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poor relationship with adult son

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Notsossuperdad · 07/07/2023 09:00

I would appreciate some advice as to what to do about the estranged relationship with my adult son. He is 25 years of age.

Four years ago I left his Mum, my wife of 28 years, for my now wife of 2 years. We had a six month affair which I am not proud of. My affair shocked everyone including myself my exwife and my son. He was in his last year of university when I left. I purposely waiting until then to leave to protect him from witnessing it.

From the moment he knew about the affair he has refused to talk to me other than when I first left and that was to tell me how disgusting I am to treat any woman let alone his mother with such disrespect and our family like old furniture to throw on the bonfire. At first I was angry. at his reaction and betrayal. I was so happy in my new relationship that I could not imagine he would not come round and reallythought he would so stood my ground. I had stayed in a marriage where felt unappreciated for years and felt this was my time now after sacrificing staying for him. I tried to tell him that but he accused me of blaming him for not being man enough to try and sort things out or leave in a decent way. My exwife also refused to speak to me other than on the unavoidable logistics needed to separate a life of 30 years. That left me heartbroken. I know that sounds a ridiculous thing to say but I really dont think I realised that deep down I still loved her deeply. She was my childhood sweetheart and I still remember the first time I saw her. I could never have feelings that profound for anyone else and we have a bond that can never be broken or replaced. I have only just come to that realisation after 2 years of therapy. I should of spoken up sooner and tried to change things but I was too distracted by having something new and exciting and a person that made me feel special. I see now through therapy that validation is a key need for me. Instead I let that upset turn to anger and we entered the usual vicious divorce battle.

My now wife treats me how I wanted my exwife to. She is affectionate and shows every day that she appreciates me and is always making an effort. I lam trying to be to her what I should have been to my exwife. Maybe if I had been different to her we would still be together and I do not want another divorce.

As to my son I have tried to reach out by sending cards and the odd text. At first he would reply to my texts to tell me to respect his decision and leave him alone and he will contact me if he changes his mind. Now he just point blank ignores them. I am so upset by his continued rejection I find it hard to carry on. I do not know what is going on in his life which is so difficult. I reached out recently to my exwife a few months ago for help. She was actually civil and said that she understands my sadness but that this is something he and I need to sort out and whatever I think she has not encouraged him to not speak to me. I believe her I think. At first I thought she was behind him not or at least encouraging it but my brother sees my son still and says its very clear it is his choice. He will not tell me anything as my son has asked him not to and he feels he must respect that. My current wife and her family are not so sure and think my exwife is behind it and that my brother is being disloyal. For a long time I became embroiled in that and almost found comfort in sessions where we would demonise and critique my exwife. Some days I feel ashamed at doing that and have a need to hug her and just say I am sorry. Others I still blame her. I think my exwife and son think I have just ran off without a care in the world. that is so far from the truth.

I would appreciate some advice and especially from those of you that have been left having to support a child that feels let down on what to do next. I do not think my son will ever accept my new life and I would settle for just the two of us having contact. My wife is not happy that he looks down on her so I am always in conflict as if I show too much sympathy for his view it upsets her. To avoid that I do a lot of my grieving privately. She is very clear that she would welcome my son if he wanted to be a part of her life but i think deep down him not being suits her because of his views about her. For me it is not his say what i do. My brother said my son told him he cannot see how my wife and I think it is okay to openly celebrate our relationship and put it on a pedestal even though it has wrecked his and mine. I see his point but what can I do? I generally try and keep things quiet as I am more introvert and I do not want to do anything to make things worse. But my wife is very active on social media and makes lots of posts about our life like our holidays, engagement party, wedding, honeymoon etc. her view is that my son is an adult and needs to either not look or get a grip. I see her point too which makes this very tricky. I feel like I am walking a tightrope.

My wife and i are also trying for a baby. She is a fair bit younger than me and understandably wants a child. I fear that if I cannot build sone form of bridge with my son before that happens it will definitely never be repaired so am keen to try and do so as soon as possible.

