Gender Critical in Ireland Part 3

[VaddaABeetch]

I’m watching RTE news. They mentioned the Garda representatives organisation are concerned about Gender Identity in the workplace. It’s been brought in without consultation & without training.

the Garda Commissioner has said that Garda may be disciplined for misgendering.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

[ladymactíre]

Wow! I missed a lot as I was off for few days. Went on twitter to look for Panty Bliss and found some weirdo selling used panties 🤣
Happy to find the new thread.

[LifeInAHamsterWheel]

Thanks for the new thread.

And thanks to @Genesis1v27 for the archive piece in the Times about JKR. Although it's not done my blood pressure any good to read it. A couple of quotes from it: The “movement” to which she is referring is one in support of equal rights for trans people and Rowling attempts to explain why she chose to make this battle over the rights of an oppressed minority her life’s work - This is so annoying because people who aren't aware will read this tripe and think that it's all about the poor trans people who don't have equal rights! what rights do they lack?? and how are they 'an oppressed minority' ?? HOW???

Ugh, I need a lie down.

[WaveyGodshawk]

Thanks for new thread @VaddaABeetch

[WaveyGodshawk]

I actually couldn't even face trying to read that IT piece. Blood pressure couldn't handle it!
Very interesting that the garda reps are concerned about that new policy

[VaddaABeetch]

I couldn’t read the IT piece but from what I hear it won’t age well. I noticed IT won’t allow comments on it on FB.

[RedLem0nade]

That article gave me the absolute rage too.

She’s battling FOR THE RIGHTS OF WOMEN! It’s not like she was bored one day so she sat down to flick through the Bully’s Book of Oppressed Minorities and chose one at random to pick on just coz.

And her life’s work is writing FGS.

[Genesis1v27]

https://gript.ie/jennifer-oconnells-double-standard-for-jk-rowling/

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1642156367233396739

[WaveyGodshawk]

Do they really not see the connotations of "she's brought it on herself" while speaking about a woman who has suffered extreme domestic violence like JK has? Her describing what she went through in the first episode of the podcast had me in tears.
It just makes me so sad and angry now she has been villified.

[WaveyGodshawk]

*how she has been not now

[Farmageddon]

The “movement” to which she is referring is one in support of equal rights for trans people and Rowling attempts to explain why she chose to make this battle over the rights of an oppressed minority her life’s work.

..'an oppressed minority'? FFS Men with lady-feelz are not an oppressed minority.

Also, JK Rowlings 'life's work' is an incredibly legacy of much loved children's books and crime novels, which have sold multi-millions all over the world and been turned into movie and tv franchises. That's her life's work.
But you knew that Jennifer, and you're trying to denigrate the success of an amazing woman. Shame on you.

Why do men even need to bother when they have handmaidens like this to do their work for them? So very depressing.

[Farmageddon]

Also, got a reply from Jennifer CarrollMaCWhatsherface today, claiming that she didn't actually say what she is reported as saying in the article and that what was reported is inaccurate. Not sure if she is just backtracking, or two faced or what?
Maybe she should come out and clarify what she actually said, but won't hold my breath on that.

And another response from the schleps at RTE, again stating that Pissy is not an employee of theirs, so basically they don't care (my paraphrasing). The only positive is I think I'm starting to annoy them 😀

[WaveyGodshawk]

@Farmageddon that's a bit strange isn't it. "I didn't say that but I'm not going to tell you what I did say"
Politicians eh

[HilarysMantelpiece]

Thank goodness, you have all seen the thought-void piece by Jennifer O'Connell in the I.T.

Jennifer should be wise enough to language, to be able to analyse the discourse, and recognise the inherent contradictions and totalitarian, rigid thinking used by trans activists. Painting JK as "anti-trans" instead of "pro-biological woman" is a long running slur on JKR.

Jennifer O'Connell should be wise enough to the intolerant power dynamics in Irish society to recognise that the mis-use of language is an old saw. The old power structures- "they haven't gone away, you know".

What used to be intolerance promoted by a "muscular" and deviant form of Catholicism, aided by insecure nationalism; has mutated with the same virulence but under another form.

Underlying it is an insecurity about Irish identity; an Irish identity that is more than "tiocfaidh ár lá" or "The Angelus" or "to hell with the Brits". An Irish identity that doesn't need to be the "best little country in the world....shur aren't we great?".

