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poor relationship with adult son

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Notsossuperdad · 07/07/2023 09:00

I would appreciate some advice as to what to do about the estranged relationship with my adult son. He is 25 years of age.

Four years ago I left his Mum, my wife of 28 years, for my now wife of 2 years. We had a six month affair which I am not proud of. My affair shocked everyone including myself my exwife and my son. He was in his last year of university when I left. I purposely waiting until then to leave to protect him from witnessing it.

From the moment he knew about the affair he has refused to talk to me other than when I first left and that was to tell me how disgusting I am to treat any woman let alone his mother with such disrespect and our family like old furniture to throw on the bonfire. At first I was angry. at his reaction and betrayal. I was so happy in my new relationship that I could not imagine he would not come round and reallythought he would so stood my ground. I had stayed in a marriage where felt unappreciated for years and felt this was my time now after sacrificing staying for him. I tried to tell him that but he accused me of blaming him for not being man enough to try and sort things out or leave in a decent way. My exwife also refused to speak to me other than on the unavoidable logistics needed to separate a life of 30 years. That left me heartbroken. I know that sounds a ridiculous thing to say but I really dont think I realised that deep down I still loved her deeply. She was my childhood sweetheart and I still remember the first time I saw her. I could never have feelings that profound for anyone else and we have a bond that can never be broken or replaced. I have only just come to that realisation after 2 years of therapy. I should of spoken up sooner and tried to change things but I was too distracted by having something new and exciting and a person that made me feel special. I see now through therapy that validation is a key need for me. Instead I let that upset turn to anger and we entered the usual vicious divorce battle.

My now wife treats me how I wanted my exwife to. She is affectionate and shows every day that she appreciates me and is always making an effort. I lam trying to be to her what I should have been to my exwife. Maybe if I had been different to her we would still be together and I do not want another divorce.

As to my son I have tried to reach out by sending cards and the odd text. At first he would reply to my texts to tell me to respect his decision and leave him alone and he will contact me if he changes his mind. Now he just point blank ignores them. I am so upset by his continued rejection I find it hard to carry on. I do not know what is going on in his life which is so difficult. I reached out recently to my exwife a few months ago for help. She was actually civil and said that she understands my sadness but that this is something he and I need to sort out and whatever I think she has not encouraged him to not speak to me. I believe her I think. At first I thought she was behind him not or at least encouraging it but my brother sees my son still and says its very clear it is his choice. He will not tell me anything as my son has asked him not to and he feels he must respect that. My current wife and her family are not so sure and think my exwife is behind it and that my brother is being disloyal. For a long time I became embroiled in that and almost found comfort in sessions where we would demonise and critique my exwife. Some days I feel ashamed at doing that and have a need to hug her and just say I am sorry. Others I still blame her. I think my exwife and son think I have just ran off without a care in the world. that is so far from the truth.

I would appreciate some advice and especially from those of you that have been left having to support a child that feels let down on what to do next. I do not think my son will ever accept my new life and I would settle for just the two of us having contact. My wife is not happy that he looks down on her so I am always in conflict as if I show too much sympathy for his view it upsets her. To avoid that I do a lot of my grieving privately. She is very clear that she would welcome my son if he wanted to be a part of her life but i think deep down him not being suits her because of his views about her. For me it is not his say what i do. My brother said my son told him he cannot see how my wife and I think it is okay to openly celebrate our relationship and put it on a pedestal even though it has wrecked his and mine. I see his point but what can I do? I generally try and keep things quiet as I am more introvert and I do not want to do anything to make things worse. But my wife is very active on social media and makes lots of posts about our life like our holidays, engagement party, wedding, honeymoon etc. her view is that my son is an adult and needs to either not look or get a grip. I see her point too which makes this very tricky. I feel like I am walking a tightrope.

My wife and i are also trying for a baby. She is a fair bit younger than me and understandably wants a child. I fear that if I cannot build sone form of bridge with my son before that happens it will definitely never be repaired so am keen to try and do so as soon as possible.

OP posts:
saraclara · 08/07/2023 09:03

my brother sees my son still and says its very clear it is his choice. He will not tell me anything as my son has asked him not to and he feels he must respect that. My current wife and her family are not so sure and think my exwife is behind it and that my brother is being disloyal

Well they would, wouldn't they? They don't know your family and they have no reason to see anything from their point of view. Your ex remains a threat to them (you've admitted yourself that you still have feelings of a sort for her, and regrets).

