If you voted leave, do you realise how much you've been lied to yet...

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....and how angry are you?

indy100.independent.co.uk/article/one-thing-we-learnt-from-boris-johnsons-column-today-and-8-things-we-didnt--WJf7NUCpCNZ

No. I'm afraid accepting what has happened is an impossibility when it's pretty clear no one knows what's going on. That isn't what I said. I said accept what has happened, the referendum result was what it was. What has or has not happened since is not down to the voters, but to the politicians who all seem to have spent the weekend in bed... maybe, if/when they all get back to work and stop with the shouting, they might remember to talk to each other and us...

I think it's pretty clear the country is going to be divided for a long while yet. Maybe you should work on learning to accept that? Why? Why should I accept that on persons pointless rant is any more important than my own? At least mine is a positive step, not prolonging useless division and anger just for the sake of it.

I understand the "stop complaining" part - it means no dissent is allowed to cloud the new horizon No. I have posted a lot before about what anyone can do... from lobbying MPs, MEPs, asking what can be done, to clarify the real legal situation. If you want to complain go ahead, but instead of blowing hot air and throwing hissy fits, find out what can be done, modified, stopped and how you can be part of that process.

I don't regret voting LEAVE either.

Fontella and Coma, just to be clear you voted to leave all of the following:

EU legislation
Single market
Free trade agreements
Free movement
British rights to live, travel, study and buy homes within EU
EU funding of deprived areas
EU funding of universities
EU funding of charities
EU agricultural subsidies
EU industrial subsidies

instead of blowing hot air and throwing hissy fits, find out what can be done, modified, stopped and how you can be part of that process.

How do you know what I have or haven't done ? And which is it, trying to get the result changed in some way is against the democratic will of The People but simply talking about it on MN is also not good enough?

I've already written to my MP. He's SNP so very sympathetic.

And voted Leave to have all the of the following:

Control on EU migration (maybe, unless the UK continues free movement agreement with the EU)
Laws only dependent on UK government (elected by non-proportional representation)
Independent deals as a single country with other world markets, in competition with the EU, next door neighbours.
Taxes to import and export to next door neighbours (maybe, unless trade agreements continue, but with contributions and no say where they are spent)

Second, some Leavers leaders not knowing exactly what to do with the result

I don't think they even know what the result is. What have they left? Everything? Or just bits? Most leavers seem to think they're just leaving bits including Boris.

They voted for political turmoil and economic uncertainty but don't seem to have a plan. Or they failed to notice the that those in charge of their choice had no plan.

If you read 'you' as the equivalent of the French 'vous' you, personally would get a better sense of what I meant. I don't know you, why would I comment on what you personally had or had not done... my post really wasn't all about 'tu'

a) I didn't say you had or had not done anything.

b) Trying to get the vote changed - well vos can try. It won't work. That isn't democratic. Try to vote for a legal and democratic way of overturning it or ameliorating it is a perfectly democratic thing to do... and hopefully will be done by m/any voter who is willing to put leur time where leur hot air is.

c) No. Simply talking about it here is not enough. Not if you, sorry, vos, really want to effect change. If vos want that, then get off vos hot air venting high horse and act more productively.

There are plenty of political avenues open to vos.

EU legislation
Single market
Free trade agreements
Free movement
British rights to live, travel, study and buy homes within EU
EU funding of deprived areas
EU funding of universities
EU funding of charities
EU agricultural subsidies
EU industrial subsidies

I was fully aware of the EU's bribes when I voted Leave, thank you.

I don't watch MSM, I researched and decided for myself.

However I do get why people are getting hysterical after watching the MSM in the last few days.

The MSM and particularly the BBC have been a disgrace, whipping up fear and crawling under rocks to find Shameless' Britains cliches.

I don't think its fair to say they had no plan. This is the plan so far and I for one think its brilliant:

What we need now is for someone to man the fuck up and start leading this country. What we also need is for remain voters to stop being part of the problem

Everything is fine, guys.

EU's bribes

Sigh

Auti the question was - what of that list did you vote to leave? Could you clarify?

1. The UK Economy will be fine. FTSE 100 and FTSE 250 are up nicely today.

.....er - have you seen the value of sterling??

Oh FGS. Yes, with sterling low, this is a great time for foreign investors to buy britain at a knock-down price.

"have you seen the value of sterling??"

And did you see what happened on Referendum Night when the City was trying to make money out of the Vote?

The £ was climbing against the $ before 10pm and then reached a high of $1.50 just after 10pm when a You Gove snap poll (not exit poll) but the REMAIN side at 52% to 48% they gambled on a Remain Win.

Then when the first declaration came in (Newcastle) and it was a remain win by just 1% it suddenly began to drop! Then when Sunderland declared as a massive Leave win they really panicked and the price dropped very quickly.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36648630?SThisFB

I voted to leave for far more.

The most important thing to me is that the EU is fundamentally anti democratic.
It's origins lie with American Committee on United Europe to '' to counter the Communist threat in Europe by promoting European political integration.'' after WW2.

Coil by coil the EU was killing people's and Government's freedom, stealthy step by step, using propaganda, bribes and legislation to achieve there goal.

If we had voted remain. I would have accepted it as the democratic will of the people because I actually believe in democracy and the rule of law.

However if that had come to pass, DH and I would have emigrated to a country outside of the EU, for the sake of our children.

whipping up fear and crawling under rocks to find Shameless' Britains cliches.
Unfortunately there are too many rocks and way too many Shameless Britain cliches under them, gagging for release.

Coil by coil the EU was killing people's and Government's freedom, stealthy step by step, using propaganda, bribes and legislation to achieve there goal.

I have someone who posts like this on my face book, they talk about chem-trails alot.

Yawn Breaking DAD

Your post is typical of people who have nothing to say but throw nasty rhetoric around or piss take.

Well Done :)

The only people killing freedoms etc is our elected government, wasting time on stuff like making face sitting illegal!

Ok you want serious -

EU has guaranteed many workplace rights that Tory governments who by their nature are pro business would not bring in at all. Priti Patel even said once we leave EU we can start cutting red tape and workplace rights to make business more profitable.

Yes. I feel sick to my stomach. Can't eat or sleep. I apologize 1000 over. I can't get over what I've done, I've tried to make it right by signing petitions and emailing M.P's.

BreakingDad

Did you mean to say fence-sitting?

Although face-sitting sounds much more plausible!

throwing pebbles i posted this thread on Saturday.

Among some of the responses i got (some of which were supportive) was "Are you serious"

and a patronizing comment about how i have no idea how an HAs financial set up works.

As usual tenants being treated like they are stupid.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2670383-EU-funding-for-housing-associations

Well no Auti the origins of the EU lie in the European experience of two World Wars, specifically the political conviction after WWII that:

1. War between European states should be avoided by all possible means
2. Diverse EU states caught between the two emerging superpowers of the US and the SU should become organised framework
3. Europe should move away from nationalism

It was Churchill who called for 'United States of Europe' in 1946. Out of The Hague Congress came the Council of Europe. And then on towards the Schuman Declaration etc..

So as regards your 'Leave' vote. You explicitly voted to leave the single market and trade agreements. In other words you voted against access to the single market with which we do over half our trade, to which our exports are 13% of our GDP.

You voted against the foreign investment and good jobs that come with single market membership. You voted against financial institutions' right to operate freely acorns the Euro.

What are your proposals for negotiating a new trade relationship with the EU?

Are you thinking of basing it on World Trade Organization rules, like the US? Which course that entails tariffs on good exports — up to 10% on car exports, for example, most of which go to the EU — as well as non-tariff barriers that stunt trade?