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poor relationship with adult son

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Notsossuperdad · 07/07/2023 09:00

I would appreciate some advice as to what to do about the estranged relationship with my adult son. He is 25 years of age.

Four years ago I left his Mum, my wife of 28 years, for my now wife of 2 years. We had a six month affair which I am not proud of. My affair shocked everyone including myself my exwife and my son. He was in his last year of university when I left. I purposely waiting until then to leave to protect him from witnessing it.

From the moment he knew about the affair he has refused to talk to me other than when I first left and that was to tell me how disgusting I am to treat any woman let alone his mother with such disrespect and our family like old furniture to throw on the bonfire. At first I was angry. at his reaction and betrayal. I was so happy in my new relationship that I could not imagine he would not come round and reallythought he would so stood my ground. I had stayed in a marriage where felt unappreciated for years and felt this was my time now after sacrificing staying for him. I tried to tell him that but he accused me of blaming him for not being man enough to try and sort things out or leave in a decent way. My exwife also refused to speak to me other than on the unavoidable logistics needed to separate a life of 30 years. That left me heartbroken. I know that sounds a ridiculous thing to say but I really dont think I realised that deep down I still loved her deeply. She was my childhood sweetheart and I still remember the first time I saw her. I could never have feelings that profound for anyone else and we have a bond that can never be broken or replaced. I have only just come to that realisation after 2 years of therapy. I should of spoken up sooner and tried to change things but I was too distracted by having something new and exciting and a person that made me feel special. I see now through therapy that validation is a key need for me. Instead I let that upset turn to anger and we entered the usual vicious divorce battle.

My now wife treats me how I wanted my exwife to. She is affectionate and shows every day that she appreciates me and is always making an effort. I lam trying to be to her what I should have been to my exwife. Maybe if I had been different to her we would still be together and I do not want another divorce.

As to my son I have tried to reach out by sending cards and the odd text. At first he would reply to my texts to tell me to respect his decision and leave him alone and he will contact me if he changes his mind. Now he just point blank ignores them. I am so upset by his continued rejection I find it hard to carry on. I do not know what is going on in his life which is so difficult. I reached out recently to my exwife a few months ago for help. She was actually civil and said that she understands my sadness but that this is something he and I need to sort out and whatever I think she has not encouraged him to not speak to me. I believe her I think. At first I thought she was behind him not or at least encouraging it but my brother sees my son still and says its very clear it is his choice. He will not tell me anything as my son has asked him not to and he feels he must respect that. My current wife and her family are not so sure and think my exwife is behind it and that my brother is being disloyal. For a long time I became embroiled in that and almost found comfort in sessions where we would demonise and critique my exwife. Some days I feel ashamed at doing that and have a need to hug her and just say I am sorry. Others I still blame her. I think my exwife and son think I have just ran off without a care in the world. that is so far from the truth.

I would appreciate some advice and especially from those of you that have been left having to support a child that feels let down on what to do next. I do not think my son will ever accept my new life and I would settle for just the two of us having contact. My wife is not happy that he looks down on her so I am always in conflict as if I show too much sympathy for his view it upsets her. To avoid that I do a lot of my grieving privately. She is very clear that she would welcome my son if he wanted to be a part of her life but i think deep down him not being suits her because of his views about her. For me it is not his say what i do. My brother said my son told him he cannot see how my wife and I think it is okay to openly celebrate our relationship and put it on a pedestal even though it has wrecked his and mine. I see his point but what can I do? I generally try and keep things quiet as I am more introvert and I do not want to do anything to make things worse. But my wife is very active on social media and makes lots of posts about our life like our holidays, engagement party, wedding, honeymoon etc. her view is that my son is an adult and needs to either not look or get a grip. I see her point too which makes this very tricky. I feel like I am walking a tightrope.

My wife and i are also trying for a baby. She is a fair bit younger than me and understandably wants a child. I fear that if I cannot build sone form of bridge with my son before that happens it will definitely never be repaired so am keen to try and do so as soon as possible.

