Belong 2 linking up with Scouting Ireland. I feel this is extremely inappropriate

[Nonpoliticalmum]

Scouting Ireland is marching with Belong 2 in Dublin Pride. Given the historical background & legal cases within Scouting Ireland I do not feel comfortable with this. Surely scouting is supposed to be non political.
Parents pay huge membership fees, surely they should be consulted.
Also they are launching a "Rainbow Award" with Belong 2 according to their fb page which has comments turned off..

@Nonpoliticalmum I have set them out several times in previous posts. The Rainbow award is a Belong to award not Scouting Ireland. You stated otherwise.

The scouting sleeping arrangements do not say what you said there is clear statement about parental consent. Again you stated otherwise.

You seem to have difficulty reading posts, including worryingly your own.

But it is blatantly obvious you are not capable of acknowledging that your behaviour of repeated inaccuracies are problematic. I have not time for people who do not be mindful of accuracy.

Thank you@Toosweetfan for the link I have added it to the be read folder with the report you kindly referred to.

Regardless of what is contained within I believe the only way progress can be made is respectful engagement. I don’t see any alternative practical considerations being offered here.

I am frustrated as I am having to fact check people who are either intentionally or otherwise misrepresenting facts.

Scouting Ireland are taking part in Belong 2s Rainbow Award & implementing in local groups. Please read this photo attached.

Parents weren't consulted! The iniative is Belong 2s & Scouting Ireland is taking part. As a parent & member I was not consulted to give consent to this

Also with the sleeping arrangements Trans kids can choose to sleep in the same accommodation as the gender they identity. This is listed as an option

Yes it says parents are consulted & yes I would be one or the "non supportive" parents Scouting Ireland referred to if approached. My children will only be allowed share with biological females on overnights.

@Marblessolveeverything I have no difficulty with respectful engagement at an adult level...though I do think that often these groups haven't been challenged enough, respectfully of course. By this I mean they have been accepted as experts and deferred to more than the actual medical or scientific evidence warrants.

Children are a different matter. They are less critical when a trusted adult tells them something is true. They need to be protected to a greater extent. (As I said, lots of us adults have been too accepting also, less excuse for us.)

As the saying goes it's not a good thing to be so open-minded your brain falls out. As a society we have been too afraid of being judged bigoted re trans issues. As a result we have failed many confused children (and others). Time that stopped.

Also I feel parents are childrens first & most important educators. No organisation has the right to overstep parents & effectively indoctrinate children. It won't be happening to my kids on my watch.

Also with the sleeping arrangements Trans kids can choose to sleep in the same accommodation as the gender they identity. This is listed as an option
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Yes it says parents are consulted & yes I would be one or the "non supportive" parents Scouting Ireland referred to if approached. My children will only be allowed share with biological females on overnights.

What is your problem with this? Your child would not share. Another might agree.

I never said anything about another child. I specifically referred to me & my children. I said I personally would be one of the "non supportive" parents they referred to.
Another child might agree but parental permission would need to be given.

@Nonpoliticalmum no your post was all about‘won’t they think of the children “and you have yet to clarify your post didn’t address the fact a statement about parental consent was clearly visible but that doesn’t suit your agenda. You appear to have developed memory issues.

And no quite frankly parents are lousy educators when it comes to sex ed and sexuality. Parents include the horrendous individuals ranting on SM about gay rights, women choosing abortion, consent being treated like a joke etc so no they shouldn’t be the only voice or opinion a child hears. History has shown that doesn’t go well for children.

Again with the fear and danger to children. Discussions don’t hurt, teens are very capable of hearing an opinion and considering it and then fact check etc.

What you are failing to understand is your children have a lot of access to information.

By organisations engaging and supporting open discussion's they are bringing that discussion to an open forum. Not a tik tok on a friend’s phone in school.

To jog your memory.

No I agreed with you & said I would be one of those "Non Supportive" parents Scouting Ireland referred to in italics in the pic attached below. If they approached me I would refuse permission, my children will share will biological females only. Other parents can do as they wish but I will advocate for my own!
I have said this numerous times after you pointed it out!

I fear it would be really difficult for a girl to speak up on this issue, given the current climate. It's hard enough for us adults, doubly so for insecure teenage girls.
I believe we should be empowering girls to say NO and have that respected. Be Kind is an important value, but not when it's only one way

But it clearly states that parental consent is required. So we are not dependent on our girls saying no. This is very much a policy that should keep everyone happy really. Unless you have a major issue that trans people exist at all of course.

If the girls say no they are told they are bigots.
If the parents say no they are told children will kill themselves.

That is utterly ridiculous. It is parental choice. The girls don’t have to say no. So you think if you tell your daughter she can’t share you will be told she will kill herself.

So you think if you tell your daughter she can’t share you will be told she will kill herself.

@mollyfolk
I think pp is saying that the suggestion is you shouldn't be 'mean' to trans kids because of an increased suicide risk in this population.

Yup.

Emotional blackmail at its finest.

Why is objecting to children being forced into celebrating pride a feminist issue?

But no-one is being "forced in to celebrating Pride".
It is there as an opportunity. In the same way so many things are in Scouting - an opportunity you can choose to take up, or you can choose not to take up.

In fact, I suspect there will be a limited number of places, so all the people who do want to might not be able to even. However, no-one if "forcing" anyone to. You are making things up to scaremonger.

That’s not what it says though. It says parental consent is required. That’s all.

As a paid up member of Scouting Ireland as a parent I should have been consulted about this controversial collaboration.
They are joining in with Belong 2s Rainbow Award. I don't agree. My dc will not be continuing unfortunately if this goes ahead. Scouting Ireland already has a robust & very clear lgbqt policy in place. Why do they need another youth organisation to hammer this in? Especially one that advocates for children to medically transition?

It's very difficult to be the parent who says no to something obviously risky when all the other parents say it's OK( because otherwise they are bigots at best, responsible for child suicide at worst)

@elgreco even the wording on the Scouting Ireland website "Non Supportive" parents the term given to patents who do not condone their children sharing with the opposite sex. Perhaps "Concerned Parents" would be more appropriate given the context of the proposed option of this sleeping arrangement.

Love the term non supportive. It not judgemental in the least.

Did I read that correctly that in the case of 'non-supportive parents' to 'contact safe guarding' ??!

Yes you did!

What on earth are SI thinking!!? I find it mind boggling that organisations involved with children just hand over their procedures to be rewritten by activists. So many volunteers on the ground in that organisation that gives up their time too. I wonder how they feel about it..

We have heard nothing regarding this rainbow award from our local group. The information on the award is on Belong Tos website & Scouting Ireland have the post on their facebook page (with the comments turned off).
I googled Scouting Irelands lgb inclusion & their trans policies. They already have a very detailed, inclusive policy in place so why the need to bring in an outside entity like Belong To to hammer it home?
Also as parents were not consulted. As you said the wonderful leaders who give up their free time to give children like my own wonderful experiences are volunteers. This is a huge responsibility to place on them especially if dealing with backlash from parents. How exactly are they implementing this rainbow award in local scouting groups?