Your brother sounds like a good man. Your son needs an uncle like him. Don't let your wife and her family turn you against him.

roarrfeckingroar · 08/07/2023 10:05

OP, do you realise that it's not that you left your wife but the way in which you did it?

Had you done the honourable thing and talked to her honestly then ended it without anyone else involved, it would be very very different now.

Marchmount · 08/07/2023 10:26

You’re in your fifties and shes in her thirties (I assume) - much closer in age to your son than you. It’s such a cliche. Assume you must be relatively affluent and you met her through work.

Good luck with a new baby, sleepless nights and general drudgery that comes with young kids in your fifties then having a teenager as a pensioner. Bet the new shiny wife is not quite as fun and loving then. Will you trade her in for a younger model as well?

pimplebum · 08/07/2023 12:48

I can't believe this post us actually real ? You are so massively self indulgent
Your new wife is vile and insensitive for posting your new life all over social media how tacky and hurtful

If you want a relationship with son:

  1. Never expect your some to see, socialite or talk about your new wife
  1. Never mention your new life when in contact with ex or son
  1. Only focus on your son and only show interest in him when in contact with him
  1. Never talk about or flaunt your new life at all, ...in any way
  1. Keep sending card letters parcels and money to your son - but make them all about him

6, never ever ever sign any cards from new wife ALWAYS just dad

Springbecamethesummer · 08/07/2023 13:13

Sons are very loyal to their Mothers.
You just have to suck it up, you made this choice and these are the consequences.
Your son has lost all respect for you, you can't force him to come around just so you feel more comfortable.
You better hope your new relationship lasts, if your new partner is capable of cheating with a married man, your going to need eyes in the back of your head, neither of you sound like you have much in the way of integrity, your building a relationship on very shaky ground.

blahblahblah1654 · 08/07/2023 13:22

Wow you sound very self centred. It's all about how sad you feel. You're heartbroken because your ex won't speak to you? Tough you had an affair, leave her alone. Leave the lines of communication open to your son, but don't make it all about you. Don't mention your new wife and life. You say your new wife is affectionate, let's hope it stays that way then? I assume it's earlyish days into the relationship before any rot has set in. If she is prepared to sleep with someone else's husband that says a lot about her.

blahblahblah1654 · 08/07/2023 13:23

Plus your new wife and family is trying to poison you against your ex who did bribing wrong? She sounds like a catch!

nobodysdaughternow · 08/07/2023 18:04

Honestly op, the affair isn't the problem.

  1. Your new wife wants to cut you off from your son
  1. You are still blaming your ex wife for your infidelity
  1. You disrespected your son's request for space
  1. It is nigh on impossible to maintain a relationship with a self-absorbed parent. This was always going to happen
Humpobottomous · 08/07/2023 18:22

Someone please tell me what I’ve just read is a joke???

OP if this is for real, then you truly are a selfish individual. You reap what you sow.

CattyCattle · 08/07/2023 18:42

Why isn't your new wife supporting you to build back a relationship with your son? Surely it's no skin off her nose to not post and tag you in various holidays etc.

I'm not judging you or her, just not sure why she isn't supporting you in this when she can clearly see the pain you've both caused to him?

singJoanna · 08/07/2023 20:45

You can't make a 25 year old change his mind about you. You're new wife and her family are not helping matters at all.
She sounds like a bit of a bitch.. Would they all prefer it if your brother stopped talking to your son as punishment until he realises he's a spoiled brat who needs to forgive the couple who are responsible for blowing his world apart! She sounds lovely!!
Also tell her to stop uploading photos that she knows full well are aggravating the situation, such a bitchy thing to do.
If he can observe that you are truly sorry he may in his own time come round. Having another baby will probably stop this ever being a possibility. What's more important to you. Your new wife and a baby who doesn't exist yet or your son who's life got ripped apart. Your choice but I know what I'd choose.

MrsRachelDanvers · 08/07/2023 22:13

Your initials aren’t GO are they?

Chestnutlover · 08/07/2023 22:26

I think people are being a bit mean here. We’re all complicated and we all do things that aren’t perfect and make mistakes - no one knows what your relationship was like with your first wife.
I would keep reaching out to your son, respectfully, not overdoing it. Let him know you love him and the door is always open. Hopefully he’ll come back.
Don’t worry too much about the politics, these things have their way of ironing out.

