Covid vaccine, to ask if this makes you worried?

[lingo1234]

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-19/largest-covid-vaccine-study-yet-finds-links-to-health-conditions?leadSource=uverify%20wall

I'm double vaccinated, had 2 Pfizer but reading articles such as the above and seeing people in the news dying of sudden heart attacks and blood clots makes me really worried.

If I could go back in time, I'm not sure I would get vaxed without waiting for further research.

Anybody else?

My son only had 1 jab as he started getting chest pain after. This was years ago now and he still suffers with it at least weekly to this day. It has never been reported as being directly from the vaccine but he was advised not to have more, just in case. When you ask was it the vaccine, they just say they don't know.

I worry how much information was not recorded on adverse events. I had heart inflammation within a week of an MRNA vaccination. The case was recorded and reported by the hospital, as they did a lot of testing to rule out other causes. But it was recorded as resolved and mild, whereas the inflammation took a long time to go down and has life long impacts from the scarring. The alternative to not resolved would have been death or a transplant, which does not reflect the real world situation of leaving the cardiac ward but living with a lot of problems and follow-up. There is a very high bar for a vaccine injury to be accepted and then only components of the injury may meet the threshold to be recorded. Mine was (parts of it) because I was in hospital, but I know of others with less severe injuries who struggle to prove it without the intensive blood tests and series of follow up MRIs. The lack of diagnosis prevents effective treatment and limits understanding of the issue.

Do you know you've never had covid? Some people apparently are completely symptoms free. My kids teenage don't appear to have had it but I do wonder if they have.

If you're completely symptom free then you've never had COVID. COVID is short for Coronavirus disease which some people develop after being exposed the virus Sars cov 2. If you don't develop symptoms, even if you test positive then you still don't have COVID. To be fair, the language used can be confusing. The tests should not be called COVID tests because they don't test for the disease, they test for recent exposure.

A lot of the "events" of sudden deaths etc which are being reported in the news were happening anyway; heart disease is the most common cause of death, and is in the top ten causes at all ages even for younger people.

This has not changed since 2018. But the traffic on news articles about sudden deaths has increased because antivaxxer groups have been sharing them like mad and that leads to an effect where these articles which would have at one point been minor pieces of local interest have become more likely to draw clicks and that means they get reported more and suggested more by algorithms.

And as others have said, it was a choice between the vaccine or the virus, it does still seem that the virus was the riskier choice. Yes, adverse events should be investigated, but the existence of them doesn't mean that the vaccine was a conspiracy to harm people. Remember that choosing not to take something is not a neutral choice either.

A lot of the "events" of sudden deaths etc which are being reported in the news were happening anyway; heart disease is the most common cause of death, and is in the top ten causes at all ages even for younger people.

This has not changed since 2018

Well that's not true. Multiple sources, including the British heart Foundation state that premature deaths from heart disease has risen year on year since 2020 and is at the highest level since 2011. Even the vaccine companies admit heart issues can be a side effect. Obviously the increase won't all be down to vaccines. COVID itself and lack of access to health care will all have contributed. But let's not pretend the vaccines haven't caused heart issues in some people. There's plenty data out there to say otherwise.

I know of loads of people who have had adverse reactions to the vaccines. Glad I didn't have any.

Dh and I never had any of the vaccines, so no, we are not worried about ourselves (we’ve had covid twice, both times fortunately mild for us)
I do worry about my mum though, she has had several of the vaccines but was still very unwell with covid after having the 1st jab. Her health has never quite been the same and she keeps catching colds. Is it linked? Of course we don’t know, but my mum refused to get any more boosters.

Yes l know.

But somehow it has been ignored with Covid vaccines and brushed under the carpet. So l got another as there was no acknowledgement of the first vaccine injury.

All vaccines can cause CF l believe. But no one will acknowledge the Covid vaccine will. Until this report.

No, because this is not new news. Much as I am, in general, unimpressed with the UK health service, I am grateful my mother's GP rang her to impress upon her the importance of NOT having the 2nd COVID vaccination, because it would likely kill her. (In her case, the first vaccination caused significant health problems.)

This is also why we should loudly defend those who ask for more information/evidence regarding medical treatments instead of shouting them down and accusing them of being crazy anti vaxxers.

Glad to see that this has been moved to —nutcase corner— the Covid board

Thank you for sharing. That is amazing she was warned. I was in hospital after my first MRNA, questioned whether to have a second as at the time it was still advised. The primary GP said ‘ wait’ while another said it would ‘protect’. There was so much rubbish spouted, such as a ‘one in a million chance, it won’t strike twice’. The cardiologist strongly warned against it and said the worst effects they had seen were cumulative.

