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poor relationship with adult son

221 replies

Notsossuperdad · 07/07/2023 09:00

I would appreciate some advice as to what to do about the estranged relationship with my adult son. He is 25 years of age.

Four years ago I left his Mum, my wife of 28 years, for my now wife of 2 years. We had a six month affair which I am not proud of. My affair shocked everyone including myself my exwife and my son. He was in his last year of university when I left. I purposely waiting until then to leave to protect him from witnessing it.

From the moment he knew about the affair he has refused to talk to me other than when I first left and that was to tell me how disgusting I am to treat any woman let alone his mother with such disrespect and our family like old furniture to throw on the bonfire. At first I was angry. at his reaction and betrayal. I was so happy in my new relationship that I could not imagine he would not come round and reallythought he would so stood my ground. I had stayed in a marriage where felt unappreciated for years and felt this was my time now after sacrificing staying for him. I tried to tell him that but he accused me of blaming him for not being man enough to try and sort things out or leave in a decent way. My exwife also refused to speak to me other than on the unavoidable logistics needed to separate a life of 30 years. That left me heartbroken. I know that sounds a ridiculous thing to say but I really dont think I realised that deep down I still loved her deeply. She was my childhood sweetheart and I still remember the first time I saw her. I could never have feelings that profound for anyone else and we have a bond that can never be broken or replaced. I have only just come to that realisation after 2 years of therapy. I should of spoken up sooner and tried to change things but I was too distracted by having something new and exciting and a person that made me feel special. I see now through therapy that validation is a key need for me. Instead I let that upset turn to anger and we entered the usual vicious divorce battle.

My now wife treats me how I wanted my exwife to. She is affectionate and shows every day that she appreciates me and is always making an effort. I lam trying to be to her what I should have been to my exwife. Maybe if I had been different to her we would still be together and I do not want another divorce.

As to my son I have tried to reach out by sending cards and the odd text. At first he would reply to my texts to tell me to respect his decision and leave him alone and he will contact me if he changes his mind. Now he just point blank ignores them. I am so upset by his continued rejection I find it hard to carry on. I do not know what is going on in his life which is so difficult. I reached out recently to my exwife a few months ago for help. She was actually civil and said that she understands my sadness but that this is something he and I need to sort out and whatever I think she has not encouraged him to not speak to me. I believe her I think. At first I thought she was behind him not or at least encouraging it but my brother sees my son still and says its very clear it is his choice. He will not tell me anything as my son has asked him not to and he feels he must respect that. My current wife and her family are not so sure and think my exwife is behind it and that my brother is being disloyal. For a long time I became embroiled in that and almost found comfort in sessions where we would demonise and critique my exwife. Some days I feel ashamed at doing that and have a need to hug her and just say I am sorry. Others I still blame her. I think my exwife and son think I have just ran off without a care in the world. that is so far from the truth.

I would appreciate some advice and especially from those of you that have been left having to support a child that feels let down on what to do next. I do not think my son will ever accept my new life and I would settle for just the two of us having contact. My wife is not happy that he looks down on her so I am always in conflict as if I show too much sympathy for his view it upsets her. To avoid that I do a lot of my grieving privately. She is very clear that she would welcome my son if he wanted to be a part of her life but i think deep down him not being suits her because of his views about her. For me it is not his say what i do. My brother said my son told him he cannot see how my wife and I think it is okay to openly celebrate our relationship and put it on a pedestal even though it has wrecked his and mine. I see his point but what can I do? I generally try and keep things quiet as I am more introvert and I do not want to do anything to make things worse. But my wife is very active on social media and makes lots of posts about our life like our holidays, engagement party, wedding, honeymoon etc. her view is that my son is an adult and needs to either not look or get a grip. I see her point too which makes this very tricky. I feel like I am walking a tightrope.

My wife and i are also trying for a baby. She is a fair bit younger than me and understandably wants a child. I fear that if I cannot build sone form of bridge with my son before that happens it will definitely never be repaired so am keen to try and do so as soon as possible.

