Refugees

[InayaWoo]

Am I wrong to feel the people of this country are using the "Cost of Living" narrative to justify not helping migrants and refugees who seek refuge for themselves? Neglecting our British values, passing the buck to Rwanda and European countries. The attitude towards those fleeing war zones and risking everything to come to this country on harsh waters is outrageous!

I was in the corner shop today and over heard a couple of women making digs about foreigners. To make unjustified claims such as "it makes us unsafe", "we don't have jobs" or my personal favourite - "they don't integrate into society." What on earth has happened to our British values? To make others feel welcome and to help others in need of help!

Every human has a right to safety, affordable housing, food, water, education and a healthcare system. Those are all things our wonderful country can provide and quite frankly has a moral obligation to provide for those coming from other parts of the world that aren't as fortunate as us.

@InayaWoo
You seem very muddled about UK law and indeed the statistics with regard to migrants and refugees.
All refugees are not treated in the same way. In fact uk citizens are not all treated in the same way. Children are always the top priority, a mother arriving with young children is going to be ahead in the queue for housing compared to a single young man.
You keep making extreme statements but they are not part of UK law or even part of the UN Declaration of Rights.

Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection. Article 25

The fact that you claim that your culture thinks differently about issues makes not a jot of difference to Uk or UN law. There are Muslim countries which have laws that are abhorrent in the UK. In settling into host countries, refugees have to accept the law and they cannot act differently because they do not accept UK laws and the treatment of women.

@InayaWoo

I think you are just being goady now . I have worked with Muslim women who do not enjoy the freedoms that British women do . They are often living as their husbands expect them to .

You will have a totally different perspective on refugees because your father was one.
It's ridiculous to expect the indigenous population to think the same when we have so many social problems already , lack of housing being the main one .
Rather than decry British for not doing enough you'd be better putting your energies into making these Middle Eastern countries better so millions of people don't want to leave .

I agree. And I don't read the Daily Mail.

Every human has a right to safety, affordable housing, food, water, education and a healthcare system. Those are all things our wonderful country can provide and quite frankly has a moral obligation to provide for those coming from other parts of the world that aren't as fortunate as us.

How many are you thinking of op?

Who is the magical ‘we’ who should be helping them?

My personal experience from the 100 or so men who have been housed at a hotel near me is that a few of them are decent and want to integrate with local people.

However the majority of them certainly don’t. The local school has a huge problem with them congregating outside at home time and harassing the girls to the point where there is police presence every day now.

A father had to physically restrain one man who was trying to touch his 12 year old daughter inappropriately.

There have been several accidents where men have stepped out in the road trying to get cars to stop to give them a lift to the town. My friend had someone step out in front of her to get her to stop and when she did another man tried to force his way into her car.

Fortunately they are being moved now but they have caused an awful lot of trouble for people who want to come here to integrate and be good members of the community.

Muslims are not all the same. In different areas the cultural habits somewhat merge with Islam and misreading of the book creating "Islam" most other muslims look at with raised eyebrows. So there is no umiformed muslim culture. Like for example none of the muslims I know agrees with "Islam" practiced by Taliban (obviously since Islam doesn't forbid education) . Even scholars are trying to explain to them that's not right.

Good job on goading though on Sunday morning. Very clear aince some of your arguments are very questionable and don't sound like you know what you are really talking aboutm

'Every human has a right to safety, affordable housing, food, water, education and a healthcare system. Those are all things our wonderful country can provide and quite frankly has a moral obligation to provide for those coming from other parts of the world that aren't as fortunate as us.'

Who is pay for it?

Have you ever had any experience of being homeless in the U.K. if you were born here? Have you seen how many homeless people there are? Veterans that have served and contributed to our country are sleeping rough.

You have absolutely no idea.

@InayaWoo do you really need it explaining to you why we don’t need thousands and thousands of undocumented men arriving each year? And yes, it’s mostly men who arrive illegally.

We all contribute our taxes in the 5th wealthiest nation in the world. People are people, that’s all I’m saying.

Bollocks I have never ever met a second generation immigrant who doesn't speak English by aged 5.
You realise that there are no ESOL classes in most places anymore. They were all cut back when I used to work with asylum seekers and refugees. I would spend hours trying to find classes for people who desperately wanted them. Asylum seekers aren't allowed to work so I had families of educated people (doctors, nurses, teachers) living on what is now about £47 each a week for utilities and food. For years. How do you afford lessons on that?
Most people I worked with were desperate to find a job, learn English and do something productive. It's soul destroying to be in no mans land. Especially if you have been traumatised by war/violence and persecution. People need more support not less.

So no borders for you then. Sounds like it would be successful

If you could swap with a woman in Afghanistan would you?

After all it’s just be luck you’re here and they are there

but what is classed as poverty in the uk is considered luxury in other areas of the world - we are not actually poor here, everyone has access to food, running water, flushing toilets, etc. Every child is offered an education.

We are taking in far less than our fair share of refugees, that is true

Well said.

@InayaWoo

You sound like a very young idealistic teenager with no grip on reality . I'd quit before making yourself look even more silly .

@InayaWoo

That’s bigoted. Those cultures work very differently, the man is the provider and therefore supports the family

I think that this is part of the problem. It's mostly young men coming over at the moment. They have been brought up with different values. I don't think many are fleeing war.

Unfortunately we have a cost of living crisis & people just want to know they can get a house, a place for their child in school, a GP.

If you're from the Middle East I would be interested to know how much financial help I could get if I arrived uninvited? Would I be able to get housing, school place, free healthcare? How would locals feel if my family took housing away from a local family? That's what is happening in some places & those people who are in already poorer communities are expected to suck it up & are told they are racist if they don't want a large group of migrants living next to them.

I'm unaffected by people arriving but can sympathise with those who have to live in areas where there are large groups of asylum seekers.

What are you doing personally to help refugees @InayaWoo ?

So what are you doing to help [p? Housing them? Feeding them?

Campaigning for the government to help them.

There’s a charity where you can house refugees

Are you interested?

Me personally house them?

Did you sign up to house Ukraine refugees feeling war when the government asked for help? If not why not?

Seem OP doesn’t actually include herself in the magical ‘we’ who have to do something. A couple of emails to the government is quite sufficient.

Thank you for your observation but I’m a married mother of three, not that it matters.

Yes the charity will help you connect and house them

This 👆 they probably voted for Brexit as well. They wanted to “make Britain great again” or some such bollocks. Wonder how that’s working out for them….