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Putdownthecake · 07/07/2023 10:05

Agree its a reverse but even so the actions have been owned so no point telling you they were disgustingly selfish as that seems to be understood.
To patch things up with your son, love his mother. Show her respect, be kind, friendly. Apologise. Own your actions, say sorry. Is his mum happy and moved on?
Build a relationship with him, it doesn't have to involve your wife. Keepninviting him to the pub, football matches, whatever it is even if no reply. Keep sending birthday/Christmas cards. Tell him you miss him.
If you got married 2 years ago, was your son there or did you do this without him?

Littlemissprosecco · 07/07/2023 10:07

Notsossuperdad · 07/07/2023 09:56

I do care. I left his mother, not him. My feelings for him are unchanged. I can understand his anger but the last thing I want is for him to think I don't care about him. But if he wont speak to him how can I change that.

But he’s young and doesn’t have life and relationship insight in the way that you want him to. You have to see it from his point of view. The point of view of a 20 year old young man, who has all the worlds ideals in front of him. You’ve shattered them all!
Then he’s asked you to respect his space and leave him alone, but you won’t, you keep contacting him, so you’re disrespecting him by trampling a specific boundary he put in place.
In time he may come round, maybe he won’t. Either way there’s nothing you can do. Step back, send a birthday card, Christmas etc….. ask about him but give him the space he’s asked for or you’ll push him further away.

RoseBucket · 07/07/2023 10:09

His last year at Uni is the most important and the most stressful year. You had an affair rather than leaving first. You remarried quickly whilst wounds were still fresh. You dismissed his feelings of anger by blaming his mother and therefore not accepting his own mind and hurt in all this.

You continued with your happiness at a speed which drive through the feelings of your son whilst he was trying to come to terms with it.

You need to give him some space and ask your ‘current wife’ to show a little respect.

Largeslice · 07/07/2023 10:11

Notsossuperdad · 07/07/2023 10:02

I am probably sounding like a broken records but i do get why he is angry that the way I left was wrong and that there are consequences as my relationship with my son will probably not be the same again. But I want to try and fix what I can and have come here purposefully looking for a mother's perspective as I accept my wife is biased as she sees me hurting and feels protective.

I see your point re social media but my wife has every right to do as she pleases. I cannot dictate what she does and nor should I.

You can't fix things on your terms. YOU betrayed him. Not the other way around. Until you wrap your head around this nothing will change.

SugarAndSpiceIsNice · 07/07/2023 10:12

Wiglio · 07/07/2023 09:07

It’s all about you isn’t it.

The first comment pretty much sums it up.
You've behaved appallingly with your ex-wife and son. You now want to play happy families with your new wife and want a replacement offspring. You can do whatever you want but it's absurd to expect your adult son to cheer you on your selfish behaviour.
You should be proud of the fine young man your son has grown into despite having a very selfish father in his life.

Mumoftwoinprimary · 07/07/2023 10:13

I think that if your new wife genuinely loved you then she would understand that the estrangement is making you very unhappy and do her best to help (or at least not hurt more) by stopping posting on social media.

SadKendall · 07/07/2023 10:14

You cheated on his mother, broke up his family, and you're now disrespecting his wishes to leave him alone, while demonising his mother/your ex wife and blaming her for influencing him.

Nope. You've done this all yourself. Actions have consequences.

Enjoy your shiny new younger wife and baby.

3isthemagicnumberrr · 07/07/2023 10:16

You can’t be for real. You’re upset about HIS betrayal?! You deserve everything you’ve got.

