fear that with her as leader, the Tories might just hang on to power.

I'm liking the talk of a new party, formed from the ashes of the Labour meltdown, together with the Greens and Plaid Cymru - a coalition of the brave and sensible.

Poor Penfold :(

A vile calumny!

I'm at the point with Labour now that I'd prefer Theresa May as PM than Corbyn.

We need a strong leader to navigate us through some treacherous waters.

We need someone pragmatic. Not an ideologue.

Who else could lead these negotiations?

Although actually her propsed Minister for Brexit is Grayling. So scratch that.

We're back to "something impossible needs to happen".

That Cummings guy has the MOST terrifying face. I expect laser beams to come out of his eyes. I do hope that the Great Political Prick Plague of 2016 that I'm invoking from the Gods (the bad ones) will carry him off in a mass of oozy killer buboes.

Agreed Cummings looks as sinister, if not more so, than Gove.

And I agree that Gove's all-but-erased-Scottish Accent has made a miraculously mild comeback. Expect it to strengthen over the next few weeks. How does a man raised in Aberdeen speak like that?

If I was the political strategy department for the opposition party at the next Election, Andrea Leadsom was PM and had the financial support of Arron Banks, the very first bit of propaganda I'd have, is her face plaster up next to a photo of THAT poster.

Just to remind everyone who she was in bed with.

As a matter of interest, Gove said he would not have Cummings at no10 and said so with an emphatic NO.

Do we believe the man who said he wouldn't stand for PM?

Someone has registered gove2016.co.uk and it's not Gove

I thought I'd just remind everyone today about Gove's comments on the need for the First World War to protect Liberty against aggressive German expansion and that it was a just war. It can be found on the Daily Mail website from 2014.

How can I get a Canadian passport?

You might think Cummings looks sinister but that's nowhere as scary as what he thinks (or states what he thinks, who knows what the reality might be?).

Because he's [Gove's] so universally hated that i think he would then spectacularly lose any subsequent General Election.

In my view the terms of the Brexit deal are far more important than who we get in the next GE. Looking at the kind of noises that have come out of the Gove camp, ie Cummings, we want anyone but Gove. But then who's to say that someone else, eg May, might not be willing to settle for something equally barking?

'How does a man raised in Aberdeen speak like that?'

I know. There's barely a detectable Scottish burr. He's obviously taken tips from Lulu and Sheen Easton in how to erase your accent and piss off the Scottish people.

danmacgregor.wikia.com/wiki/Ernest_Penfold

Nope. I stand by my earlier assertion that Penfold is Boris. Just look at the way he fills his suit.

^Penfold is Danger Mouse's trusty assistant. He is called "The Jigsaw" because every time he is faced with a problem he goes to pieces.

He dislikes going on missions with DM and always makes excuses not to get involved.

He is sometimes used as a pawn for DM's enemies' schemes ...

I still have no idea who DM is though?

Have you seen this? It made me laugh, which is quite an achievement at the moment: the Brexit Plan

May is not going to settle for something barking.

A reluctant remainer who is committed to going out properly is probably the best person for the job at this point.

Gove is too unpredictable and far too reckless. And anti-intellectual.

How can I get a Canadian passport?

Have you tried calling the bomb disposal team?

Are you not a bit Irish? Nearly all English people are. We are a fecund bunch.

Owen Smith is MP for Pontypridd. I've mainly come across him in tweets about Pontypridd Rugby, but I'm told he's not a bad constituency MP. His resignation letter doesn't give me any indication of what he'd do instead but it's slightly less self serving than some.

Lulu, she's no Twink, is she?

My kids have already investigated their chances of an Irish passport. Sadly the paternal great grandparents aren't close enough!

Labour's John McDonnell's 5 conditions for Brexit deal

Our aim must be to ensure freedom of trade for the UK businesses in the EU, and freedom of trade for EU businesses in the UK.

Second: no EU citizen currently living or working in the UK will have their residency rights affected, and no UK citizen currently living or working in the EU will have their rights affected.

Third: existing protections at work, provided by the EU, must be maintained.

Fourth: the UK's role in the European Investment Bank should be maintained.

Fifth: rights of UK financial services and companies to win business across the EU must be maintained.

Any path through the negotiations that does not respect these guidelines will be liable to have severe consequences for jobs and protections at work.

