If you voted leave, do you realise how much you've been lied to yet...

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....and how angry are you?

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Every leave voter I've spoken to is a ray of optimism and light.

"What about the coming recession?"
"It'll be fine!"
"But recession hits the poor and vulnerable hardest."
"They'll be ffffiiiiiinnnee"
"So you're not worried at all?"
"YAY BRITAIN"

How long before they take their fingers out of their ear, uncover their eyes and pay attention to the shit storm we're now in the middle of? Assuming they have the level of intelligence to understand what it all means, which is a big assumption based on their reaction so far...

I've never though of leave voters as old, poor or stupid.

I just think of them as naive.

mother yes at our work I and others are frantically trying to find solutions to the shit storm that Brexit has unleashed. Trying to find ways to still deliver at least some of our projects which are all for the benefit of the poorest and most vulnerable.
Meanwhile I keep hearing a couple of leave voters huddled in a corner burying their heads in the sand muttering "it's just a temporary blip, just a blip"

I expect that the denial will continue, to a farcical level, until the fallout really can't be ignored anymore. At which point, quite suddenly, it will be acknowledged that There Are Problems and then it will All Be Remain's Fault.

What will happen is that eventually pensioners will look at their annual statements, and think "oh shit". At which point, the RW press - which at least in its paper version mainly sells to older people - will blame ... David Cameron and George Osborne.

You know, those two politicians who got themselves elected because people believed that they were a safe pair of hands, and that a Labour-LibDem-SNP coalition will wreck the economy.

They'll get away with it too, because so many otherwise clearly intelligent and articulate people (people like Milly on this thread) are utterly clueless about basic economics.

I never thought of them as stupid either, Goudy, until they started happy dancing all over social media and refusing to acknowledge that we're now up shit creek and no one seems to know what the fuck they're doing.

I'd have a lot more respect for them if they turned around and said "Ah, yes, I can see what you mean, but we knew this would happen. This is how we think it will end"

Of course they know they've been lied to, and many regret it. Otherwise why all the defensiveness about their vote?

MotherOfBleach I don't do Facebook, so happily I have missed the Happy Dance.

I'll add "deluded" to "naive" then.

As somebody who's spend over 7 years studying business studies, economics, economic history and accounting, I confident in my own research and make a decision.

Thats great joysmum. What did your research show you?

We truly are Schrödinger's Post-Factual Kingdom now.

The Leave voters are simultaneously the triumphant majority who deserve adulation, and the cowering masses utterly oppressed and terrorised by unkind comments of the minority. And, by the way, the bruising of feelings by angry and shocked words is exactly equivalent (no! worse!) than the actuality of throwing the country (and the world economy) into chaos .

The Leave majority must constantly remind Remain that they are the insignificant minority who have been vanquished, and yet Remain voters have such a power that their negative attitudes alone could set the Good Ship Titanic New Britain astray from its course.

Leave voters collectively know better than the government who wanted us to Remain, and yet they expected the same know-nothing government to actually sort out that complicated Leaving business for them. (See also Experts).

People who are upset by what's happened to this country and feel unwelcome should shut up and fuck off elsewhere instead of making up untruths about being abused, and yet they should stay and apply their effort and skills towards our glorious future.

£9 billion per year being paid to the EU is an outrageous sum being stolen from the people, but £8 billion lost to shareholders (that's us, folks) in one morning from RBS crash alone is insignificant. In fact, "nothing has happened".

The UK simultaneously has the greatest, bravest and most wonderful people on earth (well, as long as they're not of foreign origin), and yet is being brutally crushed and robbed, held back from its golden potential, by a bunch of cheese-eating surrender monkeys using the power of, um, stern words.

Leaving is a powerful and positive action to free us from undemocratic oppression, and yet we are going to take our sweet time and nobody can make us leave.

And never forget, nothing is happening and if anything does happen, it's not ever ever ever because of Brexit .

FTSE 100 - today's data and chart showing rises and falls over the last year:

Sorry it's a bit small, but I think we can all see that it has been much lower in Aug, Sept, Dec, Jan and Feb. All this stuff about "billions being wiped off" is just meaningless nonsense.

FTSE 100 isn't the best indicator of the UK economy though, is it? Multinationals that are globally based.

The FTSE 250 is more representative - and that's taken a right drubbing since Friday. It's bouncing up a bit today, but the stocks gaining are the stocks that have taken the biggest hits so far, so how much of that is speculators sensing a quick kill?

TheElementsSong
Yes.

There was a post at some point saying that the UK has clever people who'll make sure you'll all be fine out.
That's mostly the people who wanted in, doing the job for the less educated ones who voted Leave (look at demographics) and bright foreigners.