MrsRachelDanvers · 07/07/2023 10:18

Hopefully your son will forgive you in time. But can you not see how deeply hurt he and his mother must feel? Did she have any idea things in your marriage weren’t great before you went off with someone? I’m not going to demonise you-what you describe has been going on since the dawn of time and is part of human nature. But surely history would tell you that the fallout from such a coup de foudre would be devastating.
On what planet do you think posting happy couple pictures on social media will endear your son? At the very least, get your wife to restrict who can see them. Why do you think that his seeing your happiness will make him think great, dad, I’m glad you did it. I honestly think that relationships which start this way are sometimes doomed because believe it or not, many(not all) people who do this aren’t monsters or shits but people who are overwhelmed by the strength of their emotions. Then when things settle down, they feel intense guilt and shame over their behaviour.

turkeyboots · 07/07/2023 10:20

You broke up his family. Deal with the consequences.

It's taken 20 years for me to start rebuilding a relationship with my Dad after he left my mum. There was nothing he could do or say to make me play happy families with wife 2.

Wife 3 I get along with though.

Makemyday99 · 07/07/2023 10:23

We all make mistakes & in time your son will come around; I forgave my Dad eventually although it took a while but ultimately I accepted he was just a man who made a mistake but it didn’t mean he didn’t love me & we’ve had a great relationship since. Just keep sending cards/messages periodically you will see him again

AgnesX · 07/07/2023 10:24

Lots of "I" is that post......

You seem to be incapable of seeing from your son's point of view that your behaviour has been less than stellar and such a cliche.

I've no real advice other than leave the door open and step back, Your desire to have a happy family relationship between your son and new family is a foregone conclusion until the wounds have healed somewhat.

BoohooWoohoo · 07/07/2023 10:24

I think that this is a reverse too.

You picked yourself over your son and it's no surprise that he won't talk to you. Your actions are nasty (eg the bitching sessions about your ex wife) and self centred. If you have a baby then expect him to never talk to you never mind the baby. You chose yourself over everyone else and have to live with that.

I'm not saying that it wasn't ok to leave your wife but you picked a terrible time and were disrespectful to the woman that he loves. Yet you continue the disrespect every day because your priority is yourself.

Your brother is showing respect to your son by not repeating information. The fact that your brother is in contact demonstrates that your ex is unlikely to be reason why he won't talk to you. Your brother is showing clear respect to your son by prioritising his relationship with his nephew over his selfish brother. He doesn't want to be arranged from his nephew and it's good that he can be there to look out for your son.

You need to face that you have chosen your needs and happiness over everything else. You only care about your own feelings. Have you demonstrated any remorse ? A second divorce isn't the end of the world that you think it is and would force you to focus on bettering yourself. Did you reflect on your actions when you jumped from one woman to another? Or did you do what many cheaters do and keep busy enjoying yourself and kidding yourself that the new relationship was meant to be and that your actions weren't nasty? You may not have loved your ex any more but she didn't deserve being treated like that.

LadyDanburysHat · 07/07/2023 10:25

Son: I'm angry that you've destroyed the life I've always known.

Dad: How dare you be angry, I am happy, you should accept it.

Son: Still angry

Dad: Well it's your fault, I gave up so much for you and now I should be happy.

Son: doesn't want to speak to Dad any more

Dad: Posts on MN incredulous that his son doesn't want to speak to him.

I miss where you have profusely apologised to your son for what you have done to him and his Mother. I miss where you told him you understand his anger and really hope you can rebuild your relationship.

All I see is some sad middle aged man who traded the wife in for a younger model, is happy with that but can't understand why everyone else isn't.

pinkflute · 07/07/2023 10:25

"My current wife and her family are not so sure and think my exwife is behind it and that my brother is being disloyal. For a long time I became embroiled in that and almost found comfort in sessions where we would demonise and critique my exwife.

... My wife is not happy that he looks down on her so I am always in conflict as if I show too much sympathy for his view it upsets her. ..... deep down him not being suits her because of his views about her. For me it is not his say what i do. My brother said my son told him he cannot see how my wife and I think it is okay to openly celebrate our relationship and put it on a pedestal even though it has wrecked his and mine."

