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LouisePe · 19/04/2023 05:42

My son is currently 2 and we are looking into independent schools/nurseries for him. We are definitely not wealthy, more a middle class background and several friends/family have expressed that he would grow up 'out of touch with reality' going to school with wealthy pupils in private schools.

I am wanting him to attend from 4-18 (potentially the same school the whole way through) so am looking for similar experiences- how do you keep your children grounded when surrounded by pupils who are wealthy? Out of school clubs/sports etc? I want to give him this education but also want to raise a well rounded child who understands his privilege and that others aren't always as fortunate.
I'm also unsure about one school the entire way through - has anyone had experiences with this and DC coping ok with not having new friends/transitions from primary to secondary etc?

Sorry for the long post and appreciate any responses! :)

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LouisePe · 19/04/2023 06:55

@BendingSpoons @Heatherbell1978 Thanks so much for your replies. I absolutely agree, the private schools we are considering range from £8k - £14k depending on year levels. I'm not talking about exclusive inner London schools.
I plan on being an involved, nurturing parent, I just did not want my son entering an environment others had painted such negative pictures of.
I didn't realise creating a post looking for some support would generate so much negativity on this site.

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Heatherbell1978 · 19/04/2023 06:59

AuContraire if it makes you feel any better there are genuine reasons we're taking this path which hasn't been a decision we've made lightly. I would love to be comfortable sending my kids to the local state school but it's rapidly going downhill and at the same time Covid has caused lots of gaps in my sons education as well as his confidence. We can afford it so why wouldn't we do the best we can for him? I know families who aren't particularly well off but will scrape together £10k for a Disneyland holiday to Florida. I'd rather spend that on school fees and spend a week in a caravan. Each to their own. I do think there's a misconception that if you send your kids to private school you're sons kind of raving Tory!

LouisePe · 19/04/2023 06:59

Thanks so much for those who gave given supportive replies so far.
Just clarifying I do not have negative beliefs about the private system creating spoilt children with no sense of reality- I am in fact excited at the prospect of being able to give my son this opportunity. I was just looking for some experiences as these were things said to me by others when I shared we were looking into private education.

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Heatherbell1978 · 19/04/2023 07:05

LouisePe · 19/04/2023 06:59

Thanks so much for those who gave given supportive replies so far.
Just clarifying I do not have negative beliefs about the private system creating spoilt children with no sense of reality- I am in fact excited at the prospect of being able to give my son this opportunity. I was just looking for some experiences as these were things said to me by others when I shared we were looking into private education.

I live in a city where lots of children are private educated and there will always be the ones who are arseholes! But the children I know who go to the private schools all live in 'normal' houses and have 'normal' parents so it does seem that there can also be a pretty wide spectrum of children at these schools as well although granted not with the same diversity you'll see at a state school. It very much depends on their parents and upbringing!

parrotonmyshoulder · 19/04/2023 07:09

Views are always polarised on this issue and often rooted in different prejudices, not experience.
We are not independently wealthy, but work in reasonably paid full time jobs. Our children have ended up in private secondary school due to being utterly failed by the LA SEND system and the only available state secondary.
There are sacrifices to our lifestyle and future plans. The only other option would have been home education, which would have meant me giving up my public sector job.
The private school we have chosen (the one we could afford and that was geographically accessible) is tiny, a bit old fashioned, and not selective. It is not perfect but has enabled my children to be as healthy as possible.
My children remaining in state school (where they wouldn’t have been attending due to massive failings) would not have made state schools better for anyone else.

OP, you have no way of knowing how things will turn out for your child. Pick a school you can manage financially and be prepared to change things if needed. I would say that, unless your state options are really poor (and likely to remain so - schools can change so quickly), state primary might be sensible and save your money for secondary.

Cleoforever · 19/04/2023 07:27

Heatherbell1978 · 19/04/2023 06:46

To be fair the fees for private school vary widely across the country and aren't all 'tens of thousands'. Where I am you're looking at £12k a year for top performing schools. We're planning to send ours for final years of primary and secondary. We're not 'wealthy' but also not struggling so it is affordable with some sacrifices that we're willing to make. We've never been an extravagant family anyway so we're happy to carry on in that way.
I haven't even considered that they wouldn't grow up 'grounded'. I'm state school educated and DH private at a very exclusive boys school and he's not (thankfully) a privileged twat! I'm a total leftie to be honest so my kids are made very aware of their privilege.

Where are you that secondary is £12k a year for a top performing private??

