Refugees

[InayaWoo]

Am I wrong to feel the people of this country are using the "Cost of Living" narrative to justify not helping migrants and refugees who seek refuge for themselves? Neglecting our British values, passing the buck to Rwanda and European countries. The attitude towards those fleeing war zones and risking everything to come to this country on harsh waters is outrageous!

I was in the corner shop today and over heard a couple of women making digs about foreigners. To make unjustified claims such as "it makes us unsafe", "we don't have jobs" or my personal favourite - "they don't integrate into society." What on earth has happened to our British values? To make others feel welcome and to help others in need of help!

Every human has a right to safety, affordable housing, food, water, education and a healthcare system. Those are all things our wonderful country can provide and quite frankly has a moral obligation to provide for those coming from other parts of the world that aren't as fortunate as us.

To make unjustified claims

Are they unjustified? There was a study released by a Scandinavian country I believe recently which followed x families granted asylum decades ago. The statistics for crime, refusal to learn the language and not working were very clear and extended to the second generation also

Every human has a right to safety, affordable housing, food, water, education and a healthcare system. Those are all things our wonderful country can provide and quite frankly has a moral obligation to provide for those coming from other parts of the world that aren't as fortunate as us.

The UK can't even provide those things for its own citizens. Try needing something and being told you can't have it due to budgets or a availability, even though you meet the legal definition of being entitled to it.

The government assesses people and only some of them have the right to those things from the UK, the rest will have their asylum request denied. So no not "everyone" has the right to it.

I get what you're saying about those values, I share them myself, but I'm not sure they're British values any more. Daily, although I see kindness sometimes, I also see an awful lot of selfishness as standard and a lot of people who won't help others at all not even their own friends and family never mind strangers.

All you can do is be the change you want to see. Getting outraged about it doesn't help anyone, including yourself.

That’s more bigotry than anything, I come from a Middle Eastern country and that is completely wrong!

That’s more bigotry than anything, I come from a Middle Eastern country and that is completely wrong!

How is you coming from a Middle Eastern country at all relevant to what @anotherdayanotherpathlesstravelled posted?

You can't possibly say that's 'completely wrong'.

@InayaWoo there was no mention of Middle Eastern countries, where did you get that from?

@InayaWoo

The statistics were clear. An uncomfortable truth for many I would think

You might not like it but the statistics don't lie

And you are incredibly naive to believe they are all fleeing war and persecution

The Scandinavian study is specifically about Muslims.

The Scandinavian study is specifically about Muslims.

And is your Middle Eastern country taking them all in, clothing and housing them?

why don’t you work on them first and let us know how that turns out.

They have a right to choose where they go, like my father before me did. Europe is vastly richer as well.

I think the cost of living crisis and all the problems in this country (NHS, housing, schools etc etc) is making people think that we don’t have the resources to look after those fleeing. In actual fact the govt could choose to sort things a lot better- start building council houses etc. but at the moment it’s all so mismanaged that we are not in a great position to either look after current residents or future residents! it’s a bit
of a mess really.

@InayaWoo

The principles of the study remain the same though.

The outcome of the study showed that in that country those women making "digs" would be statistically correct

It doesn’t change the fact that refugees have the right to be here and that should be respected. The study was clearly biased.

Yes, I can. It is wrong.

Given the main news story this week, people are justifiably upset and angry.

An asylum seeker, allowed into the UK because of 'British values' attacked a defenceless woman and a toddler, resulting in horrifying injuries. We are yet to find out exactly why he did it, but clearly that man's values aren't very 'British' are they ! He hasn't assimilated into our way of life. There is no justification for attacking a 3yo like that.

Let things calm down a bit, the criminal justice system will run its course and people will be less fired up.

Well said.

From Government statistics for last year

The latest estimates on migration from the Office for National Statisticss_ (ONS) suggest that in 2022:
• 1.2 million people migrated into the UK and 557,000 people emigrated from it, leaving a net migration figure of 606,000 as of the end of June 2022. This represents the balance of long-term migrants moving in and out of the country.
There is no way that social housing can keep up with this level of immigration. I agree that most of these migrants arrive to work so they need to be properly housed but there is no way that Local Authorities and the Government can provide that many houses. 600,000 is equivalent to a city the size of Bristol, Leicester or Sheffield.
The UK in terms of housing cannot sustain the need for that level of housing.

We need to start helping the women, children, families suffering war and persecution who do not have the means to get here. If we actually helped people most in need to gain asylum and stopped taking young male economic migrants who want an easy life people wouldn't have these views.

Sorry, the UK cannot sustain the requirement for that level of housing year on year.

To be fair, most of the migrants coming here to work deserve proper housing and facilities. Some of the young male refugees who are just looking out for themselves do not deserve the same level of support.

@InayaWoo do you honestly believe they are all fleeing war ?
What about the fact that 4.2 million children are living in poverty in the UK ?
British values atm mean nothing , British families don't have homes, while families live in B&B.
People have to use foodbanks.

You can’t pain all with the same brush, these people are in need and deserve an opportunity to start new.

Don’t you think those fleeing war are more of priority? I believe we deserve equal rights and opportunities. Most are fleeing war, but other reasons are very valid.

British values have been exploited.

Equal rights.