Darkandstormynite · 09/07/2023 11:37

I would keep reaching out to your son, respectfully, not overdoing it. Let him know you love him and the door is always open. Hopefully he’ll come back.
Don’t worry too much about the politics, these things have their way of ironing out.

Yeah, completely disregard your son's explicit wish that he doesn't want to speak to you, which is also supported by his uncle. Show no respect to the thoughts and feelings of others because its just politics 🙄

The ironing out may have already happened. His son doesn't want to know. Being an insensitive arse by trying to force your way into someone's life is unlikely to make that suddenly change the situation to go in your favour.

Darkandstormynite · 09/07/2023 11:38

That was in response to chesnutlover

SwirlyShirly · 09/07/2023 12:23

Ahaha it's a classic case of fuck around and find out!! You made your bed and now you get to lay in it.

Backstreets · 09/07/2023 12:28

Your ex wife did a great job raising a principled young man who respects his mum and will hopefully treat his future partners without deceit x

good luck on the new baby I guess

GeorgeMichaelsCat · 09/07/2023 12:39

MrsRachelDanvers · 08/07/2023 22:13

Your initials aren’t GO are they?

I don't think OP will be back

PowerBMI · 09/07/2023 13:09

Notsossuperdad · 07/07/2023 17:02

Thank you for this it is a very helpful suggestion and I think is my best option.

It seems pointless to reiterate that I understand how my son feels as that just does not seem to be heard but I really do. As I said earlier I wrote to tell him that when I sent the wedding invitation and made clear that I love him unconditionally and my marriage does not change that. Of course my own sadness comes over and that is because i am devastated. I do not mean that to portray that his feelings don't count. It is hard to accept that showing that love is best done by me respecting his wish to not speak to me but I am hearing it.

My wife is younger and I mentioned that so people could understand why I am going to be having another child despite my son being an adult. I don't think she warrants the negative comments on here. She wasn't the married one and her age is not relevant to the affair. I also do not feel we are rushing into things. We have been together over 4 years and things are good between us. I know that might not be what people want to hear but I am just being honest.

You don’t know how he feels and it’s not a priority. Talking about what you do or don’t deserve.

You are not entitled to a relationship with anyone. Even an adult child. He, at this point, doesn’t want one. and that probably won’t improve when you ah w a baby.

Your posts come across as though you made no choices and just woke up and found yourself married to someone else trying for a baby. You chose to betray your family. You chose to hurt your wife and your sons mother. You chose to then live with and marry a far younger woman. Knowing she wanted a child (maybe more) and knowing you had damaged your relationship with your son. You were just arrogant enough to believe he would come round and realise the error of his ways and come round to your thinking.

You are simply further damaging your relationship with your son with each of these things.

I actually think you are beyond cruel to have married her and trying ttc with her, given your apparent feelings for your wife. You are the husband you think your ex wife wanted. How you behave in your marriage is based on your exs wants and needs.

Why can’t you focus on the woman you are with and be a husband to them. Why are you basing how you behave based on your ex? Not who you are actually with.

I think you need therapy to really understand your own behaviours and understand that you simply don’t understand the impacts they have had.

Notsossuperdad · 09/07/2023 22:51

I think the predominant view seems to be that I am an awful person. I think that is harsh. I have done an awful thing in cheating which I accept but I don't think it is fair that alone defines me overall. I get that it explains my son's position and I just have to hope that in time, he can see my perspective too even if he does not agree with my choices and thinks I am disgusting. And yes, I agree he has every right to not. But I cannot never have hope as I cannot bear the thought that I might never speak to him again.

There's a lot said about my wife's age. She is mid 30s so is not the same age as my son but I honestly do not see how it is relevant anyway as her age was not a cause of my cheating. I agree that having another baby will not help things hence the timing for my advice. But do I not have a right to have another chance at happiness? That baby will not replace my son. I will love them equally. Plenty of people remarry and have more children with a new partner and are able to work things out. even when there was cheating involved. It will not stop me wanting my son in my life. The choice will be his.

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Littlemissprosecco · 09/07/2023 23:06

Hopefully everyone involved in this whole unfortunate situation will find a happy way though eventually. But I do think that it will take a lot more patience and compromise from yourself. Good luck.