I also suspect that any bouncing back is because the markets are beginning to think that the Big Exit will never happen, or at least not anytime soon.

yy Elements, brilliantly observed.

I would love love love (100%) to be entirely wrong about all of this, I sincerely hope I am. No one wants the UK to fail do they? No one wants to fight with their friends, families, neighbours. That's a civil war and it has no happy ending. But head in the sand and "get over it" won't work, not yet, not in week 1.

I desperately want us all to get along; both in communities in the UK, and with other nations. I want us to be wealthy and not a poverty-stricken nation. I hope we bounce back damn hard.

But it's all sort of nebulous hope, and I'm not seeing any real reasons from experts or leaders as to how it will happen. Only time will tell I guess.

I wonder how many people are at work like me unable to concentrate today? I know people here are massively distracted, and that's another economic drain right there too. Right, off to do some stuff. I hope.

Most of the 'remainers' I know were disappointed on Friday, but are now completely back to normal & just going with the flow ( they accept democracy )
I honestly think the people who are still in shock & overly angry ( & many are ) have unresolved issues that have nothing to do with the referendum - & I don't mean that in a patronising way at all, maybe they're not used to losing & just can't handle it?

Surfer no not patronising at all. Maybe just a little lacking in empathy for people whose lives have been turned upside down by this? I mean, why would there be any effects - it just a game to be won or lost on one day .

And I'm (fortunately) one of those getting on with my life, so does that make me ok in your book, or do you also need me to STFU to not be a "sore loser" of this trivial game?

I honestly think the people who are still in shock & overly angry ( & many are ) have unresolved issues that have nothing to do with the referendum - & I don't mean that in a patronising way at all, maybe they're not used to losing & just can't handle it?

Or maybe we're looking at the economy and the country's leadership falling apart, and Brexit reneageing on promises hours after the results and thinking "Holy shit, what have they done?"

The economy is crashing. We don't appear to have anyone in charge. The people who campaigned for this have admitted that they have NO PLAN on how to fix it. Cuts and tax increases have been announced. Racism and xenophobia are on the rise. Jobs have already been lost. Billions wiped of the stock markets.

That's good reason to be angry and it''s not because we lost. This wasn't a game of monopoly FFS.

The thing most wrong with 'Project Fear' is that it pulled its punches. e.g It didn't explain to people that real manufacturing industries like Airbus would pull out that people expecting jobs from Hinkley Point could forget it.

TheElementsSong - but it's done, we voted out & that's it. How do you think we managed before the EU? we've only been in it 40 years which is nothing in the great scheme of things. I'm sure the majority of the leave voters felt they had nothing to lose by voting out, so if 17 million people felt like that something is going massively wrong.
We needed change.

Yes I was lied to by both sides in the run up to the vote. Just the same as any other election. I'm confident enough in my own intelligence to have made a decision despite the lies not because of them. In the full knowledge that there would be immediate financial implications. But in the longer term I think we will be glad to have jumped off a sinking ship.

TheElementsSong - but it's done, we voted out & that's it

Right-ho. We'll just get on with it then. I mean who gives a fuck about that little thing called the economy? It's not important anway. Leave won, Yay Britain. Happy Dance.

Leaders? Plans? Credit ratings? pfft. Red tape that's all that is.

Down with the EU. Up with tax. Go Brittania.

etc.

Fucking eejits.

okay homebythesea what is going to happen in the longer term that will make this worth it?

motherof bleach

The economy is crashing no it's not. We are mere days since the vote, markets are volatile. This was entirely predictable. It dies not mean the economy is crashing

We don't appear to have anyone in charge. - indeed, but let's get it right, which takes time (9 weeks- nothing in the scheme of things)

The people who campaigned for this have admitted that they have NO PLAN on how to fix it agreed, which illustrates how badly all,sides misread the electorate

Cuts and tax increases have been announced no they haven't. We will have a budget in the autumn as usual which will deal with things as they are then. FWIW we should pay more tax (and I say that as a top rate payer)

Racism and xenophobia are on the rise. - it was always there, a few incidents does not make a march of the Right

Jobs have already been lost. Billions wiped of the stock markets - see above re market volatility. And if anyone is making job cuts after a few days of a vote with uncertain practical outcome then their knee jerk reactions will only fuel the general hysteria

We will not be tied to an organisation that will move to a political union which is not workable. We will have proper political accountability in respect of all legislation that affects us. We will not be liable when the Eurozone collapses (yes indirectly). We will continue to trade with Europe and the wider world.

Summary of plan: Everybody STFU and pretend nothing's happening. Yup, that is definitely the plan.