It is insane that it is possible to have a vaccine injury and yet be called an anti-vaxxer.

I had covid again (4 times now) just before Christmas. I was so poorly, horrendous breathlessness, but I was ok in the end. I think I’ve had the vaccine 6 times now. I’m grateful for it.

Not worried at all - having been front line during covid and saw the illness at its most devastating I would rather take my chance with a vaccine that has a small increased risk!

All vaccines and medications have a risk of something.

I think that people who have had heart issues get them quite soon after the vaccine?
I had 2 but if I get a heart issue now surely it's unlikely to be from the vaccine is it?

See that makes no sense to me. You had 6 vaccines, still managed to get COVID 4 times and pretty badly. What on earth are you grateful for?
I've had no vaccines, had COVID once (also in December) and was back at work on day 5. No respiratory symptoms at all, unlike all my vaccinated colleagues who all had Covid at the same time, they did all have quite severe respiratory symptoms lasting weeks. I'm no conspiracy theorist. I was just never happy with available safety data so chose not to have them. I'm only pointing out what I've seen around me.

I'm still not convinced. I think in years to come we will hear about many more studies about how the covid vaccine has contributed to sudden deaths, heart attacks and clots. Before 2020, I don't recall hearing about any people dropping dead for no reason, yet now it's often in the news and you can't help but wonder. What I'm saying is I know these events always happened, but there's no denying you hear about it more now.

I have had 5 vaccines (last one in October last year). Health care worker, so not in a vulnerable category.

I do not regret getting the vaccine at all. I saw what covid did to people at the beginning, and it was not just the elderly/alreasy unwell people who became seriously ill.

Every single medicine or vaccine has side effects in some people. Medicine is always risk based - you weigh up the risks of the medicine relieving or curing your symptoms agains the risk of an adverse effect. When administering a medicine (vaccine) to billions of people, it only stands to reason that a small proportion of those people will have side effects.

Having seen what I saw, I weighed up the risks of having the vaccine against the risks of contracting covid itself. I chose the vaccine. And if it’s offered again to me this winter, I will choose to take the vaccine again.

Hi

We were all worried and still are. However, on the basis of risk, we've had all of the jabs.

Even the foods we eat processed and non-processed, f knows what is going into the grounds and animal feeds

So-called fresh good products from overseas and UK as well, there are restrictions of what you can put into the ground but one would be naive to think the rules are followed to the letter.

I had no idea gin and banana bread was so deliciously dangerous!

Even though it hasn’t prevented you from getting Covid or being very poorly from it?

@lingo1234 where do you hear about people dropping dead for no reason. And let’s face it how many of us looked at health/death statistics before COVID

Depending which country you live in, unless you have one of the health conditions listed in tables 3/4 of the Green Book, the age relevant eligibility for the spring booster is 75
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-spring-2024-and-future-vaccination-programmes-jcvi-advice-4-december-2023/jcvi-statement-on-covid-19-vaccination-in-spring-2024-and-considerations-on-future-covid-19-vaccination-4-december-2023

I am jabbed as work in NHS have asthma and so is OH is 68 so he gets jab too. Having just had pleurisy and covid and still coughing after 2 lots of antibiotics I would rather take my chance with jabs. It has floored me this time . last had COVID in 2022. I am 62. I am now fatter, due to no exercise just found out I'm re diabetic too.
OH has had COVID pneumonia and spent 12 hours in casualty with millions of others. Had a temp of 40, was confused and couldnt walk . Oxygen sats of 91. He still has shadow on lung but is slowly getting better. And hes missing his daily walk as he gets short of breath.
Both of us have been ill since beginning of the year so far 2024 has been S----y.
So I'll take my chance with vaccine. I realise if you are young its a bigger risk. Several younger women I know are concerned about their fertility and the jab as periods were weird after it. However DS girlfriends period were weird after COVID which she got 4-5 times. There are risks to everything in life.

Read the small print on a packet of Paracetemol. It might terrify you. i've had five Covid jabs and I'm happy for them to keep coming. I've seen what Covid does to people.

Not bothered. I've had 8 vaccines
A medication I'm on had a massive thing about how it doubled your risk of cancer

The stats of the study were something like
Without meds, 1 in 1000 developed cancer
With the meds, 2 in 1000 developed cancer