StopMindlesslyScrolling · 09/07/2023 23:38

Kudos to you for coming on here looking for insight and advice, however it doesn't really seem that you're going to act on the advice you're being given, so it's a bit of a pointless exercise.

You know that the new baby you're planning isn't going to help the relationship you have with your existing son (& possibly recognise that it's going to damage it even further) yet you're still going to plough ahead anyway.

You're asking if you deserve happiness. Well, if you're religious you must think that you're going to hell so you may as well grab any happiness you can in this life. If you believe in karma then no, happiness is unlikely to be in your future.

If you don't believe in any god or belief system, then you'll recognise that there is no such thing as a "right to happiness". Life is just life, you grab your happiness where you can find it and you've grabbed yourself a nubile younger woman, thinking that was the path to happiness, and are only now realising that having the love and respect of your peers and your child is actually what gave you real fulfilment and let you rest easy at night.

Unless that is, you're actually quite happy with the status quo and want to put on a show of "doing everything I can to repair my relationship with my son" whilst actually just enjoying your midlife-crisis-marriage honeymoon phase. Which includes pandering to your new wife by letting her rub your sons face in the dirt on social media and getting back on the baby train.

But when your new wife's social media feed is full of pregnancy pics and baby scans and Father's Day fawning; will you really consider that as doing "everything you can" to repair your relationship with your first born? Or can you actually see how that is going to push him away further?

DirectionToPerfection · 10/07/2023 00:52

OP sounds like a narcissist, it's still all about what he feels he deserves with no real attempt to confront the damage he caused or take on board any advice.

Annaishere · 10/07/2023 03:18

For lack of a better expression it may have been a sort of trauma for your son. He was still young when this happened and as you said he felt you had thrown away your family, which I take to include him. You left the family home and your life together to live with a woman he will never be able to feel comfortable with. The time passes fast when people are hurt and confused and it can take years to process these type of things. So it can go from someone needing space to it then being hard to get back in touch and deal with the damaged relationship. I think for your son he feels that you’re still doing it, the thing he can’t forgive and it makes it harder to resolve. I think you should give him space but maybe once in six months get in touch and ask him to meet you for a coffee and to talk.

PowerBMI · 10/07/2023 04:50

Notsossuperdad · 09/07/2023 22:51

I think the predominant view seems to be that I am an awful person. I think that is harsh. I have done an awful thing in cheating which I accept but I don't think it is fair that alone defines me overall. I get that it explains my son's position and I just have to hope that in time, he can see my perspective too even if he does not agree with my choices and thinks I am disgusting. And yes, I agree he has every right to not. But I cannot never have hope as I cannot bear the thought that I might never speak to him again.

There's a lot said about my wife's age. She is mid 30s so is not the same age as my son but I honestly do not see how it is relevant anyway as her age was not a cause of my cheating. I agree that having another baby will not help things hence the timing for my advice. But do I not have a right to have another chance at happiness? That baby will not replace my son. I will love them equally. Plenty of people remarry and have more children with a new partner and are able to work things out. even when there was cheating involved. It will not stop me wanting my son in my life. The choice will be his.

You wife’s age is relevant because you made it relevant. You said you are having a baby because she is younger and wants her own child/children. Not that you want a child.

Again, you are acting in a way like you have no choice. You know it will further deepen the rift with your existing son, but are trying for baby with your wife. You made that choice. You chose to stay in a marriage you weren’t happy in wasting your ex wife’s life. You chose to cheat. You chose your new wife. You promised her marriage and a baby. You are choosing to try for a baby knowing what will happen.

You decided that you would rather have your wife than your son and knew that you would need to have a child with your wife for that to happen.

What do you mean ‘don’t I deserve another a chance at happiness’? That’s a massive kick in the teeth even for adult kids. What you actually mean ‘I deserve to do and have what I want and how dare they have their own feelings and not be happy for me’.

Because this is actually all about you. You and your wife don’t sound particularly happy, but that’s because you let her slag you ex wife off and indulge in ‘comfort sessions’ of botching about your ex wife. It appears that’s what you bonded over. How awful you both think your ex wife is. Never ceases to amaze me when a man and his OW can ignore their actions and turn the person they screwed over in to a villain, rather that accept their actions have consequences they can’t control

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