Your new wife loves the estrangement be in no doubt. She hates that your DS ties you back to your former marriage. She is 'celebrates' your relationship to try and signal how great the new relationship is because deep down you both know that everybody around thinks you both behaved badly. You can't be trusted and are a proven liar. She loves sessions where you demonise your ex wife. She has poor morals to get involved with a married man. Her parents are of course team new wife demonise ex wife because they want their daughter to 'win'. If I were your son I'd never forgive what you did.

Appleofmyeye2023 · 07/07/2023 10:27

Notsossuperdad · 07/07/2023 09:48

I am not saying that my cheating is okay and was maybe not clear about that in my post but do you honestly think I deserve to lose my son over it or should not try and fix things with him. If I do nothing he will surely equally think i dont care?

You’ve not lost your son over cheating with your wife.
your son does not want to have a relationship with you until the rawness of your disrespect towards him is at least eased. You lied to him over something fundamentally in his psychi. He is also grieving - the nature of your relationship with him changed forever when you betrayed his mum. He suddenly saw you as a flawed person, a lier, even a sexual being which most “children” (even adults) don’t really want to have to consider.

your marriage vows don’t just impact your ex wife and you , they also underpin your relationship with your children. It’s one thing breaking those vows, by saying that you are unhappy and want to end that marriage and doing so as respectfully towards your wife and dc as possible. It is another thing lying to your son by going behind his back and starting a new family while still pretending to be engaged with your old one.

you need to look at the Grief pathway - understand your son is grieving for his loss in what he through the future would be for his relationship with his parents. He will feel all those same grieving emotions, and it could take years for him to get to the acceptance stage. Even then your relationship will never ever be the same. He has learnt something about you he can never forget.

your new wife’s attitude that he should grow up etc is appalling, but not surprising given she was happy to have an affair with a married man. She is in no position to judge your son. You need to get a grip and tell her that. Either she recognises that your sons hurt is justified, that he is grieving, and he will have some resentment towards her at the very least or she will drive a wedge between you and your son even further.

I would advise stopping cards or any other attempt to contact. Having been on receiving end of that practice it is not nice- I would be about to celebrate Xmas or my birthday and be all upbeat and happy, and then get a card that would remind me of the fact that my dad and I had a broken relationship, and that made me sad and push me back to raw grief - thus ruining the moment. Even the act of putting them unopened in a bin was a reminder that I really didn’t want on my special day. Stop it. That’s about you wanting to feel better and less guilty by showing you do “still care”, but you’re not giving one single thought on the reality of getting a card or reminder on an otherwise happy day.

you should write one single letter. Before you do start looking at it from his perspective and demonstrate empathy. Think how you would have felt if that had been your mum and dad- don’t tell yourselves lies, be honest …then try to empathise . recognise why he is grieving, recongise what the pathway is and where he might be on . Then write to say you accept his feeling towards you and that he doesn’t want a relationship with you just now. Do not say you understand, or say “you feel” “you must” “you should” . You don’t know for sure. Stick to “i” statements. “”I accept you don’t want to have a relationship with me” “I am obviously hurt and distressed by this” “ I accept your wishes to not contact you so as to avoid inflicting more difficult emotions on you” etc.

Tell him, that if and when he is ready for a conversation to help resolve the conflict you are ready and willing for that. That you will only write to update him of your contact details. And then leave it. Hopefully, over time the pain of his grief will become less prevalent and he’ll perhaps want to meet to vent his feeling -again you need to listen, not argue and accept the damage that has been done to him by you.

remond yourself YOU could have done it differently, and YOU chose not to. You did not have to lie, cheat, and deceive your family. You cou,d have done the moral thing which is to end one relationship before you started the next - you took the cowards route and the selfish route. It is not your new relationship, or the state of your marriage with your ex that is hurting your son, but how you made him feel by the lying and deceit you carried out on your son.

pinkflute · 07/07/2023 10:32

Out of interest do your currents wife's parents know you were a married family man when your new relationship started?