Cleoforever · 19/04/2023 07:28

I'm a total leftie to be honest

you really aren’t if you’re sending your children to private school! 😂

ProudToBeANorthener · 19/04/2023 07:32

Our children are privately educated and we are definitely not wealthy. They missed out on foreign holidays, lots of clothes, expensive toys and wads of cash in their pockets as a consequence. Their education gave them small class sizes, access to a wider range of GCSE/A Level choices, lots of extra curricular activities and a wide friendship circle from many backgrounds not just super wealthy. Many families were like us, very lucky to be able to do this. If you don’t send your child(ren) to private school will you still fight to get them into the best local state schools? Probably, and that’s a good thing because you care. Our children are well aware of how privileged they are; it hasn’t made them arrogant but it has widened their horizons. In the current climate what I would caution is to think about their charitable status. We could not have done what we did if fees had hiked overnight.

YellowGreenBlue · 19/04/2023 07:38

My kids are at state secondary, but one of them attended a private primary for a couple of years for complicated reasons.

To be honest, it wasn't as different from a state school as you might expect. A mixture of parents, some with inherited money, some self made, some who weren't very wealthy and were working hard and making sacrifices to pay the fees. And the after school provision was indeed very useful!

MiddleAgedAndExhausted · 19/04/2023 07:53

@Cleoforever Many Scottish private schools are around this price.

Tiredalwaystired · 19/04/2023 07:54

May have already been said, but why not mix and match - state school when young, private when older? Then there is the mix of experience if that’s what you want.

Again I’ve not read the whole thread but are the state schools near you particularly poor? Is there a good reason why it would be private all the way?

As you don’t consider yourself wealthy this would be a good compromise.

CurlewKate · 19/04/2023 07:57

@Emanresu9 "Your friends expressed concerns that he would grow up without aspiration and he wouldn’t end up all rounded if he didn’t take the private school route." Mumsnet is overflowing with people saying EXACTLY that!!

ittakes2 · 19/04/2023 08:04

Actually in my personal circle its the people who attended private schools who have less ambition and have not gone as far in their careers.
I have one twin in private and the other twin with in government - the twin in government has had a better education.
Put your money into a house near a good government school.

Emanresu9 · 19/04/2023 08:07

@CurlewKate I don't see that - but if it happens I'm absolutely certain the poster would be pounced on!!

LadyRoughDiamond · 19/04/2023 08:11

I don’t think this will be a big issue. If you were looking at one of the country’s top public boarding schools (Marlborough, Rugby, etc at £40k a year) then yes, all of the pupils will be immensely privileged. If, however, you’re considering a small, local private school you’ll probably encounter children from a mix of backgrounds. Some will be from wealthy homes, some will be less so with both parents working and budgeting to afford the fees, others can only afford it because grandparents are paying. Also, there will be a number of children of staff or those with bursaries that pay lower fees.

SaltyGod · 19/04/2023 08:21

Our kids go to private school and I can't relate to your friends' concerns. It's an old and well regarded but mixed and varied school, some people with inherited wealth, others who have grandparents pay, lots of normal people with normal jobs (GPs, carpenter, tech, restaurant owner, runs own business, vet, farmer) It's ethnically as mixed or more as the wider area and I've not noticed any snobbery at all.

Once the fees are paid there is very little extra to cover apart from uniform which everyone gets second hand if they can (queues at the shop when it opens) and musical tuition which is very reasonable. Parties are the usual soft play / trampoline / magician in the village hall type, no one drives a Bentley although there is an occasional Porsche or classic car. School drop off is a mix of mums, dads, grandparents and nannies. It's just a lovely and relaxed place with happy children and parents.

Good luck with making a decision that works for you.

Legoninjago1 · 19/04/2023 08:26

So many threads like this on MN and it's such a myth. Mine have been privately educated since nursery and there are families from all walks of life, from those who live in tiny terraced houses and stick at one child so they can afford to pay, to enormous gated country piles where money is no object. The reality is that most are in the middle - they certainly do not have money to burn but they're comfortable and they just prioritise education. We have very few mums in our two year groups who don't work for example. They can only manage it with both parents working. That's the norm. So whilst better off than a lot of the country in these shitty times, they are not so wealthy that you'd have to worry about your child living in some weird alternative reality. .

carriedout · 19/04/2023 08:26

It's an old and well regarded but mixed and varied school

All private schools are socially exclusive. Of course there is variety amongst the group that attend, but it is a narrow group nonetheless.