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Pawpatrolsucks · 10/07/2023 06:02

A family friend had an affair and left his wife and two sons to be with the OW. The boys chose not see their father again. I am in contact with both sides like your brother is so can see how It’s difficult. the kids know their dad chose to spend time with the ow rather than doing things as a family. There were a lot of things he chose to miss and the kids feel like they were cheated on too. They also watched their mum try to cope as she had to fight to keep the house and feed them while their father lived the life of Riley. He initially involved ow in access with the kids and couldn’t understand why they were not happy with this. It didn’t take long for the kids to cut their father off. I don’t blame the kids for not wanting to see their dad. He goes on about parental alienation, but it’s entirely on him.

Can you imagine what that would be like to witness as a child? Your son got front row seats to watch you shit all over him mum. I imagine you fought her for everything in the divorce too. You need to take responsibility for your actions and respect his decision.

Can I ask what you thought was going to happen when you left his mum for something else?

Highdaysandholidays1 · 10/07/2023 06:16

I didn't speak to my dad for two years when he did this exact thing (although he didn't go on to have a baby).

I eventually came round and I do see them, his wife has been in my life for over 20 years now.

I am not close to them though and it diminished what I thought of him forever, it's just not impressive and it's such a cliche.

The good thing is my mum is much much happier with her lovely new partner, so overall the break-up was a good thing.

smilesup · 10/07/2023 06:26

I think we have established you behaved appallingly. If your life was so bad with your ex wife why did he not do the grown up thing and leave her or change it whilst together.
As for your new wife I can pretty much guarantee that if your son ever does come back into your life their relationship is going to be terrible. She sounds like the worst sort of "step mother". Speaking badly of your ex-wife who she has played a part in treating so terribly. How dare she. Posting on social media unnecessarily, such a dick move. I'm a step parent to a now adult child and am so respectful of his Mum even though I was in no way involved in their break up. That would be such a terrible and disrespectful thing to do to the woman who had raised my stepson and would also upset him.
I am pretty certain that your wife will end up being a nightmare for you and your relationship will not last past the shiny shiny first few years. She sounds as self absorbed as you.

standardduck · 10/07/2023 06:44

I don't think you are an awful person, but you've done an awful thing and were naive to think you won't have to live with the consequences of it.

Your son is an adult and made a decision to be no contact with you based on your affair. Whether it's fair or not in your opinion, it's his decision. You can't force him to have a relationship with you or your wife.

I think you are underestimating how affairs impact children. If you were not happy in your marriage, you could have ended it in a decent way. Of course your son will feel betrayed.

Having been no contact with a family member who didn't accept it and still tried to contact me, my advice is to stop. You are making it all about yourself. He told you numerous times that he will get in touch with you if he changes his mind. You disrespecting his wishes will make it even worse.

But please, let him be. Accept you made a mistake. Accept you have to live with the consequences and the biggest one being a loss of your son. If you can't accept it, please seek some therapy, but don't make it harder for your son by ignoring his wishes.

Darkandstormynite · 10/07/2023 06:55

It's very clear that you've spun a narrative in your head that everything happens to you, instead of taking ownership of choices you have actively made.

The 'don't I deserve happiness' is such a cliché line used to justify all sorts of destructive and selfish behaviour. But think about it from another perspective, if you have a new baby, don't they deserve to be brought into a stable loving environment? from everything you have posted, and I can only go on your words so I think you should own them, you are still in love with your ex wife and you're not entirely happy in your new marriage. You know deep down you new wife and her family are working to undermine your son and ex wife. and it seems like that is creating tension that will only get worse.

You have a choice, you are not a passenger in this. Start taking ownership of choices you have made, stop making choices you know are going to further hurt people who already exist and have an honest conversation with your wife about her behaviour and attitude.

But of course, you won't because it's really all about you, isn't it.

