Gender critical in Ireland

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Just wondering if there are many others out there. Was reading a political pamphlet and it was going on about self ID and how important it is. I just don't agree and think it's so damaging to change the definition of what a woman is. And the definition of a man too, I guess. Sex based rights are under threat in Ireland. Fed up with all the nonsense. Wondering what other Irish mumsnetters think.

I’m very disappointed in Sarah McInerney. This started as a conversation about womens right and legislation changing how we are referred to to include men. Yet wherever I see reference to Liveline this week it’s all about transphobia. This is BS. Yet again women are shut down and silenced for speaking up. I have to say I admire Peter Woods. I’m sure legal were all over it but he handled those questions v well. If Sarah McInerney is towing the wine party line then I’ll switch to Newstalk.

My Dd has two friends who are/were trans. One has always been a tomboy and is now a boy, however the family and grandparents were not to be told why she/he now had short hair. The other was all over it to the point the mother went to the all girls school in Sept to ask them to use the new male name. A month later she was back to being a girl and it was all quietly dropped. In her case my Dd suspects it was attention seeking that backfired.

There are new girls daily with shorn hair. I really feel for these kids and what’s ahead of them. You don’t have to be into makeup/fashion/boys etc to live a full rich live as a girl. I’ve had the whole ‘x things she’s bi’. My reply is tell x to come back to me when she’s actually had a relationship or even kissed a boy or a girl. This was when x was 11 ffs.

I was a teen/young adult in the 80s. Cropped hair, jeans and heavy boots was a not-very-obscure counter culture look for women and girls. When I see it now, in fact, I think, has that poor kid been brainwashed with gender nonsense. Hopefully she's just looking how she wants to look and that's it. I bloody hope so.

Likewise. And I still wear a variation of the same look, if I were a teenager now I would for sure be swept along with it all. When the reality is I'm simply a woman who isn't girly.

It does seem to be the girls sadly that are pushing this shit especially the younger age group. My son is leaving his single sex School this year. Despite trans stuff be forced down their throats not 1 boy over the last 6 years has declared themselves a girl .A few Boys have come out as gay or bisexual so is not like they are all closeted. It seems to be rife amongst The girls though. The biggest Supporters seem to be around 15 and its Very Important to Them.

Always been a fan of Mick Clifford

I think the girls are making a desperate break for release from the expectations of girls today. I think we've failed them, we older women, by not pushing harder for women and the breaking if stereotypes. It seems to have solidified with porn etc. Our foremothers told us not to indulge these porn soaked losers but we didn't listen and now young girls are fleeling.

Here's a great thread:

twitter.com/poetsoup/status/1537368762348883974?t=z1jC8Mtb9RiTFAvkhI2qBw&s=19

That is a great thread, thanks for sharing.

My mind still boggles that the oireachtas are hauling RTE in. How have we ended up in a position where biological reality and our belief in it is hateful. It's a frightening world for teenage girls these days.

So they're not calling in RTÉ any longer - probably don't want to amplify the mistakes of the past few days which have appeared to peak every non activist person in Ireland.

Curiously, Brendan O'Connor has a young trans person on to tell their story this morning. So they are doing their penance.

@almondfinger you're completely right in terms of children making grand pronouncements about themselves. They barely know they're alive and are making life altering decisions. Over 18, do whatever you want, but let kids just be kids. I don't understand an ideology which suggests that gender and sexuality is the most relevant thing about oneself. I think these are the least interesting things about myself, personally. I'm a woman and I think I'm heterosexual. So what? I have more to offer.

Teen age girls will be the ones who really get thrown under the bus if the removal of women as a sex class continues.

Women are being legislated as bleeders to avoid saying "women and P.S. any female who was issues a GRC as we made a mistake when we decided to pretend the GRC did not remove these female's rights in sex specific legislation ".

The politicians known there is a problem yet are still looking to push to add a GRC for birth up.

Companies will jump on "men get pregnant too" like it is the second comming, and all the bleeders will find that the ejaculators end up in senior management.

Notice the push to have the post-birth leave which should be about the recovery of the mother be rebranded as being something the father should share rather than give fathers leave too? What was that called? birthers leave?

How about the idea to vote to remove the protection mothers have in the Consitution?