That insecurity surfaces when women start to talk about this issue.
It is immediately branded as "imported" "West Brit" ...but it is really a rebranding of the viral, vehement and violent distaste for biological women, that is evident when you look back at Gay Byrne's interview with Annie Murphy. Or, when you review the ordeal Joanne Hayes underwent at the hands of the State.

That's our history, for those of you who think it started at the repeal referendum.

Jennifer needs to review that, and consider if we are looking at another scandal at the level of babies in sewers and Ann Lovett.

All those scandals rest on unresolved post-colonial shame, projected on to women.

[StephanieSuperpowers]

I had an IT subscription until this morning. I don't expect to only read things I agree with, but I did not expect to read mitigation of death threats against women.

[Abhannmor]

It's hard to know whether J O'C is a really decent but hopelessly naive young woman or a clever and disingenuous spinner of words.

I agree @HilarysMantelpiece there is a lot of unresolved post colonial stuff going on. It's all very mercurial and sort of indefinable. Trans allies are performing all sorts of contortions.

They hate the culture of rural Ireland yet they use the odd bit of Gaeilge. Well it's ethnic innit?
Now they've turned on the Brits who have given them so many role models. The ingrates.

But most of them would give their eye teeth to have been born in Royal Berkshire. If Meghan and Harry walked into his bar Panti would melt into an oleaginous puddle on the floor.

Need someone like Angela Nagle to analyse this crazy shit. Unless she's Twaw too.

[ladymactíre]

I'm not sure I'm doing this right, but it's Posie Parker interview with Trish Wood, on Saturday
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5Hqdt4OCTpj1stlZOuHCHZ?si=jfVXXhVuSmKCKs96Hvxqcg&dd=1

[Farmageddon]

@WaveyGodshawk

@Farmageddon that's a bit strange isn't it. "I didn't say that but I'm not going to tell you what I did say"
Politicians eh

I'm going to email back and ask why she hasn't publicly corrected the article if that's not what she actually said, and ask what her stance is in any case.

I'll probably get another brush off, but hopefully she will squirm a bit.

[Farmageddon]

@ladymactíre

I'm not sure I'm doing this right, but it's Posie Parker interview with Trish Wood, on Saturday
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5Hqdt4OCTpj1stlZOuHCHZ?si=jfVXXhVuSmKCKs96Hvxqcg&dd=1

Thanks, will listen to this later.

[DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry]

Has anyone read much about the gardai thing? Is the current situation such that if a garda, dealing with a woman raped by an XY person with a gender recognition ceritificate, referred to the rapist as 'he' when speaking to the victim, the garda would then be disciplined, but if they referred to the rapist as 'she' that would be all correct and proper?

[Genesis1v27]

A link to the first thread, for posterity:

Gender critical in Ireland

[Genesis1v27]

@DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry

Has anyone read much about the gardai thing? Is the current situation such that if a garda, dealing with a woman raped by an XY person with a gender recognition ceritificate, referred to the rapist as 'he' when speaking to the victim, the garda would then be disciplined, but if they referred to the rapist as 'she' that would be all correct and proper?

In answer to this and @Believerinbiology's question at the end of the previous thread, the new policy document is called "Gender Identity in the Workplace" and it can be read here (link is a PDF; interestingly the link was on their publications page yesterday but is not there today). This directive appears to relate to Garda personnel at this point, though of course the general policy direction will result in Gardaí referring to male criminals as women if they identify as such, if they don't do that already.

This piece from yesterday is a good summary:

'It's wrong' - Gardai angry at new policy on gender

[DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry]

and it has been withdrawn - very very interesting

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/0404/1374153-agsi-conference/

[DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry]

Is official Ireland starting to notice what ordinary Ireland is saying? At a time when the numbers gamr in the Dail is starting to look a bit precarious.

[Villagetoraiseachild]

Read the IT article.
Before I get the rage I check the age.
The writer is only forty.
I predict she will feel and write differently in the next five to ten years.

[Genesis1v27]

Letter in the IT today, in response to Jennifer O'Connell's column:

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/2023/04/04/jk-rowling-has-every-right-to-speak-up/

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