ThePoetsWife · 10/07/2023 07:15

Mumoftwoinprimary · 07/07/2023 10:13

I think that if your new wife genuinely loved you then she would understand that the estrangement is making you very unhappy and do her best to help (or at least not hurt more) by stopping posting on social media.

This.

And as for her and her family demonising your ex wife, that's just disgusting and vile. Your poor ex wife.

You are prioritising your wife over your son and he knows it. This is why he doesn't want you - he's not second best.

My DH's father did the same - walked out with another woman and he's said the same stuff in your post eg he left his mum not the family. As a result he has no relationship with his children - they don't want him.

ThePoetsWife · 10/07/2023 07:29

Your wife is not kind. She went after a married man. And then demonised your ex wife and is making sure your son does not come near you. She is a nasty butch but you can't see it as you're being a blind fool who think he deserves happiness even if it means wrecking other people's happiness.

You also seen pissed that your ex wife is doing well. Not surprised she is shining after living with a selfish vain and self absorbed wanker for 30 years.

GeriKellmansGoldenGlasses · 10/07/2023 07:39

You have written asking about 'what to do' about your relationship with your son, but over the course of the thread it's become apparent that what you really mean is 'how can I rebuild my relationship with him'. Here's the thing - you can't. As everyone has pointed out, you behaved appallingly to him and appear not to understand how your own actions have led to his hurt; and how they continue to hurt him. It's on his terms whether he wants anything to do with you, and there's absolutely nothing you can do about that - except perhaps for getting your new wife to understand that spilling your life over social media is astonishingly tactless; and for you to understand that having another child will likely exacerbate this damage.

If you genuinely want to move forward, reframe the question and ask: 'how can I come to terms with the fact that I may never have a relationship with my son again?' That is the real issue, and that's between you and a therapist.

It sounds like you're struggling to comprehend the level of devastation that you caused, and continue to cause. Instead of framing it as 'I am very happy with my new younger wife, why won't my son talk to me?', start mentally thinking of it in terms of 'I firebombed my son's home'. So, instead of 'my son won't talk to me because I left his mum', try 'my son doesn't want anything do with me because I burned his family home to the ground'. Instead of, 'don't I deserve happiness?', try 'don't I deserve happiness even though it came at the expense of setting fire to my son's house?'. Every part of what is enjoyable in your new life has come at the cost of devastating the people you were meant to love and protect. Understand that. Own that. And stop being such a self-pitying clown.

rookiemere · 10/07/2023 07:42

"She is mid 30s so is not the same age as my son but I honestly do not see how it is relevant anyway as her age was not a cause of my cheating."

Honestly- at least own your sh*t. Your DWs age has everything to do with it, it's not by chance you had an affair with a much younger woman. I bet it made you feel good that she found older you attractive .

Sorry but you need self awareness and humility if you want to have a chance of having a relationship with your adult son. I see neither of those.

LaDeeDa123 · 10/07/2023 07:55

Please don’t bring another child into the world. You’ll only fuck that one up too.

constantcraving19 · 10/07/2023 07:56

You are cringy and embarrassing. That's what your wife's age has to do with it. Typical cliche. Your son is disappointed and embarrassed. But you know, it's about you and your new wife (who's obviously a lovely person 🙄). Have your baby to keep your younger wife, but keep a look out for when she trades you in for a younger model......remember she doesn't have the best morals.

Farmageddon · 10/07/2023 08:07

I don't understand why you even asked this on mumsnet, a site which is predominantly women, mothers, wives...do you think we are here to solve your problems?
Did you really not think we would call you out on your selfish behaviour?

WhatNoRaisins · 10/07/2023 08:10

OP I get what's done is done but if you really care about your son the best thing you can do right now is not get in the way of his relationship with his uncle. There's no quick fix to repair your relationship with him and it's a good thing that there's another older man in the family who has his back.

