Covid vaccine, to ask if this makes you worried?

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www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-19/largest-covid-vaccine-study-yet-finds-links-to-health-conditions?leadSource=uverify%20wall

I'm double vaccinated, had 2 Pfizer but reading articles such as the above and seeing people in the news dying of sudden heart attacks and blood clots makes me really worried.

If I could go back in time, I'm not sure I would get vaxed without waiting for further research.

Anybody else?

Can you please show me where I said they don’t exist? Of course they exist. They’re so rare that it would be unlikely for anyone to know more than one person who had suffered one though, which was my point.
It’s you being toxic with your ridiculous ‘you said you don’t know anyone with one so you’re saying they don’t exist’ nonsense.

@cardibach I work in a hospital and have come across loads of people who had issues. Also am related to and know well a few with life changing health issues post Covid vaccine.

Working in a hospital is a skewed sample though, isn’t it? You’re going to meet more sick people than usual. If you know ‘ a few’ with life changing reactions to the vaccine in your personal life you’re a statistical anomaly.

I have had 5 jabs and would again and will have every booster I am offered. All medication has a risk even paracetamol and aspirin. The benefits far outweigh the miniscule chance of a serious adverse reaction from the vaccine..
The chances of severe illness including blood clots are higher from COVID infection than from the vaccine
Without the vaccine and people willing to be vaccinated we would still be going though the pandemic.

Seeing that 10% of people who have had Covid develop LC, I’d say you know many more than just 1.
But most people dint actually know what LC is (and its 200 ish symptoms). They think it’s like carrying on having Covid when actually it’s not. It can be MH problems, fatigue, sleep issues, PEM, headaches, pains, digestive issues etc etc….
They dint make the link between them struggling with their memory and Covid.

There is also a huge reluctance to say they haven’t recovered.
And the same imo happens with the vax. Hard to acknowledge something you thought was great etc etc actually deeply hurt you. Knowing there is always some ‘unlucky few’ doesn’t help. Even less so when medics are extremely reluctant to acknowledge a vax has had negative side effects on someone - true fur all vaxs and was the case way before Covid came to the fore

@Thedance we are still in the middle if the pandemy.

We still have waves of Covid. We still have excess deaths. And more importantly imo we still have people getting disabled from a ‘mild’ case.

Yes our governments are acting as if there was nothing going on whilst taking all the protection possible for themselves.
But it’s still there. It hasn’t gone away. And it won’t for many years to come.

I said disabled, not affected.

I wouldn't have another.

And the fact that they’re 4-5 years older and spent a decent part of 2 of those years indoors and inactive

@cardibach what do you call being disabled?

Scaremongering reports make people start scaremongering threads.

They shouldn’t have though.

Even lockdowns didn’t stop people going out and exercising. I mean my own dc started running in the first lockdown and hasn’t stopped.
You could walk, cycle etc…

Unable to walk without aids. Unable to work. Problems with eyes. Chronic fatigue. Heart issues.
In this particular case.

The people who were able to embrace lockdown to start a hobby were lucky. Many older people, parents, Key workers didn’t or couldn’t. Many people ended up unhealthier at the end of lockdowns than they were before, for a variety of reasons.

So that covers well all that I was mentioning then.

Glad to see we are on the same page.

Life insurance data produced by actuaries (the most accurate type of data since it is essential to get the risks correct if insurance industries are to make money), shows that there has been 1 severe adverse event requiring hospitalisation from the C-19 vaccines per 800 doses.

This is doses, not people meaning that if you have had two doses your risk is 1 in 400, 3 doses, 1 in 266 etc, etc.

This is not what I would call a safe vaccine, particularly not so for young people who are at a negligible risk from Covid. And why we ever encouraged our children to get this vaccine really beggars belief.

I am a statistical anomaly. We have 3 sudden cardiac deaths in our immediate circle of friends and family since 2021, two of these young men under 40 (not proven nor disproven to be vaccine related).

I have a good friend who has suffered from severe neurological symptoms since the day of her first Pfizer jab. To the extent that her muscular tremors leave her unable to walk without sticks. I also have a work college left unable to work for 18 months now since brain fog and extreme fatigue appeared within 3 days of her Covid vaccine. Her doctor claimed long-Covid, but it was 9 months after she had Covid - and fully recovered, but within 3 days of her vaccine. She knows it's the vaccine but is struggling to get anyone medical to acknowledge this.

I've had eight vaccinations, still here!

To be fair, so are the vast majority who have had Covid, either with or without the vaccine.

@Holly678 where is that data from? Surely hospitals would have been overrun with people after having vaccinations

From the insurance industry data produced during 2021-22 by the actuaries who work for the industry. I remember reading about it at the time, but can't find it on a Google search just now.

Hospitals are over-run now and were at the time if you remember. Excess deaths in western nations are currently at unprecedented levels.

It seems that, in the last couple of months, we are (finally?) back under the level of expected deaths.

Which is good news.

Tbh I’m more concerned by LC and the level of disability in the country.

Yes, because the ONS has recently re-classified the way they measure excess deaths.

But excess deaths in other Western countries remain way above the norms.

Yup. Statistical anomaly.
I know nobody.
None of my teacher friends working in schools all over England and Wales know any.
None of my other friends know any.
There are, unquestionably, cases of vaccine damage. There are with every vaccine (and every medical intervention). To know so many given the absolute numbers (and the experience of loads of other people) is hugely anomolous. Also it proves nothing.

Link?
Edit: also, those seeking to minimise covid would have it that a 1/100 risk of that being serious was negligible. Can’t have it both ways.