RTE better focus on being the "National Broadcaster" because people are not willing to pay a licence fee for just the soap content.

It's very interesting that the only people referred to as women in Irish legislation could turn out to be trans women.

Anyhow, the genie looks like it's out of the bottle.

He stressed repeatedly that they were booked before the furore. I think Brendan O'Connor is probably personally on the side of reason in this but like so many, can't say so.

That interview was interesting. The young person spoke well & their story moving. However, listening to the awful situation they were put in, as a young teen, transitioning about whether to freeze their eggs or not, was upsetting.

Individually, I wish that transman all the best. But there are serious & concerning issues which need & warrant discussion. How will life pan out for that person in terms of relationships? Will he be able to come to terms with a choice made as a teen to forgo having biological children?

We don't know the answers because we have no data and longitudinal studies so show what will happen in the longer term.

The effrontery of the Pride & allied groups who made a statement ending their partnership with RTE - allowing discussion on a topic is the remit of the state broadcaster. It's unbelievable that expressing concerns of women is seeing as being transphobic, by definition.

On RTE radio the day after, Chair of TENI Sara Phillips, was interviewed. They speak with a deep, clearly male voice, and there was no reference to them being anything other than a woman, she/her pronouns used. It's an utter cognitive as well as ideological nonsense.

Egg harvesting bring up the problems around surrogacy and the pre-planing to remove the baby from its mother at birth.
Plus the ethics of a fertile female is asking a woman to risk her life or health to carry a baby to term because the female made an active decision birthing a baby was "tradable" / less desirable than other life choices.

I wonder if TENI habe filed accounts yet with an breakdown of how much and to whom it made related party payments to staff/senior management?

What worries me is that this has now become about trans rights and women have been erased again.

Good news on the swimming front though.

Hi, I am glad to see this thread. I feel completely without a voice on this issue. I thought that the Liveline programs would start a debate on including the word woman in the Maternity Act. But all the coverage was about how hurtful the programs were to the Trans community.
I think Eilis O'Hanlon was the only person who actually understands what it was about.
I honestly believe the overwhelming majority of people in Ireland would support the word woman being in the Maternity Act, and also leaving it in women's health care.
But, people are so worried about other issues that are affecting them now, cost of living and housing, that this isn't something they think about too much.
I look at France and see the rise of far right parties such as Marine LePen, and I think that this is what happens when ordinary people are left feeling so voiceless.
I always voted FG but I don't think I can ever bring myself to do so again.

I don't think there's anyone I can vote for at all. They're all up to their necks in this. None of them are even vaguely interested in representing women.

I live in Meath and I intend to hold politicians over the coals. My advice is to do any small defiant action you can. Even if you don't feel comfortable publicising stuff on social media, you can ask difficult questions and refuse to be cowed. I'm not quietly accepting this. Fuck that. Do it for your daughters.

www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/06/20/we-need-to-see-the-manufactured-debate-on-trans-rights-for-what-it-is-nonsense/

Una Mullaly in today's Irish Times. She lost me at cis women. No comments allowed, as is increasingly the case in ANY article to do with trans rights. What are they so afraid of? Common sense perhaps....

Irish media must utilise common sense to understand that our reality – where the Gender Recognition Act has existed in legislation for seven years – does not need to fold in on itself by importing phony discourse.

• 1 Child sex abuser (male with GRC)
• 1 Want to be rapist murderer of female family member. (male with GRC)
• 1 Garden variety violent drunk pub brawler. (male with GRC)
• 1 head hair cut, not as newsworthy as scrotum hair removal (female with GRC)
• Females self ID out of reproductive rights and out of single sex legislation.
• Female who wants to ID as male (GRC?) campaigned to remove of the legal term woman from Cervical Cancer care.
• Bleeder legislation
• the decision pass legislation to remove the word woman from pregnancy related legislation.

I am sort of forced to agree with Una, sort out the home grown problems first.

God, that Irish Times article is infuriating!

Una Mullally has form on this. She writes deeply unfair & inaccurate pieces, often highly personalised, on a range of topics. Good journalism it isn't.

Agree that Eilis O'Hanlon wrote well in the Sindo

Just as a general comment - the Times has completely gone to the dogs. I don't bother reading it now.