Really think about whether you want a child. Having a baby isn't something to just "go along with" to please someone else. Think about whether you are going to have the energy to parent a teenager when you're approaching 70, think about the family and circumstances that this child would be born into and be honest with yourself about whether it's going to be the final nail in the coffin with your son.

ButterflySquared · 10/07/2023 08:26

I don’t know what your relationship was like with your own Mother but I have a DS and as much as he ribs me sometimes he is fiercely protective of me. There have been times when I have been upset that it has become very obvious.

@Pawpatrolsucks this is happening with my friend but she has two daughters. They are much older children, close to adulthood. The OW does not have children and the Dad wants them to be like another family unit. I think as soon as they both hit 18 he won’t be seeing them because they will choose not to. My friend remains incredibly dignified, doesn’t bad mouth at all to the girls, she doesn’t need to as he has dug his own grave.

Pawpatrolsucks · 10/07/2023 09:30

@ButterflySquared The boys were about 12 and 14 when the parents split. Dad went on about court but stopped when he realised they would just hate him even more.

Sakura7 · 10/07/2023 09:52

OP you need to understand that your son is a grown adult who can make his own decisions.

It's doesn't matter whether you think you deserve to be cut off or not, you can't force another person to have a relationship with you.

If you hurt someone deeply, you have to face the consequences of that. You seem completely unwilling to do that.

It may not be possible to fix this, and that's the price you have to pay I'm afraid.

StopMindlesslyScrolling · 10/07/2023 10:10

OP - just a quick question; do you think your current wife only wants one DC of her own or several?

Because you make it sound very much like you're having a baby to appease her, but what about if she wants baby #2, or 3 or 4 and you're approaching 60?

Have you been clear with your wife that you're trying to impregnate her because it's what she wants, rather than it being something you really want?

There's a post on AIBU at the moment about a woman considering leaving her older partner as he doesn't want more kids and she does.

Have you considered you could become a twice-divorced dad of two children by two different women, if you don't keep acquiescing to your new wife's demands?

You say you like a quiet life, but how does a parent in their 60s, with a primary-school aged child(ren) get that?

This is why the (young) age of your mistress matters.

ChubbyMorticia · 10/07/2023 11:19

@Notsossuperdad It sounds like you’ve got a massive case of Main Character Syndrome. YOU’RE happier now, so why isn’t that the most important thing? Why isn’t your son happy for you?

Actions have consequences. You can say you left his mother, not him as much as you like, but it doesn’t change a thing. Your son feels the way he feels. You, if all people should understand that, since you prioritized how you felt over everything else and had an affair that ended your marriage.

Your choices caused your son pain. You need to own that. Your happiness doesn’t negate the negative impact the affair had on son. What you want isn’t the guiding principle in anyone’s life but your own.

You’re not the one who’s been betrayed by anyone. You’re the one who betrayed others. You’ve shown your son that you can’t be trusted, that you’re not worthy of respect, because of your lies and dishonourable behaviour. It all comes down to your behaviour. You think that because you’re happy, that should be enough, that your son should love you enough to be happy for you.

That’s not how it works. The affair, divorce and remarriage didn’t just hurt your ex wife, no matter how you think it should be contained to her. Your actions sent a clear message to your son that your dick is more important to you than he is. That you’re willing and able to toss him aside for what pleases you. You destroyed the trust and respect he had for you, and there’s literally nothing you can say to make it otherwise. You don’t think you deserve to lose your son, but that’s not your choice. You didn’t prioritize his feelings before having an affair, why do you think he should care about your feelings now? You don’t get to demand what you don’t give.

trippingthelightfantastic1 · 10/07/2023 11:44

My friend sent me a link to this post as it is so close to what happened in my case she thought you might be my ex-husband! My son was the same age as yours when his father left, but we are many more years down the line. I felt compelled to respond out of sorrow and exasperation for your son, although I have no doubt you will disregard what I say as you have the other posters.

