To not be able to speak to my near neighbours who voted leave?

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My children's future has been put at stake. Our economy risks ruin. Our relatively -well-off neighbours in a place with nearly full employment and very low recent immigration (local care companies and NHS are desperate for staff) have voted leave. They are only around fifty.

I'm gobsmacked.

The irony is that the small business they are in is affected by the growth of China as an economic powerhouse. So why on earth do they feel that leaving the EU gives them more power? It gives them less.

I am so angry and feel so let down by my country. These people, and people like them ahem destroyed my hopes for a continued peace in Europe.

How on earth am I expected to talk to them on an equal footing, knowing what they have done through their own greed?

Mango: do not stand to near to the edge.

If someone comes by who voted differently to you, you may panic, shake and then fall in. Try not to shout out as you plunge downwards. They may think that you are trying to start a conversation with them and they won't know how to respond.

Do you want that social faux pas on your conscience as you hurtle downwards?

You've made me proper lol Louisa!
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there would be threads like this if remain won with all the fears of the EU and how it would get even worse after a vote to remain.

This is democracy in action. You got the result you didn't want. But you had a choice, a vote. This is the whole crux of it all.

Actually, I sympathise. As a remainer, I've accepted that the democratic vote didn't go my way. Some leavers I do think were ill-educated about the potential consequences, others did so for reasons I can kind of understand. But will I stop talking to my friends/neighbours/family members who voted leave? No. Because that way lies fascism - the 'anyone who disagrees with me must automatically be wrong' kind of mentality.

There are a few people I am unable to speak to because of this referendum, including some neighbours and relatives. Not because of the result - this isn't about gloating or sore losing - in fact I felt this way before we knew the outcome. Nor is it about generalising about and demonising the other side. It's because discussions about the referendum has unearthed some things I didn't know about the people concerned, that have made me see them in a new light. Things which I wish I hadn't learnt, and I can't unlearn. Things which probably, if the people were strangers, would be enough to stop us from ever being friends. Frankly speaking I would never choose to be friends with people who expressed unpleasant racist and xenophobic sentiments, but now I find I am related to some, and live next door to others. It is disappointing and shocking. I'm not sure how long I will feel this way. But for now, I don't want to speak to them.

stickystick perfectly put. I am struggling with the xenophobics around me. I can deal with accepting the result. But accepting them and their awful views really not sure to be honest.

Never thought I would ever say this but the sight of a St George flag is starting to make my stomach really turn. Can't stand the sight of it right now amongst the streets of UK.

Dumb, dumb people.

Reports just now is AAA credit rating has just been stripped from the UK. I will laugh at Leavers when it starts to fall apart for them - what the f have you done.

I genuinely do t understand why being part of the EU is seen by many remainers as a badge of tolerance and a lack of racism. Nationalism is on the rise across Europe. France looks likely to elect National Front leader Marine Le Pen as president next year. The nationalist prime minister of Poland backs a total ban on abortion, and her Vice President Said they shouldn't accept any Muslim immigrants "to prevent any Polish babies being blown up". Leaders in Hungary and Slovakia talk about defending a “Christian culture” against Muslims and foreigners. Nationalist parties are on the rise in Austria and Germany. How does membership of a union with these countries make us more tolerant and accepting?

^^ This.

louisa

Never thought I would ever say this but the sight of a St George flag is starting to make my stomach really turn. Can't stand the sight of it right now amongst the streets of UK

How often have you seen that flag in Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland, I wonder? It's normally only displayed in England.

blue

Just think of it like a divorce.

there will be adjustments....if money is split its less...but then usually brighter pastures beckon and everyone moves on.

Reports just now is AAA credit rating has just been stripped from the UK.

By whom? The dictatorship of the EU?

They have a right to choose who they want to vote for just like you did. That's why it's a REFERENDUM and some people would call you an idiot too... About 52% of the country.

The UK lost its triple aaa credit rating in 2013, as well. We did not panic. It came back.

The stock market has fallen a little but it was lower in February.

It's not ideal but it will bump up and down and then settle or don't you believe the Governor of The Bank of England.

Already Angela Merkel is flexing her dictatorship muscles, as a threat to any other EU members wishing to follow in Britain's footsteps.

I bet you believed him when he was forecasting plagues of locusts and boils!

Never thought I would ever say this but the sight of a St George flag is starting to make my stomach really turn. Can't stand the sight of it right now amongst the streets of UK.

I'm a Brexiter so am extremely thick & easily led, but someone told me that there was a football tournament on somewhere.

I don't know if this was a lie or not, but as a Brexiter I swallow lies & believe them, but I was also led to believe that the St Georges Cross is often on display all over the shop during these times.

comments taken on board. The flags I am seeing suddenly increased where I live, people I know put theirs up and they are not euro football fans. They are the ones who I mention are voicing their views on 'immigrants' and that 'they need to go home'.

Yes I meant flags in England - not in Scotland, Wales, Ireland. And yes they are making me feel ill. I am a big football fan myself and do not feel proud to see this flag at the moment.

Yeah - extremely thick Brexiters. Wont ever change my mind about that one.

Yeah - extremely thick Brexiters. Wont ever change my mind about that one

Yet you can't tell the difference between the St George's Flag for England, and not the streets of the UK.
Okay then

I actually think you are extremely thick. There - I've said it. Such a weight off my shoulders

Oh, and BTW - you do realise that St George was not actually English, and never even set foot on British soil? So your argument can't even stand proud on that point. (I believe he was Turkish, but stand to be corrected). He certainly was not English.

YABU. This is a democratic country and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I vote to remain as did a lot of my colleagues but a lot of my family voted to leave especially those who voted to not join in the first place. I am disappointed but that's life. I am not going to stop talking to them just because they have an opinion.

Blueflowers, Scotland aren't playing in the Euros - perhaps that's why the saltire is not as abundant on the streets?

YANBU. Your neighbours are better off if you never speak to them again. You don't seem like a very nice person.

duh, just speaking generally. You know what I meant, The St George flag, displayed up and down the country. Excluding Scotland/Ireland/Wales.

the people displaying the flag are the ones who choose to display that flag for some reason or other. English people.

Well done for saying it back. Does not change the way I feel in any shape or form. Brexiters in my mind are pretty thick, and if Boris gets voted in by you all then that would really be the thickest icing on that crumbling cake.

S'ok Blueflowers, the flags will probably be coming down now.

England are out.

You can leave the smelling salts at home when you venture out next.

MangoMoon Mon 27-Jun-16 21:27:40

thick, easily lead and with a desire for un suitable shoes

why am i not a very nice person?!? Because I cant stand my friends and neighbours telling me its time to get the foreigners out and displaying their flags everywhere?

Stand by everything I said.