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Worried about Drumcree

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Dogdogdogdig · 27/09/2026 07:03

I feel like an interloper here and apologies if this isnt in the right place.

im really worried about the decision over Drumcree and I can’t see it ending well today either way.

I have no time for Jamie Bryson or Carla Lockhart and it seems that tensions have been stoked on both sides.

My parents (and one set of grandparents) were a mixed marriage - my mum and dad moved to England in the 1960s, and my granny and grandpa moved back in the late 70s/80s once they retired. Im aware I don’t have enough if a real understanding, but I have enough to be worried.

again, im sorry if this is the wrong place or offensive.

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HollyhockDays · 27/09/2026 08:33

Do you live in Northern Ireland? I’m in Belfast and I suspect / worry the Assembly will collapse now. It’s a shitshow anyway. Bring in direct rule, let “the brits” take the unpopular decisions around revenue raising and health and then run the elections next year. I’m no saying that’s the right thing to do but it could happen.

Bryson and Lockhart are the worst of Northern Ireland.

Dogdogdogdig · 27/09/2026 08:34

I don’t im in England. But I’ve been watching the news and it seems to me there will be no winners.

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turkeyboots · 27/09/2026 08:37

We have a yellow rain warning here in the NE counties of RoI. Hopefully it will piss down all morning and the sodden march will go fast.

mineallmine · 27/09/2026 08:37

It's very worrying. Can't believe we're being dragged backwards.

HollyhockDays · 27/09/2026 08:50

Deflection from Donaldson. The Parades Commission have some soul searching to do. How they can say there was no risk to the parade now when it’s been banned for years is unbelievable.

BobbleBear · 27/09/2026 09:18

I wonder how many young folk will join in or will it be mostly the over 60’s? Hopefully, it won’t be well supported. 🤞

(I’m a Brit now living down south in the Republic of Cork!)

favouriteflowers · 27/09/2026 09:27

I’m watching the live feed on the BBC! It’s disgraceful. They mention the parade was stopped but not why! No mention of the little boys burned in their beds because they were catholics! Yet she wants to mention the very few masked people! No mention of the elderly and women
who have been there protesting. No mention of the Protestants who are there protesting, who also hate what Carla Lockhart and Jamie Bryson have done! The DUP are going the right way about persuading the people of NO that Unifocation is the only way to go! Now we need the BBC to cover the Unionist farmers who continue to pollute NI water and the sleaze and corruption in the DUP. Their only way to stay relevant is to cause divide. I hope everyone of my fellow countrymen wil see through it and vote accordingly.

favouriteflowers · 27/09/2026 09:28

@BobbleBearyou hope it won’t be supported? Can you explain why a Brit living in the south thinks this?

favouriteflowers · 27/09/2026 09:33

No masked men here BBC. Just Decent people
wanting
to maintain the peace we have had for 30 years!

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turkeyboots · 27/09/2026 09:42

Ive caught up with the news now. Its a shitshow. Surprise on, then off, then late night appeal and its on again. And then the PSNI call it off due to the protesters. So now its being rescheduled and may bring down the Assembly and will make the lawyers lots of money.
I heard on the radio the Drumcree Polish community is now sizable and also anti the march.

BeanNaGealai · 27/09/2026 10:04

Given it’s now past 9.30am, they can’t legally march as the conditions required them to have dispersed by 9.30am. I don’t know are they in contravention of the conditions by remaining gathered at Drumcree church.

HollyhockDays · 27/09/2026 10:08

BeanNaGealai · 27/09/2026 10:04

Given it’s now past 9.30am, they can’t legally march as the conditions required them to have dispersed by 9.30am. I don’t know are they in contravention of the conditions by remaining gathered at Drumcree church.

That’s incorrect. They were prevented from marching under the agreed conditions so it’s not like it has “timed out”.

favouriteflowers · 27/09/2026 10:17

Carla Lockhart is on the BBC criticising the first minister for standing with Garvaghy residents. Proving her self not only to be the epitome of evil but a complete hypocrite too!

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BeanNaGealai · 27/09/2026 10:42

HollyhockDays · 27/09/2026 10:08

That’s incorrect. They were prevented from marching under the agreed conditions so it’s not like it has “timed out”.

I guess it would have to be decided by the court but I would think there would need to get new permission given they were required to disperse by 9.30. But maybe not.

HollyhockDays · 27/09/2026 10:45

No. They don’t need any more permission at this point. Because they were not able to parade they can wait it out.

MarieDeGournay · 27/09/2026 10:49

I couldn't believe my ears and eyes when I heard that the parade had been give the go-ahead, after 28 years.

And I remembered as favouriteflowers did the outbreak of anti-Catholic violence that resulted from the local resistance to the march - I've heard the figure of 21 people killed, I can't vouch for that, but how can anyone forget the fate of Richard Quinn, 11, Mark Quinn, 9, and Jason Quinn, 7, burnt to death in their beds because their mother was a Catholic in a Protestant area?

I say 'how can anyone forget?' but it's amazing how few people know about that particular atrocity.

Since we have posters on here who may not know all the background, it's worth reading up about the Orange Order, where it comes from, what it stands for, and why having it marching [and Orange parades are militaristic in style] through predominantly Catholic areas.