Makemyday99 · 07/07/2023 10:32

pinkflute · 07/07/2023 10:32

Out of interest do your currents wife's parents know you were a married family man when your new relationship started?

Irrelevant..you’re just being nosey & goady

Mumtothreegirlies · 07/07/2023 10:34

You say you ‘left his mother’ not him.

what YOU did was take a big shit on Your whole family.
your son sounds like an amazing young man with morals and loyalty. Something you do not possess!

If you really loved your son you wouldn’t be remarried and trying for a baby.

Mumtothreegirlies · 07/07/2023 10:34

pinkflute · 07/07/2023 10:32

Out of interest do your currents wife's parents know you were a married family man when your new relationship started?

Probably did. I mean the new wife participated in shitting over someone’s family so no doubt her family’s as crap as she is

BoohooWoohoo · 07/07/2023 10:35

Your wife's attitude over your son is awful. The fact that she thinks that he needs to grow up and accept it shows how she could rationalise an affair with a married man. It shows that she doesn't think that you did anything wrong and of course it would suit her if your son pretended that everything is fine. It would also suit her that you don't see your son. She can have her baby get all of your attention and she can pretend that the past didn't happen and she wasn't a cause of deep pain.
Your wife is a major reason why you are unlikely to ever have contact with your son. Staying with her is a sort of acceptance that her point of view is right and that you'd like him to pretend that the affair and pain caused didn't happen. What have you done to make amends ?

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BoohooWoohoo · 07/07/2023 10:37

Did you tell your son that you stayed married to his mum for his sake ? I hope not because that's a terrible burden for your son to bear. He didn't ask or force you to do that and to have that used as an excuse would be awful.

MyOtherCarIsAPorsche · 07/07/2023 10:38

Can't you see that it's your behaviour that spoiled everything?

You say that your 'new', much younger, wife is affectionate towards you - that's because she's responding to YOUR actions/attentions. You undoubtedly fawn over her and she simply loves the attention. Attention which you didn't give your 'old' (in every sense of the word) wife.

People tend to respond to other's behaviours in kind - that is if you treat someone appreciatively/lovingly, they will respond in the same manner.

You say that your 'old' wife didn't appreciate you? What did you want? A round of applause when you returned home? You wanted her to remain looking like she did when you first met and fling herself at you, ripping your clothes off whenever you came home?

When will middle aged men learn that women will treat you how you treat them?

You traded her in like a used car - how do you think that made her and your son feel?

Your son will never respect you. He may possibly pretend to, but you destroyed his family. What do you expect?

Your 'new' wife sounds charming.

Notsossuperdad · 07/07/2023 10:39

I am not sure what a reverse is but can assure you that I am not trying to trick people here. I will not keep replying to specific posts as it seems the more I say, the more it is viewed that I don’t get it. I honestly do and I repeat that I know I acted inethically and I understand my son’s anger. I just desperately want to be a part of my son’s life which is surely understandable. In response to some of the points raised.

I did not leave my son, I left his mother. Surely it cannot be the case that I have to stay in an unhappy marriage else seen to abandon my son. If that was true noone would ever leave an unhappy marriage That is not good for anyone.

The point on timing is well made. I had not appreciated the impact in what is the most stressful year for him. I do not think waiting would have changed his reaction but I still accept the point.

I did send him a wedding invite with a letter as I felt I couldn’t not. In that letter I empathised with him and how it might make him feel, told him I love him unconditionally. I know he read it as my brother confirmed but I had no response from him.

My exwife does not want to speak with me. I want nothing more than to have a chance to talk to her and apologise but she is not interested and whilst that does upset me I understand why. She seems to have shone without me and I expect is glad I left but not the way I treated her.

Again I think I have not represented my wife properly. She is kind and would never do anything to purposefully inflame things. That is now why she posts things. She just feels she should not be restricted but I will think about tactfully raising it.

Thanks for those that see I am writing with the best of intentions.

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