There is no point pretending private schools are socially inclusive, they are intended to be socially exclusive as they require either a certain amount of money or narrowly defined social capital to access them.

carriedout · 19/04/2023 08:27

there are families from all walks of life There really are not.

anniz91 · 19/04/2023 08:30

Sorry but why is this mother getting so much shit for sending her kid to private school?

Let's face it if you had the money to spend wouldn't you do it? If you say no then clearly you are fooling yourself...

Whatever you decide is best for your child do it... jealousy is an ugly thing and your never gonna get an "honest" opinion!

Cleoforever · 19/04/2023 08:32

MiddleAgedAndExhausted · 19/04/2023 07:53

@Cleoforever Many Scottish private schools are around this price.

My children prep £5950 per term per child

south east

WinterDeWinter · 19/04/2023 08:33

“Don’t make this a class issue.”
ofc it’s a class issue

PlaygroundPariah · 19/04/2023 08:33

Even though your child is only 2, I’d advise you to start visiting schools now. Popular prep schools (at least in our area) have waiting lists from birth (bonkers).

Go and look - you’ll really get a feel for each as you walk around. Some preps are more “elite” than others. Some will be judging you as much as you’re judging them (taken from firsthand experience).

Don’t get too bogged down in choosing a school that goes all the way to 18. You have no idea who your child will grow up to be yet. Some of the reasons we chose our prep school (small, family feel) have started to work against us now. My DS (end of Y6) has totally outgrown it. With hindsight, the classes are actually too small from the perspective of friendship group dynamics - it’s co-Ed so relatively few boys who frankly aren’t particularly nice kids in the main. I think that experience is probably relatively unique to us. We’ve just been unlucky with the class dynamic. But something to keep in mind.

Having said the above, keep in mind your own aspirations for your child. Are you hoping for an academic focus? Or is pastoral care your priority? We were laser focussed on the 11+ so our first priority was to choose a school which would support that. Schools that go to either 13 or 18 often (by their own admission) won’t focus on 11+ preparation as they’re simply not motivated to do so.

Our school isn’t particularly “elite” from a wealth perspective. It’s my perception that there are other prep schools in the area with much higher wealth per capita! I think that might have something to do with the fact our school goes to 11 and its USP is 11+ prep. Perhaps a greater proportion of parents are therefore focussed on grammar entry (perhaps as they don’t want/aren’t able to afford the higher private secondary school fees). When younger, my DS occasionally came out with a couple of questions which horrified me … “why don’t we have a swimming pool?” And “why don’t we have a villa in Marbella”…. That sort of thing. Which I shut down immediately. My kids know they’re incredibly fortunate. So you should be prepared for some inevitable comparison. Kids say what they see! If I’m being totally honest, I do think my DCs lead an incredibly sheltered life and are out of touch - they have no perspective on how some families really struggle (despite my best efforts to ground them).

The main negative I’ve found with private school is the shocking sense of entitlement from some of the parents (and therefore their DCs). I knew there’d be an element of that but it runs much deeper than I anticipated. It’s incredibly clique-y (mums who lunch and gym) - if your face fits, you’re golden. If not, then not so much.

That said, the pros massively outweigh the cons. I can’t fault the education my children are receiving. Without a doubt they are well ahead of their peers at state primary schools. Beyond that, the opportunities are endless…. music, clubs, trips…. It turns out that both are really musical (a throwback gene we think!) and I’m not sure we’d ever have known that without the opportunities offered at their school. All of these things bring invaluable confidence.

Even though our experience hasn’t been overwhelmingly positive, I’m still an advocate of private education and I don’t wish we’d done it differently. No school is perfect and whether it be state or private, there’ll be people who just aren’t your people!

So go visit as many as possible, ask current parents for their honest views and go with your gut.

MintJulia · 19/04/2023 08:35

OP, I honestly don't think it makes much difference.

My ds went to state primary and now independent senior. He had no issue integrating, Be clear what you want to achieve. My ds has a 'maths head' and by year 5 he was bored and miserable at primary because they weren't meeting his needs.
He goes to a small non-selective rural independent now with a strong maths dept. He attends council swimming classes and a local karate club. He has friends in all settings.
But he's challenged and happy. On track for gcse 9s in maths & three sciences.

TheaBrandt · 19/04/2023 08:35

We have this not through choice. Dd14 at state but socialises with the private school set - the wealth is jaw dropping. The teens are all similar though and don’t seem to care who lives where. I’m

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