Like my son’s father, you appear to live in cloud cuckoo land and have a grandiose idea of yourself. What you need to understand, is that your happiness comes at your son’s expense. You might be able to compartmentalise your life to avoid accepting or minimise what you’ve done, but your son won’t be compliant in that charade.

Your son is 25 and is not stupid. He knows you’re human and will make mistakes and decisions he might not like. But he has a legitimate expectation that you will not make decisions or act in a way that knowingly devastates his life. You say you are happy. How can you be happy when what you have now has lost you your son, caused him pain and disrupted his childhood memories? If you are still happy despite that, then you don’t love your son as a parent should. He knows that. If you don’t act like a parent, how can you expect him to treat or see you like one?

A few things stood out in your post. The first is you saying you tried to explain to your son that you stayed for him. My son’s father said something similar. The decision to stay was yours. Trying to blame a child for being a coward and not speaking up is abhorrent. You have pretty much told him that his childhood family memories are a lie and it’s his fault that is the case. Pretty low on anyone’s standards.

The second is the line that you left his mother and not him. Your son sees himself as part of a family. You walked away from that family and now want to see him on different terms. He was blindsided yet is expected to come to terms with the fact that his family, as he knew it, has gone forever, and it was all a lie anyway. You can leave an unhappy marriage. But as others have already pointed out, you do that in a respectful and measured manner to mitigate any harm to your son and in a way that upholds the integrity of his family memories and allows him a way to navigate forward.

The part where you talk about demonising your wife is really disturbing. Why would you do that to the mother of your own flesh and blood and in the full knowledge that it will upset your son? You say she has refused to talk to you. So what? Surely you expected that would happen if you treated her and your son like sh*t and what do you care if she made you so unhappy anyway? You care because her silence reminds you of your actions and that does not suit your narrative or allow you to manipulate her into bringing your son around to your way of thinking. Your ex-wife has been left to pick up the pieces. You should be grateful that she puts your son first and does her best to make up for you behaving like a man-child. Again, had you left in a decent way and put your son first, things would be very different with your ex-wife, I am sure.

I agree with other posters that you should respect the clear boundary your son has set and leave him be. My son made clear to his father that he did not want to talk to him. I did the same. Despite that he would continuously come to one of us directly. This made things worse. Your son knows the door is open and I suspect your ex-wife will nudge him occasionally as to whether he wants to contact you or not.

As to social media usage, most people keep the things they want to show off about private, even when their joy has not come at the expensive of others. Public bragging posts are done for attention/validation/impression management and sometimes have a sinister motive. I agree with others that it is not helpful if your wife posts things that brag about your new life, not least because they only show a small part of the real story don’t they. It is all very well saying your son should not look, I expect others send them to him (people are nosey) - that is certainly what tended to happen in our case. I don’t know if your wife posts publicly for general validation (look at me and my wonderful life), or if as others suggest, it is for your son or ex-wife’s benefit to make clear she has won the prize. I fail to see how it is not the latter as you wife will know that is how it will be perceived by those that know the truth. I would be astounded if your ex-wife is jealous and thinks of you as a prize – notwithstanding what you did to her and, in your own words, she has shone without you, you have treated the person she loves the most in the world and trusted you would never harm, like a piece of sh*t. Your wife has no need to worry that your ex-wife still wants you given that, trust me. You mention you had a bond that nothing can break. Not sure what planet you live on, but I think you can consider that bond broken beyond repair.

The very fact there is a risk your son might see a post if made public, would be a deterrent for any right-minded person with an ounce of decency as it is blatantly obvious that it would deepen the wedge between you and your son. Showing off is all well and good if you have not caused harm to others. It is incredibly selfish and distasteful to show off in these circumstances. Your apathy about your wife’s posts speaks volumes. It tells your son that you care more about his wife bragging than his feelings and her rubbing salt into the wounds. Actions speak louder than words. You and your wife both know the posts will be harmful.

