To not be able to speak to my near neighbours who voted leave?

[TooMuchCoffeeMakesMeZoom]

My children's future has been put at stake. Our economy risks ruin. Our relatively -well-off neighbours in a place with nearly full employment and very low recent immigration (local care companies and NHS are desperate for staff) have voted leave. They are only around fifty.

I'm gobsmacked.

The irony is that the small business they are in is affected by the growth of China as an economic powerhouse. So why on earth do they feel that leaving the EU gives them more power? It gives them less.

I am so angry and feel so let down by my country. These people, and people like them ahem destroyed my hopes for a continued peace in Europe.

How on earth am I expected to talk to them on an equal footing, knowing what they have done through their own greed?

[MangoMoon]

Springing: Leavers are the internationalists who wish to trade with the whole world.

Bumbledumb: That statement is completely unfounded and patently false based on what we have heard from many leavers on their reasons for voting.

Correction:
Based on what you have heard from the leavers hand picked to fit the agenda of most leavers are racist & ill informed.

Over 17 million people voted to leave.
I am not aware that there is a definitive list anywhere that specifies the reason of each of those 17 million.

Perhaps you could direct me to one?
Or are you just repeating the fallacy until it becomes the new truth?

[AppleSetsSail]

'Leavers are racists' is getting incredibly tired. Oh no, all these white people might have to get work permits and visas like all the brown and black people who come to the UK.

Bumberdumb did you see that the president of the EU has banned member states from speaking with the UK? Maybe leavers want the UK to be rid of this fascist?

[BoulevardOfBrokenSleep]

"Leavers hand-picked to fit the agenda"

Wow, my family, social circle, and the people I spoke to on doorsteps, were hand-picked to fit the Remain agenda? That's a pretty deep conspiracy.

Why don't you step out of your comfortable bubble and listen to the concerns of real people?

[TulipsInAJug]

Actually, polls show that the top reason people had for voting Leave was democracy. Not immigration.

Democracy was my reason for voting Leave. Immigration didn't come into it for me, really, as it doesn't affect me personally. There were bigger reasons for wanting out.

[AppleSetsSail]

Wow, Boulevard, your experience is exactly the opposite of mine. Am I not a real person?

[Riverwalk10]

the president of the EU has banned member states from speaking with the UK?

But you see, AppleSetsSail, this is what Bumber believes is democracy! Any amount of arm-twisting is fine so long as it's for a cause she believes in.

And if you state an untruth often enough .... A lie told often enough becomes the truth. (That's Lenin).

[wordgirl]

I've posted this on another thread already but I think it needs to be more widely seen

[MangoMoon]

"Leavers hand-picked to fit the agenda"

Wow, my family, social circle, and the people I spoke to on doorsteps, were hand-picked to fit the Remain agenda? That's a pretty deep conspiracy.

Why don't you step out of your comfortable bubble and listen to the concerns of real people?

What on earth do the people you know & have personally spoken to have to do with any agenda?

I'm talking about the stereotypes that are being wheeled out & given blanket, disproportionate coverage to in the media.

What are the concerns of the 'real people'?
Well, the results of the referendum have answered that question.

[StrictlyMumDancing]

What are the concerns of the 'real people'?
Well, the results of the referendum have answered that question.

All the results have shown is that people have concerns and most voters think leaving the EU will help solve them, not anything on what they actually are. But that's the problem with a simple binary question.

[louisagradgrind]

Wordgirl: that video certainly needs to be more widely seen!

What a pile of blue bollocks!

It was racist ( a black guy doing some sort of body jerking/ a Turk with a scimitar/ a Chinese man like a low rent Kung Fu movie extra)

It engendered fear.

It shows how Europe won't be happy until it is the byword for The World.

Appalling tripe. Actually, so bad I wonder if they made it or if it was made by those who want out. Surely they didn't commission it themselves!

If they did...they have lost the plot. Why should we tremble with jerks like that in charge!

[wordgirl]

It's offensive on just about every level isn't it? To be fair the EU did withdraw it but to even think it was a good idea in the first place beggars belief.

[louisagradgrind]

So racist! The Turk, The Chinese and The African are all aggressive but one look from the European and they are instantly tamed and sit at its feet. Lo, they are civilised!

A bit like a dog handling video. Racist and nasty. Really horrible.

[ExitPursuedByBear]

Good fucking grief.

That video is ...................

Actually I am speechless.

[TriniRedVelvet]

Even I am shocked by that video, and very little shocks me. I'm also deeply offended.

[MangoMoon]

Video is horrendous!

[Schwabischeweihnachtskanne]

Is that video actually genuine? Its just on youtube... is there anything to show it is genuinely from the EU commission?

I put the web address at the end of the video in and it did take me to the EU commission website but there are no videos, its all dry documentation - "Together We're Stronger" on the EU commission website brings up stuff about combating rate diseases by working together, and the entry criteria for countries wanting to join.

[Just5minswithDacre]

Is that EU video genuine?

[Schwabischeweihnachtskanne]

It appears it is genuine but from 2012...


www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/9126457/EU-withdraws-106000-racist-propaganda-video.html

European Commission officials were forced moved to pull the film from YouTube on Tuesday after thousands of complaints that the video promoted “imperialism” and “stereotypes” rather than the EU’s “neighbourhood” policy.

Stefano Sannino, the official in charge of the Commission’s enlargement and neighbourhood policy, insisted that the film, targeting 16 to 24-year olds, had been well received by target audiences and focus groups.

“The clip featured typical characters for the martial arts genre: it started with demonstration of their skills and ended with all characters showing their mutual respect, concluding in a position of peace and harmony. The genre was chosen to attract young people and to raise their curiosity on an important EU policy,” he said.

But following many complaints, Mr Sannino said that, despite the €127,000 production cost, the two minute video would be axed.

“The clip was absolutely not intended to be racist and we obviously regret that it has been perceived in this way,” he said.

“We apologise to anyone who may have felt offended. Given these controversies, we have decided to stop the campaign immediately and to withdraw the video.”

[ExitPursuedByBear]

Actually, I think I am more shocked that the EU commission website lists the criteria for countries wishing to join.

Like it is just one big club.

Oh, hang on a minute

[Schwabischeweihnachtskanne]

ExitPursuedByBear why are you surprised about that? The economic and legal criteria a country has to meet in order to join the European Union are in the public domain - should they be secret? What do you mean about being a club? The United Nations also has criteria for joining on its website.

[louisagradgrind]

What is really shocking is that 16-24 year olds received such racist muck, 'well'.

That video really needs a thread of its own so that the EU's superior attitude towards other races can be seen. How awful that they think the European can tame other races and,to boot, show two of those other races half naked!

it really did remind me a dog training video and my first thought was that it was a tasteless spoof.

[louisagradgrind]

Schwab.

What do you think of the video and would you want your country to belong to such a club?

[Schwabischeweihnachtskanne]

louisa the video is indefensible obviously. I assumed it was a fake. That is why I googled about - assuming I'd find an article about it being just that.

[TriniRedVelvet]

As a brown Caribbean person living here for 12 years I've been subjected to racism time and again. And I'm not the only one. Outrage at racism seems to manifest only at mistreatment of non coloured Europeans.

[MangoMoon]

Agree Trini.

Racism is always bubbling, and it's atrocious.
It is everyone's job to face it, call it out & fix it whenever or wherever you come across it.

At the moment though, it appears as though white plight is of paramount importance - racism is suddenly at the very top of the agenda now that white people are affected.