If you voted leave, do you realise how much you've been lied to yet...

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....and how angry are you?

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'If the rest of the world is laughing at us right now, it's not because of the results of the vote.'

It absolutely is the reason.

Just a question to remain voters, did you think pre vote, if leave won, suddenly everything would be sorted out, a slick and sleek move to eject ourselves? You do know leave was a movement not a party?
I am wondering what people expected.

Brilliant post girlinacoma

I don't regret voting LEAVE either.

As I wasn't remotely swayed by anything said by either side in the campaign but instead used the knowledge gained from over a decade and a half of observing the EU institution and all it's machinations, I knew before the campaign even started how I would vote and nothing I heard/read/observed in the weeks leading up to the referendum changed my view .

For anyone who was swayed by some of the bullshit from both sides flying around and who now regrets voting/not voting/not doing their own research etc. I understand their dismay.

But for me personally, I am content with the way I voted. My only regret is that there was not a larger majority on either side and the country is now so divided.

Would I vote the same way again? Absolutely, but if I found myself on the losing side, I would accept it with good grace. It was one choice, one vote, one opportunity and more people took that opportunity to vote leave, than to remain. I just happened to be one of them.

I couldn't care less who is laughing or jeering or indeed cheering us on.

If only Leavers would become part of the solution if Remain had won.

or if Leavers (say, Farage and Boris) had been part of the solution when the UK was fully in the EU...

Nothing radical I just assumed someone in the Leave camp might have a plan of action in the case they won. I certainly did not expect that Michael Gove's wife would be asking advice on what to do next from her Facebook friends.

I think one thing became crystal clear and that was the EU was not going to reform, just have more EU.

How exactly do you propose that people who voted Remain become part of the solution? They do not want this situation...

Becoming part of the solution starts with accepting what has happened and stop shouting at the other half of the population - that's for both Remainers and Leavers

Remainers did not want this situation but the other half of the population did. No, don't tell me that Leavers were thick as short planks and hoodwinked. They were more or less thick than the Remainers were, degrees not being the only measure of intelligence, no more or less hoodwinked, politicians and pundits on both sides told their own versions of lots of truths, facts and figures.

We, as a country, can remain divided, one side shrieking at the other, in perpetuity, or we can all just shut the fuck up and get on with every day life... if the shit does hit the fan be on your feet, running rather than twiddling your thumbs saying 'I told you so!'.

You dont think they do?

I am sure most of them have plans and now they need to decide who is going to lead, whose plan is going to work the best.

Its a broad cross party campaign, i would like to see a new political party made up of sections of that with Gisela Stuart, Frank Field, some other labour MPS with Andrea Leadsom etc. Cool headed, pragmatic but over all human thinkers that actually listen to people and we can move forward.

Asprilla11 Just as we didn't believe the lie that the Remain camp made that every Household would be £4300 worse off and other 'Predictions' they made which independent people proved were impossible to predict. But Remain voters aren't shouting about those LIES, LIES!

Actually, that's from the Treasury analysis:

The central estimates – defined as the middle point between both ends of the range – for the annual loss of GDP per household under the three alternatives after 15 years are:

£2,600 in the case of membership of the European Economic area, like Norway
£4,300 in the case of a negotiated bilateral agreement like Switzerland, Turkey or Canada
£5,200 in the case of membership of the World Trade Organisation (like Russia or Brazil)

However, Leave has been less than honest about their claim that "UK sends £350 million a week to the EU" - that would be the figure without the £100 million a week rebate, which is applied immediately.

The UK Statistics Authority has said the EU membership fee figure of £19 billion a year, or £350 million a week, is "not an amount of money that the UK pays to the EU each year".

Not very truthful to plaster it all over a Big Red Bus and have it so central to the campaign.

No I think it's pretty clear they're floundering. Boris writes one thing in his Telegraph column yesterday, backtracks on it today. Gove would still appear to be in hiding.

No I think it's pretty clear they're floundering. Boris writes one thing in his Telegraph column yesterday, backtracks on it today. Gove would still appear to be in hiding.

'Becoming part of the solution starts with accepting what has happened'

No. I'm afraid accepting what has happened is an impossibility when it's pretty clear no one knows what's going on.

What we also need is for remain voters to stop being part of the problem (shouting and screaming, hurling abuse, trying to reverse the decision) and to start becoming part of the solution

We aren't part of the problem we are giving all kinds of solutions, reversing is one of them, as is holding a mini ref on your deal. Its pretty galling we are having to do all the hard sht*

'We, as a country, can remain divided, one side shrieking at the other, in perpetuity, or we can all just shut the fuck up and get on with every day life'

I think it's pretty clear the country is going to be divided for a long while yet. Maybe you should work on learning to accept that?

girlinacoma and others - Kindly tell me then, with actual instructions what Leavers want us all to do. I keep asking, but the only answer seems to be that we don't deserve an answer because "I don't like your attitude, young lady" or else a list of Abstract Nouns.

I understand the "stop complaining" part - it means no dissent is allowed to cloud the new horizon. But what does "become part of the solution" mean? You want us to dissolve like sugar in a hot mug of tea?

I think Elements its the talking ourselves into recession attitude, A poster yesterday said she was going to protest and stop spending money, stop her house move.

In protest against the vote, no other reason

girlinacoma these are wise words. I have had a similar experience and am saddened by the vitriol I have seen here and elsewhere.

Remainers might take a pragmatic view and accept the vote and work together to find a practical way through this

Yes we'll talk ourselves into a recession. That's how it works!

It's the Leavers that are creating the problems.
One, people regretting their votes.
Second, some Leavers leaders not knowing exactly what to do with the result.

And it's funny how it will be the people in higher positions and with higher educational levels, as well as those in work (younger) who will have to make it work, when it seems that among those groups most people voted Remain.
They should do like DC and tell Leavers to sort their own mess.

Remainers are talking about how we might navigate EEA membership etc leavers are whining about being called racist - or am i getting it wrong.

BreakingDad77

I think that is about right. Which explains a lot and agrees with the demographics.

No. That's pretty much the state of things BreakingDad.

I think Elements its the talking ourselves into recession attitude, A poster yesterday said she was going to protest and stop spending money, stop her house move.

Ah thank you CarpetBagger, an answer of sorts!

1. Again this is saying STFU.
2. Leave are the triumphant majority when it suits (telling Remainers to STFU). When it comes to literally putting your money where your mouth is, we suddenly remember that the margin was rather small, and you need everyone on board to have faith in Project Glorious Brexit
3. During a period of uncertainty (leaving aside job losses, stock market collapse and other such minor annoyances) would you be otherwise telling people to spend copious sums of money?
4. It's a poster's own business to spend her money or not as she sees fit.
5. So in summary if being part of the solution involves me pissing away family savings when I don't know whether we'll have our jobs in the next few years - sorry.