Covid vaccine, to ask if this makes you worried?

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www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-19/largest-covid-vaccine-study-yet-finds-links-to-health-conditions?leadSource=uverify%20wall

I'm double vaccinated, had 2 Pfizer but reading articles such as the above and seeing people in the news dying of sudden heart attacks and blood clots makes me really worried.

If I could go back in time, I'm not sure I would get vaxed without waiting for further research.

Anybody else?

And the new calculations have a 0.1% difference vs the old ones. That’s not it.

And so does the fact you know no one who has been injured by the vaccine btw….

There’s been a compensation scheme in place since the 1970s. It’s not new.

Proves nothing? Quite. Anecdote does not equal data.
I’m not a statistical anomaly though.

I’m possibly an anomaly but I know 4x young, slim women under the age of 30 who have had pulmonary embolisms. Including my 21yo dd who wasn’t even on the pill. But of course it could equally be covid as much as the vaccine 🤷🏻‍♀️

But almost everyone who was vaccinated still got Covid. So a risk from Covid, PLUS an additional risk from each vaccine dose taken.

They had a lower risk of problems from covid though. And (anecdote again, but even so) I haven’t had covid since I was vaccinated.
Any sign if a link for those (massively counterintuitive) statistics yet?

You mean the one where you have to be 60% disabled to get any support? As per this guy who has been left high and dry?

That’s the one. Never said anything else about it other than it existed way before the covid vaccine

I had 3 vaccines. Got Covid after my third, while pregnant and was pretty unwell. I dread to think how ill I would have been if I didn't get it. So no, not worried. Grateful.

UKHSA vaccine surveillance data was showing by summer of 2022 that cases of Covid (per 100,000 in each age bracket) were higher than in the vaccinated population than in the unvaccinated. So you were more likely to have Covid if you were vaccinated. Coincidentally this is also when the UKHSA stopped publishing Covid cases by vaccination status data. I wonder why?

What was the death or serious outcome rate?
Anything about people eligible for vaccines at each stage that might have an effect?
Any sign of those other statistics yet?

That's because so many people had been vaccinated . It's a simple numbers thing. The best thing to look at is the number of deaths & hospitalisations. They fell off a cliff when the vaccines were brought in.

No, it was the rates per 100,000 people in each cohort, and the vaccinated were getting more infections per 100,000. It is a rate, not an overall number, and the rates of infection were higher in the vaccinated across almost all age bands. But then the UKHSA stopped publishing the data. Why would they stop doing this?

Most of the vulnerable were vaccinated in December 2020 and very early 2021 and Covid deaths spiked later in February of 2021, before rapidly falling off again, just like any other mostly seasonal virus, and just like the initial wave in 2020 fell away all by itself (without anyone being vaccinated). So very little to do with the vaccines. It did the same in countries that did not lock down as well, rising and falling naturally. Gompertz curve is the technical name for this.

@Holly678 of the vaccine is so bad why aren’t we seeing the scenes in ICU that we were at the beginning of the pandemic

Because almost everyone has now had Covid, many multiple times, and hence they have accrued a significant degree of natural immunity / protection to it. And like most viruses, Covid has evolved to become more transmissible, but far less serious.

And it was only ever a select few ICU's that were busy (the ones the BBC liked to feature heavily). Most hospitals were quiet during 2020 because most of their routine stuff was postponed - leaving staff plenty of free time to perform Tik Tok dance routines. The nightingales or emergency morgues were never needed. My neighbour who was an oncologist spent most pf lockdown at home riding his bike. But now in 2024 he is busier than I have ever seen him. He tells us that the level of stage 4 cancers currently being diagnosed are off the chart.

I think your second sentence is wrong. The majority of people had been vaccinated by 2022 which is why the majority of people with Covid had been vaccinated. If you have a group of eight men and two women and all ten catch Covid you can’t say men are more likely to catch Covid.

edited, ok seen your next post saying it was per 100,000. That wasn’t my understanding at the time but I accept I could be wrong.

What do you not understand about a rate? The number of people who tested positive for covid was higher per 100,000 in the vaccinated cohort. It was lower per 100,000 in the unvaccinated cohort (a separately counted cohort). What do you not understand about this? It is fairly basic maths.

Because people are dying suddenly now.

And a far higher percentage dying suddenly at home

I’m more scared of Covid than I am the vaccine, I have caught Covid twice, both times resulting in a rheumatoid arthritis flare that took 4-6 months to recover from.

Today's telegraph. It is clearly a very delicate issue. Given that it came out less than a year after covid, and the line is very blurry now. I'm and not and never have been scared of covid. There are many other far worse diseases that will take a human out of this world quicker. It's not the short term effects but the long term effects that were never tested like other vaccines.

And that study above was run by the industry, using scientists with declared conflicts of interest and with funding from the vaccine manufacturers. Still, it suggests that:

Moderna (Dose 1/2): • Swelling of the brain and spinal cord: Almost 4 times (400%) increased risk (first dose) • Myocarditis: 3.48 times increased risk (first dose) • Pericarditis: 1.74 times increased risk (first dose) • Myocarditis (Second shot): 6.1 times increased risk AstraZeneca: • Blood clots: 3.23 times (320%) increased risk • Guillain–Barré syndrome (could lead to paralysis): 2.49 times increased risk • Pericarditis (Third dose): 6.91 times increased risk Pfizer: • Myocarditis (First dose): 2.78 times increased risk • Myocarditis (Second dose): 2.86 times increased risk • Myocarditis (Third dose): 2.09 times increased risk Moderna (Further doses beyond the first): • Myocarditis from the second shot: 6.1 times increased risk • Pericarditis (Fourth dose): 2.64 times increased risk • Myocarditis from the third dose: 2.01 times increased risk This study conducted by the Global Vaccine Data Network (GVDN) looked at a cohort of 99 million vaccinated individuals.

The increased risks were compared to what was expected based on pre-COVID-19 vaccination healthcare data, or in simpler terms, if you did not receive the jab at all.

Safe and effective eh?

I don’t understand how the cumulative risks work. Given many people have had three or more, how does that work? Presumably you don’t add the numbers up?

@Holly678 'suggests' and 'increased risk' doesn't mean anything unless you know what that baseline risk is. If it's .001% and now .01% (ten times increase if I remember math) then I'm not worried.
Also, to take one off your list, those who have had Covid under 16 are 37 times higher risk, and 16 to 39 year olds are 7 times the risk of myocarditis as those who have not been infected. So the three times seems an acceptable risk from some vaccines.