Covid vaccine, to ask if this makes you worried?

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www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-19/largest-covid-vaccine-study-yet-finds-links-to-health-conditions?leadSource=uverify%20wall

I'm double vaccinated, had 2 Pfizer but reading articles such as the above and seeing people in the news dying of sudden heart attacks and blood clots makes me really worried.

If I could go back in time, I'm not sure I would get vaxed without waiting for further research.

Anybody else?

I’ve had eight vaccines so far and having my ninth next spring. I’m not worried at all.

What worries me far more is the way our right wing press (e.g Telegraph) are presenting scientific data to push an anti-science agenda.

There seems to be a growing sentiment where people don’t want to live collectively, don’t think our current government are right wing enough, and I now see troubling news about Farage.

Following an emergency situation, people are pushed to become insular, self-protective, to doubt and to question.

I hope that doesn’t result in a world dominated by the likes of Trump/Farage/Putin.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/02/health-secretary-release-data-covid-vaccine-excess-deaths/

I actually am worried now to be honest. This is my anecdata, but I have lost work colleagues and seen friends develop odd issues. I have told myself it’s been Covid and coincidence thus far.

Same. I may have had 5-6 though.

The bottom line is that no medication or vaccine is 100% effective or 100% safe, and everything has risks and benefits. But any risks from medications and vaccines need to be balanced against the risks of the disease you are trying to prevent. For example, the risk of myocarditis/pericarditis from COVID-19 is six to 11 times higheropens in a new tab or window and is associated with a more severe clinical presentationopens in a new tab or window than the risk from the COVID-19 vaccine.
COVID-19 has killed over a million people in the U.S. and has led to permanent disability in many others. The vaccines are very safe overall, and the benefit of the vaccine still definitely outweighs the risks. Fear mongering headlines serve only to harm, not help, public health.

It’s not fear mongering. Bloomberg aren’t a sensationalist website.

I am one of vanishingly rare people who had a severe vaccine injury. It needs to be brought into the open. I’ve been unable to leave my house independently for 2 1/2 years. I’d quite like some compensation for how badly I’ve been harmed. Not the crap vaccine damages payment which is impossible to get.

Peopke with your attitude are preventing people like me accessing help. And are encouraging the government narrative of keeping everything quiet.

l support vaccines. There needs to be an open narrative.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

I wasn’t referring to Bloomberg - I was referring to how our right wing press would report, sensationalise, misrepresent such a study to fuel a political agenda.

Yes, this is the biggest problem😟

Im in a vaccine injury group. They all think Andrew Bridgen walks on water. It makes me want to leave the group. But it’s helpful for other things .

Look what damage the panic over the MMR vaccine has done. Measles, having been eradicated is on the rise again.

https://news.sky.com/story/another-70-suspected-measles-cases-in-uk-as-who-warns-of-alarming-rise-in-spread-of-the-disease-across-europe-13054777

Much more likely to be Covid @BeethovenNinth than the vax.

And unfortunately, both this paper and the conservative are now well versed at using tactics to stroke fear into the population for whatever advantage they can see.

I am vaccine I injured too. And like most of the people I know who are, I believe Covid is much worse than the vaccine.
The issue the pro vax stance face is the fact that vax was sold as THE solution, as full proof and safe. And it’s not in the way other vaccines are (let’s say like DTP) so the balance doesn’t feel as obvious.
Also worth remembering that not all vaxs are the same etc… too!! Just now, if I could, I’d have the Novavax. But I won’t dare going from being housebond to being bed bound .

@beguilingeyes that but also the fact our immune system has been repeatedly weakened by Covid infections. (Hence the rise other illnesses like tuberculosis too).

blue I am just as concerned by the impact of Covid. One of my (unvaccinated) DCs developed shingles after Covid and she is was little. This wasn’t isolated.

but I think if the data is there in relation to vaccines then it must be released. Otherwise people lose trust in the entire system and then their backs on other vaccines.

if people have died due to taking a Covid vaccine then we need to know this.

I agree about releasing data.