The Orange Order grew out of anti-Catholicism, and despite efforts to re-frame it as just a social club, and the Twelfth of July parades as a cross between the Mardi Gras in New Orleans and the Notting Hill Carnival, just without the dress sense and the good music, any public manifestation by the Orange Order carries with it centuries of anti-Catholicism, and by extension, anti-Irishism.

Historically in Ireland, 'Catholic' as a label is interchangeable with ethnicity/nationality, even though many nationalist heroes were Protestant, and even though many Catholic heroes were agnostic. It was never literally about the doctrines of Christianity, but the fact that the native Irish did not change religion during the Reformation, and the English and Scottish settlers who were sent in to replace the Irish very aggressively manifested the Protestant religion as one aspect of their superiority over the inferior Irish.

As a result, being Catholic was a clear way to assert that you were Irish not English or Scottish, and crushing the resistance of the Irish to colonisation by the British meant crushing the Catholic religion as well.

That' where the Orange Order comes in. One of the early members, William Blacker promised

“driving from this quarter of the county the entire of its Roman Catholic population”
with the result that the local British Governor Lord Gosford reported:
‘It is no secret that a persecution is now raging in this country… the only crime is… profession of the Roman Catholic faith. Lawless banditti have constituted themselves judges… and the sentence they have denounced… is nothing less than a confiscation of all property, and an immediate banishment’.

That's the baggage that would be carried down the Garvaghy Road -
'Croppies lie down'

I acknowledge that others may have a different take on the Orange Order and I have tried to be factual and fair, but am open to challenge of course!

BeanNaGealai · 27/09/2026 11:09

HollyhockDays · 27/09/2026 10:45

No. They don’t need any more permission at this point. Because they were not able to parade they can wait it out.

Has that been stated officially?

BloodyHellBob · 27/09/2026 11:11

It’s gobsmacking that the Orange Order have been allowed to march down the Garvaghy Road. I agree that it’s deflection from Donaldson and the shitshow that is the DUP. I’m 53 and remember the aftermath of previous protests, the Quinn children died in a town not far from where I grew up and many, many decent people were appalled by the actions of the few. Disruption has already started in Belfast with apparently the West Link being closed. I really hope that this march is stopped and things don’t kick off again.

Glamghirl · 27/09/2026 11:17

Carla and Jamie are undereducated low lives. I'm sure most unionists see through them now.
Michelle O'Neill is showing superb leadership.

Anonanonanonagain · 27/09/2026 11:18

I was stunned to find out this was approved and whomever approved it needs removing asap. What a way to bring us all back in time. It is a disgraceful decision and unless them orange fuckers disperse this is not going to end well at all.

Savvysix1984 · 27/09/2026 11:40

Absolutely awful decision by parades commission and the courts to even consider then agree this.
this decision and the allowing of a murderer out to attend a funeral shows the complete lack of care and due processes in the north.
this will not end well and stormont will be pulled down. The residents of GR deserve to live in peace. Walking down that road is just symbolic to the OO to show their supremacy.

pelara · 27/09/2026 11:52

Just as well this decision wasn't needed before or during the amazing Fleadh in Belfast, when everyone got together including some pipe bands and all was well.

I am also baffled at the Parades Commission decision. I just can't figure it out at all.

This march is so provocative, but I always thought that violence and hatred were just under the surface, held in place tenuously, in wait for a tinder box moment. Well I think this might be it. Hopefully cool heads and good leadership will prevail, but I doubt it will end peacefully, maybe it will today but going forward I see the old arrogance and supremacy not going anywhere any time soon.

Maybe it is a deflection from the imminent sentencing of Donaldson, I am not so sure, but if things kick off, it will take the reporting heat off that for a bit.

I can only say now that the Orange Order and the DUP have done the biggest favour to those who want a United Ireland. Although if I lived in Ireland (ROI), that would be the last thing I'd want. Why would anyone want to import this madness, and all that goes with it too?

MarieDeGournay · 27/09/2026 11:59

I saw Chris Bryant on Sky News making politician-y noises about calm on all sidesetc, which is fair enough, but he has also criticised politicians for taking part in a protest against a legal parade 'no elected politician should be standing in an unlawful protest.' - i.e. in the context of NI, Michelle O'Neill.

Strictly speaking, he's right - the OO parade was given permission to go ahead, but it's indicative of the subtlety and nuance of the situation in NI that a politician standing with a community peacefully asserting that they do not want a, offensive sectarian group to parade down their road, whether with legal permission or not, is just doing the job she was elected to do.

You could say the same about the DUP and other extreme Unionist politicians in fairness.

OldCrohn · 27/09/2026 12:07

It's awful. I spend so much time thinking we should move home to NI and raise our children around family but today is a stark reminder of why we'll stay here in the UK.
It's a disgrace how Jamie Bryson is allowed so much air time making it look like their is a legitimate mandate for this shit. Noone wants it. The polls show it more and more as the time goes on.

OldCrohn · 27/09/2026 12:09

Am I right in thinking that this is now a catch 22? It can only be called off if there's a risk of serious disorder but it's a peaceful protest so it's just really a standoff at the minute?