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Wiglio · 07/07/2023 09:07

It’s all about you isn’t it.

RedHelenB · 07/07/2023 09:09

There's no magic wand. All you can do is see what happens in the future. I'm guessing you weren't quite the great dad in your sons eyes as you think you were.

Holly60 · 07/07/2023 09:20

No, this can't be real.

Trainsplanesandfeet · 07/07/2023 09:22

I’m with your son

you sound self absorbed, needy and entirely focused on your own wants.

your affair shocked you? Oh FFs -you made choices that suited you and now you are throwing your toys out the pram because everyone else isn’t running around congratulating you.

they are both better off without you

Brintons · 07/07/2023 09:27

I think it's a reverse. No one could think like this

INeedAnotherName · 07/07/2023 09:29

At first I was angry. at his reaction and betrayal. I was so happy in my new relationship that I could not imagine he would not come round and reallythought he would so stood my ground.
He thinks you betrayed him. Standing your ground isn't particularly helpful when he's hurt.

At first he would reply to my texts to tell me to respect his decision and leave him alone and he will contact me if he changes his mind. Now he just point blank ignores them.
He told you he will contact you. Why arent you listening to him?

I stopped reading after that. You feel everyone needs to dance to your tune and their feelings dont come into it. This situation is not all about you. It's them too.

TedMullins · 07/07/2023 09:38

If this is real then I'm 100% team son. You're absolutely self-obsessed and you're not the victim here. If you were my father I wouldn't bother with you either.

ButterflySquared · 07/07/2023 09:40

Of course it can be real @Holly60 this scenario is played out constantly by middle aged men led by their dicks. My friends husband left her in a similar scenario, 30 year relationship married with two daughters. He was actually my friend before his wife as was a work colleague. DH and I have taken a side and it’s the wife’s.

No one likes a cheat, you lied. If you had broken up and had a gap and then got together it would be very different. I doubt very much your DS will ever forgive you as he has seen his Mum really suffer. Of course he is never going to like your new wife.

Notsossuperdad · 07/07/2023 09:43

I am sorry if I come across as self absorbed. That is not my intention I just want to fix things with my son as I love him very much and what is wrong with that? I have maybe not explained things very well. I know I have not behaved ethically but i cannot change that and all I have tried to do is explain what happened. I am not trying to excuse it.

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pigalow27 · 07/07/2023 09:44

Is that you George?

Holly60 · 07/07/2023 09:45

Well you may need to accept that you've messed up so badly that it can't ever be totally fixed.

On the plus side, you appear to have brought up a lovely young man.

Holly60 · 07/07/2023 09:47

ButterflySquared · 07/07/2023 09:40

Of course it can be real @Holly60 this scenario is played out constantly by middle aged men led by their dicks. My friends husband left her in a similar scenario, 30 year relationship married with two daughters. He was actually my friend before his wife as was a work colleague. DH and I have taken a side and it’s the wife’s.

No one likes a cheat, you lied. If you had broken up and had a gap and then got together it would be very different. I doubt very much your DS will ever forgive you as he has seen his Mum really suffer. Of course he is never going to like your new wife.

I think it was more the lack of self awareness that blew my mind.

'I cheated on my wife and left her. I don't understand why my son is angry with me and doesn't like my new partner'.

If you are going to do something, own the consequences

Notsossuperdad · 07/07/2023 09:48

ButterflySquared · 07/07/2023 09:40

Of course it can be real @Holly60 this scenario is played out constantly by middle aged men led by their dicks. My friends husband left her in a similar scenario, 30 year relationship married with two daughters. He was actually my friend before his wife as was a work colleague. DH and I have taken a side and it’s the wife’s.

No one likes a cheat, you lied. If you had broken up and had a gap and then got together it would be very different. I doubt very much your DS will ever forgive you as he has seen his Mum really suffer. Of course he is never going to like your new wife.

I am not saying that my cheating is okay and was maybe not clear about that in my post but do you honestly think I deserve to lose my son over it or should not try and fix things with him. If I do nothing he will surely equally think i dont care?