Eventually the pain may resile and your son come to terms with what has happened. That does not necessarily mean that your relationship will recover though. My son is no longer affected by what his father does, not because he has forgiven him, but because he is past caring and has detached from him as a parent. He sees him as an embarrassing cliché and a jackass, not a father. All very sad and unavoidable.

Turquoisesea · 10/07/2023 11:57

As others have said, you threw a bomb into your DS’s life, no one is saying you should have stayed in an unhappy marriage but the way you went about it was totally wrong. You lost all respect from your DS the moment you decided to have an affair and he’s had to pick up the pieces with his mum.

I also agree that your DW doesn’t sound nice at all. I’m sure she gives you lots of attention / sex and you are happy for now. Her attitude about your ex wife and son are appalling. To say he’s an adult and should just ‘grow up’ shows an astounding lack of incite into the hurt you have both caused. It probably suits her that you don’t have a relationship with your DS. It means she can have you all to herself. I’m sure she’s absolutely fine as she will have her family around her. Once a new baby comes along you might regret your decision, I’m sure your wife’s attention will be less on you when she’s knee deep in nappies and sleepless nights. Your ex wife on the other hand will probably be living her life without ties / responsibilities and you might find you look at her life with a pang of jealousy. All actions have consequences, no one is perfect but you’ve prioritised your own happiness over doing the right thing, eg ending the relationship before starting an affair. How your DS reacts is completely up to him and you have no control over that. He may come round in time and he may not and that’s is something you will have to accept. You may be blissfully happy but that happiness was at the expense of your son and ex unfortunately.

saraclara · 10/07/2023 13:04

The very least that your wife should do, for your sake if no-one else's, is keep her social media private and not tag you in it.

As for the rest, recent posters have spelled the situation out for you much better than I can.

You are not the main player in this situation, but you are the one who brought it about by your behaviour. Your new and happy life, that you think you deserve, has come at a cost to your wife and your son, whose lives are the poorer for your decision.

That you didn't think through the effect that your decision would have on your relationship with your son, shows that you lack empathy and put yourself at the centre of things.

Just leave him alone. You've said what you want to say to him. He knows that should he change his mind, you're there. But if you pester him he's less likely to change his mind.

saraclara · 10/07/2023 13:09

One last thing from me. Your wife and family have a lot to gain by continuing to demonise your wife and son. It wouldn't surprise me at all of your wife is deliberately keeping her SM public and tagging you. Having your son angry with you is a win for her.

She has nothing to gain from your son coming into her life. As things stand, she and the baby she's carrying have no competition for your attention.

Ilovealido · 10/07/2023 17:10

I’m sorry OP I don’t think posters have been harsh at all! I don’t understand how you can say your new wife’s age is irrelevant. Of course it’s fucking relevant! Most middle aged men don’t have affairs with women their age, that’s the whole thing about trading your wife in for a younger model. You’re deluded if you don’t think that’s relevant.
To be honest I really don’t envy the predicament you’ve got yourself in to. Your ex wife is free & I hope feels liberated & able to find happiness. Your son has his whole life ahead of him. You potentially have another decade or so of childcare ahead of you!

Littlefish · 10/07/2023 17:21

Also consider that the moment you announce that your new wife is pregnant, you will destroy any possible chance of a relationship with your son, forever.

Be very, very sure that you are prepared to take that risk.

Darkandstormynite · 10/07/2023 17:21

Is anyone else secretly shaking their pom-poms and cheering the ex wife on to have an amazing life! I think she'll come through this just fine because it does sound like she has a lovely relationship with her son. She's got so much to look forward too (family events, maybe future wedding, maybe grandchildren, maybe new life partner). She's done the hard miles and I hope she can now look forward to a more peaceful future.

I suspect the son feels the same way, he just wants those around him he can trust and to just go forward with his life.

I think the ex has got the better deal out of all this tbh. I really wish her well.

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