Gender Critical in Ireland Part 3

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I’m watching RTE news. They mentioned the Garda representatives organisation are concerned about Gender Identity in the workplace. It’s been brought in without consultation & without training.

the Garda Commissioner has said that Garda may be disciplined for misgendering.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

I don't have a Twitter account, can't see the replies 😢😢

Well, folks - sorry folx😃- it has started: my local Labour Party candidate just called!
As usual it was a canvasser with leaflets first. I brought up 'women's issues' with him, as in 'we've been written out of equality legislation, which has been retrospectively rewritten to replace 'sex' with 'gender' which has no proper definition'.* He was very receptive to what I said - I wonder if it helped that he was older? and said he'd bring it up with the candidate.

Then The Candidate showed up and I just said 'I won't go over it all with you, your colleague will fill you in, but we have to get women's rights back, like repealing the GRA, because it has made a nonsense of the law. And don't let me hear 'Oh gender issues never come up at the doorstep, cos they have at this doorstep!'

All this was very good-humoured, and they both seemed receptive, I've had #bekind pushback from canvassers in previous elections - I have a feeling that the Referendum results have put manners on them😏

So get your points ready so they can't say 'It never comes up on the doorstep'!

*Followers of this thread will know that I've done a lot of reading back into the Dáil debates preceding gender legislation, and yer man the canvasser said 'You seem to know a lot about this, would you consider putting it all down on paper, it would be very useful'.
I said absolutely not, all my information is already out there in the public domain, there shouldn't be any need for me to rewrite it.
Interesting isn't it that a random member of the public knows more about the recent parliamentary history of equality legislation than a party worker..

Oh no, what a shame, they do so much for mens rights
https://www.thejournal.ie/amnesty-ireland-to-temporarily-layoff-some-staff-due-to-cash-flow-crisis-6475507-Aug2024/

Oh my, what a pity.

And They are so vocal in their support to have gender critical women silenced.

Maybe Rodrick could reroute some cash for them, he is good at that. Alternatively maybe IWC could share with them

Mary Lou McDonald said something sensible about "puberty blockers," though she calls the move in NI a "temporary suspension":

McDonald defends Sinn Fein’s stance on puberty blockers across border

McDonald said: “The suspension on puberty blockers is temporary. It’s on the back of concerns that are safety related in terms of bone density, cognitive function, brain development, potentially fertility issues down the line.

“I take the view that any treatment, any therapy, that is given to anyone, but particularly children and young people, has to be scrutinised rigorously, and the safety of people is paramount. The concerns that are held in the north are equally held by clinicians here in the south — we want and we have to get this right.”

https://x.com/TheCountessIE/status/1830314684563489037?t=MYRQ74-0fUihpwA8b_JCHw&s=19

It is actually mind boggling that the Irish govt felt it acceptable to put him in a women's prison.

We as taxpayers between the irreparable damage being done to young and the danger we are putting women in, in the work place, are going to be sued to an inch of our lives in 20-30yrs.

Another visit from a canvasser, this time the Social Democrats - see my PP for the Labour Party visit.

This time the candidate seemed genuinely surprised that equality legislation covers 'gender' but not 'sex'. He thought the laws had been 'updated' to include gender ID. Eh..no. They retrospectively crossed out 'sex' and wrote in 'gender'.

So he's going to look into it further, 'that doesn't sound right'.

He said the SD's were campaigning for a women's refuge in our area. I pointed out that there's no such thing in Ireland any more, as any man can turn up, say he's a woman, and the refuge is legally obliged to admit him.
The candidate had a bit of difficulty getting his head around that - 'But there's nothing for women at the moment, we need to build something'
I said it would not be a refuge for women if biological males were let in, so what's the point? OK so I was exaggerating there, but..

I'm kicking myself that I didn't say 'The violent abuser of one of the women in the refuge could self ID as a woman, and legally he'd have to be let in' but I've only just thought of that 😠.

So, another candidate who doesn't know the reality of women's legal situation here, and another candidate who can't say 'Gender issues never come up at the doorstep', and another candidate who seemed open to revisiting gender issues.
Progress?

Well done.