I just think, seeing the huge amount of issue re doing the same thing for other vaccines, that the picture won’t be the true picture anyway so it will used to defend agendas instead 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

What I mean by that is that doctors are generally vey reticent in acknowledging someone has had a reaction to the vaccine unless it happens there and then and is pretty obvious.
So they don’t generally fill the Yellow Card to report them. Any issue is put down as ‘one r those things’, coincidence etc….

Then there is issue with diagnostic. I developed daily headaches just after the vax. Not relieved by painkillers. It’s only after doing my own research, seeing a cardiologist privately etc… that I was diagnosed with POTS. And yes treating POTS helped with those headaches. But it took months to get a diagnosis and for me to make the link. It’s unlikely to accepted as a ‘negative outcome’ from the vax iyswim.

It is an issue with all vaccines though and is very well known. The fact negative outcome is under reported is both a cultural (with medics) and political (we want people to be vaccinated) issue.
I fear that concentrating on the % of negative outcome will only be used to other ends because of that.

This was happening long before COVID.

Opinion on the Telegraph article shared previously :

This article by Camilla Turner is a great example of how antivax talking points are laundered into the mainstream by those trying to claim excess deaths are being caused by vaccines
They claim they need data on dose and deaths, worth noting this has come from McVeys anti-lockdown APPG and UsForThem whose founder is supporting Bridgen and RFK Jr
However I'm not certain what data they claim is being withheld as data on dose and death stratified by age is publicly available from the ONS
There is shed loads of official and real world data on vaccines from around the world
This effort by McVeys APPG and UsForThem seems entirely aimed at appealing to an anti-vax audience and to create a sense of distrust and unease
Unsurprisingly in this other article by Sarah Knapton the Oxford academic just so happens to be Carl Heneghan
Worth noting this is a 3/4 year pattern from the Telegraph
Camilla Turner, who is mentioned in the #HARTleaks as having been in contact with UsForThem since mid 2020 published an article on Tracy Hoegs VAERS dumpster dive
However Hoegs paper was a piece of junk, BTW Hoeg is now on Florida's antivax surgeon general Ladapos ethics committee alongside GBD authors
It was an awful piece of disinformation
The Telegraph was quite happy to platform Bridgens nonsense even when it was clear he was heading down the rabbit hole, as they have platformed so much disinformation, antivaxxers and conspiracy theorists they helped create the cult he joined
Considering UsForThem were essentially an initiative set up by the Telegraph via Alison Pearson

Our family has had zero vaccines and for us (including 82-year-old mum) it was just a few shivers and a head cold. On the contrary, two friends in their 40s, plus a friend's daughter, now have heart problems after two Pfizers. Friend's mum had a heart attack and died a week after her vaccine, another friend's father had a stroke 30 mins later (doctors said it would have happened anyway eye roll). The vaccine compensation scheme speaks volumes.

@Marmunia106675

That's awful. Is that all in your area? You're in a literal scientific anomaly. I'd get in touch with the press or something. Your group is bucking all worldwide stats. Condolences.

It’s almost like someone is trying push… an agenda or something 🤨 Bit like the woman who used to comment on every Facebook post about how the vaccine killed five of her friends…

These ‘friends’ could be from an anti-vax group or community. I think if you have those views, or communicate with others who share those views : yes you’ll hear all sorts of extreme things. Or have those in the group who have a strong bias/agenda. The safest view is the consensus view.

I imagine anyone who didn't follow the consensus view of "safe and effective" on oxycontin isn't feeling too much regret...

The marketing material all stated that "less than one percent get addicted", there must have been a lot of "literal scientific anomalies" 😂

@AreYouVeryAnti

The point is that the consensus view then changed with further research. It’s still the consensus view either way. Also proves that there is no ‘cover up’ or ‘big Pharma’ : if drug companies continue to monitor the safety of their medications and inform the public if their consensus view on safety changes.

And you can’t take an exceptional case to prove your point, without addressing the fact that the other 99% of medications would continue to be ‘safe and effective’.

Someone's been watching TV

On the other hand...

Covid vaccines cut risk of virus-related heart failure and blood clots, study finds | Medical research | The Guardian