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Littlemissprosecco · 07/07/2023 09:49

You’ve already shown him you don’t care

INeedAnotherName · 07/07/2023 09:51

I am sorry if I come across as self absorbed. That is not my intention

Doesn't matter if you had the intention or not. If this is how you are in real life then you are self absorbed. You need to look at it from your sons perspective, or wife's.

I read a little further. You've blamed your wife. You've blamed your son. Now I see you are blaming your brother. See a pattern yet?

Cherryhill22 · 07/07/2023 09:51

It sounds like you are now living with the natural consequence of your affair. He is hurt and wants nothing to do with you. That is his right and his choice and you can't change this. You could write him a letter or message to express how much you want to reconnect, but if he is not interested then you have to live with this. Having another child will be even more hurtful for him.

Your wife and her family are not helping things are they and if she were being sensitive she would privatise her social media or not post so much stuff.

You made your bed.

Notsossuperdad · 07/07/2023 09:56

Littlemissprosecco · 07/07/2023 09:49

You’ve already shown him you don’t care

I do care. I left his mother, not him. My feelings for him are unchanged. I can understand his anger but the last thing I want is for him to think I don't care about him. But if he wont speak to him how can I change that.

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Appleofmyeye2023 · 07/07/2023 09:59

Brintons · 07/07/2023 09:27

I think it's a reverse. No one could think like this

Yep, agree.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/07/2023 09:59

Your son sounds utterly lovely, supporting his mum. What a star.

You in the other hand cheated and lied. It’s great that your son has suoerior qualities like loyalty and kindness.

Shouldn’t have left them should ya? Simples.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/07/2023 10:00

I do care. I left his mother, not him

That old one🙄 you left them both. He’s made his choice.

Notsossuperdad · 07/07/2023 10:02

Cherryhill22 · 07/07/2023 09:51

It sounds like you are now living with the natural consequence of your affair. He is hurt and wants nothing to do with you. That is his right and his choice and you can't change this. You could write him a letter or message to express how much you want to reconnect, but if he is not interested then you have to live with this. Having another child will be even more hurtful for him.

Your wife and her family are not helping things are they and if she were being sensitive she would privatise her social media or not post so much stuff.

You made your bed.

I am probably sounding like a broken records but i do get why he is angry that the way I left was wrong and that there are consequences as my relationship with my son will probably not be the same again. But I want to try and fix what I can and have come here purposefully looking for a mother's perspective as I accept my wife is biased as she sees me hurting and feels protective.

I see your point re social media but my wife has every right to do as she pleases. I cannot dictate what she does and nor should I.

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anythinginapinch · 07/07/2023 10:03

Buy The Rules of Estrangement and take the authors advice

WhineWhineWhineWINE · 07/07/2023 10:03

You made your bed, now you have to lie in it.

sunflowersanddaisys · 07/07/2023 10:05

Granted the situations aren’t the same but my mother had an affair and left my Dad when I was the same age as your son. I’m now 30 and have not seen or spoken to her since.

You behaved appallingly and it was your ex wife and son who suffered whilst you waltzed off Into the sunset all happy in your new relationship.

Its all well and good saying you care but your actions say otherwise

Unfortunatley you’re just going to have to accept that your son is an adult and is old enough to make his own decisions and put boundaries in place. If his decision is to not see or speak to you, there’s nothing you can do about that.

My mother has tried to reach out a number of times over the years but quite frankly there’s nothing she could ever say that would make me want a relationship with her again.

You made your bed

LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · 07/07/2023 10:05

Get ready for no contact with your son at all. Ever. My ex husband was very much like you. Our son, who was a young teenager when his dad left for the ow, has never forgiven his father for what he said, promised and then did. He has had no contact with his dad since. Ignored letters, hung up when he phoned and didn't cash cheques. He's now 38. You messed up and let him down and he doesn't want to know. If he changes his mind, it's up to him to contact you. Leave him in peace. You sound incredibly selfish