I have had nothing yet except for a leaflet from SF explaining the difference in the immigration plan to the government plan.

Nothing else just that on the leaflet obviously sent around before 7am

Explains the dog growling and barking earlier

I've had a few leaflets left in our wall-mounted post box. Nobody has bothered to ring the bell - they clearly don't want to actually engage with any of the electorate in my area!

It sounds as though they didn't believe Harris's repeated assurances that there won't be an election this year. Surely people working in politics should trust politicians to speak the truth.

Or perhaps as politicians they are well versed in double speak.

I can't see an election until February at earliest by time dust settles they will be off for St Patrick's day and SH will get to give the Shamrock to the new President

Yikes @MarieDeGournay@MarieDeGournay@MarieDeGournay I don't know why I tagged you 3 times but I can't delete it!!!!
I haven't been on this thread for a while but I was trying link this this from Women's Space Ireland

x.com/WomensSpaceIre/status/1844444368662639020?t=JBaMaXpHNzLI76T9Huvwug&s=19

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/jury-sworn-in-for-trial-of-barbie-kardashian-22-accused-of-threatening-to-kill-or-harm-number-of-people/a1207916800.html

https://archive.ph/lPyI5

At least they're not pretending Kardashian is a real woman. And that photo is definitely worth 1000 words.

Kardashian is an extremely troubled individual. I would think the central mental hospital would be the most appropriate place for incarceration.

Wow...wonder if the independent have changed their overall stance (reporting Barbie as born male) or if that article is going to disappear shortly. Still can't get over the fact that a male who has a demonstrable pattern of violent and threatening behavior to women was placed in a female prison. Hopefully rules have changed now but I fear that it was just the "bad publicity" that led to him being moved.

I don't tnink the other trans identifying males were moved so probably a combination of bad publicity and the prison officers' union threatening industrial action if they weren't protected.

I'm guessing about the union bit. I don't know if they stood up for their members.

The unions are a bit hit and miss, a lot are on the whole TWAW gig.

I am inclined to think that bad publicity, and potentially unsafe work environment.

A few recordings of the abuse and any decent employment lawyer could go to town with the prison service & Justice Department.

That's OK, MaeveofConnaught, you know what they say about New York, New York 'so good they named it twice' so that makes me super-dooper

Thanks for posting this, I hadn't seen it. As one commentator says, 'A biologist believing that ‘trans women are women’ is like an astronomer believing the earth is flat.'

I'm outraged, of course, but also a bit sad that a successful, obviously intelligent, woman who has done a lot of researching and reading and analysing of complex ideas is so overwhelmed by #bekind that it clouds her ability to even use language correctly:
“Science doesn’t tell us right and wrong, we have to figure that out ourselves. My rule: above all, be kind. Trans women are women.”

She is mis-using the words 'right and wrong', she's using them in the moral sense; she is right, science doesn't tell us what is morally or ethically right or wrong. But the other meaning of those words is 'correct and incorrect' or 'factual or non-factual', and that's exactly what science is about.
And what she should be about, as a scientist.

I look at this and I lose the respect that I would otherwise have for her.

There aren't many women who become Chair of Evolutionary Genetics in a prestigious university, fair play to her, so it's sad that she can also be such an eejit.

It's so depressing when clever women betray us.

Report on todays proceedings in the Kardashian trial
https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2024/1022/1476831-barbie-kardashian-court/

The journal has seen fit to report on the trial but fail to give the accurate information that this is not a womans crime and don't even mention that BK is trans and from what I can see didn't report on day one presumably because so much of the discussion on day 1 was about the fact that BK is trans and shouldn't have been in a womens prison and they want to ignore that fact https://www.thejournal.ie/woman-threaten-rape-limerick-prison-barbie-kardashian-6521754-Oct2024/

The journal is as "TWAW and anyone who disagrees is a hateful transphobic bigot" as it is possible to be.

I stopped looking at The Journal a long time ago, for that very reason. I have however opened that link and sent an email to their corrections team about it. I am so fed up with women being misrepresented. How many people will read that article and believe that it's about a woman? Ugh, I'm just so fed up with it all.