So what's the difference between that and EU?

I think I have a suggestion on how to solve this for everyone. A rebranding exercise for the EU.

Ditch the flag and get a new one with a unicorn in the middle.
Do a fab advertising campaign about unicorns.
Call it the Electric Unicorn community
We could even give out free toy unicorns with The Mirror to sell the idea to the public.

Job done.
No need for a50.

I'm glad it's not just me who detected the slight Scottish burr in Gove's accent when he was making his speech earlier . Most odd.

I wish JC would stop mooching around like a morose geography teacher and piss off.

Oh, I see Hamish linked to the plan already. @Gove2016 is the official Twitter handle, but they didn't get @Gove2017 or @Gove2018!

Can we remember Gove's love and admiration for Tony Blair and the Iraq war?

It is not, however, on the domestic agenda that Mr Blair is facing his biggest challenge at the moment. It is over Iraq that he is in greatest difficulty politically. All because, as a Labour Prime Minister, he’s behaving like a true Thatcherite.

Indeed, he’s braver in some respects than Maggie was. The Falklands war took courage. But Thatcher had most of the country, and her party, behind her. In dealing with the Iraq crisis, Mr Blair has neither.

The Thatcherite approach to foreign policy isn’t to every Tory taste. The belief that dictators should be confronted, not coddled, America is there to be supported, not patronised, and the national interest includes maintaining our honour not just calculating narrow advantage, is deprecated by some Conservatives. They include a lot of clever people, from Matthew Parris to Chris Patten.

But if ever I’m tempted to think these Tories may perhaps have a point, I just look at who’s enraged by the Thatcherite stance that Mr Blair has adopted towards Iraq. Any policy that unites George Galloway, Vanessa Redgrave, Jacques Chirac, the Bishop of Oxford, George Michael and Piers Morgan in condemnation has to have something going for it. And Mr Blair’s policy has more than just the right critics. It has the merit of genuine moral force.

As the Prime Minister has pointed out, all those opposed to him have no solution to the problem of proliferating weapons of mass destruction, they offer no hope to the people of Iraq, they have no understanding of how much every tyrant and terrorist across the globe would rejoice if the West were to back down in the face of President Saddam Hussein’s brinksmanship.

My admiration for the Prime Minister’s bravery in making this case is, I have to add, only increased when I listen to the sneering condescension with which broadcasters treat Government policy on Iraq. Jeremy Paxman is just one of several who seem determined never to give the elected head of our Government the benefit of any doubt, cheerily mocking Mr Blair’s Christian beliefs and brazenly maintaining that the last inspections regime failed because of Western, not Iraqi, bad faith.

Might be interesting with Chilcot coming up.

Full article here keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/2010/03/18/tory-mp-michael-gove-did-actually-say-i-cant-fight-my-feelings-i-love-tony/

What about a flag that kept the blue background, but maybe a darker shade of blue.

Then, nobody likes yellow, so take off the stars and instead maybe some white crosses. If we had both diagonal and straight, it would have a bit of look of a star.

Two shades isn't really enough on a flag. Most European countries prefer a 3 coloured flag. So maybe on top of the white we could have some red crosses?

That would be a fine replacement Euroean flag.

Are you not a bit Irish? Nearly all English people are. We are a fecund bunch.

I'm not Irish enough. My Mum is. She's in the process.

My Dad however was born in Scotland and his mother was Scottish. We've traced her back to the MacGregor Clan. (Don't mess with me!)

If Scotland leave, I should have a good case for a Tartan Covered Passport.

That's if we can't abandon ship by another route, which we are already looking into. Its all under control in this house. I do, however, think I need to reconsider parts of the Zombie Apolycapse plan as I'm having a few doubts about it atm

Thanks for this thread. It's helping to keep me sane.

Not impressed with Corbyn one bit (and I'm Labout through and through)

Of the current contenders for the Tory throne - if I had to pick one - it would be Theresa May.

I've also learned something new - Gove being raised in Aberdeen. They don't seem to keen to reclaim him, can't think why....

Farage is probably passed out in a bar somewhere, still pissed after his "victory speech" in Brussels. Hopefully in a scummy dive bar toilet, next to the urinal where splash back is a regular occurrence.

He has been mercifully quiet. As has today generally, which is probably good for my blood pressure. Can't wait for Chilcot though.