DS tested positive - can we travel to Majorca?

[Siezethefish]

DS has tested positive with a PCR - we are in Wales where they still do them. He has symptoms but was testing negative (and still is) with LFTs. He has been double jabbed so meets the entry requirements.

We are due to fly to Majorca on Friday.

To travel to Spain you have to fill in a questionnaire and state that if you have symptoms you will self isolate for a week

The Mirror is saying that the self isolation requirement has been removed

Can anyone advise on whether he can
a) travel
b) must self isolate?

thanks in advance!

@Cantonet

You would have a strong possibility of killing some passengers due to your sheer irresponsibility. Like my elderly parents in their 80's with heart issues, who haven't had a holiday for 4 years, due to illness and are desperate to visit their place in Mallorca. Or anyone immunosuppressed or on Cancer treatment.

Recommendation for your parents > FFP2. Why relay on others for our own safety?

@Cantonet

You would have a strong possibility of killing some passengers due to your sheer irresponsibility. Like my elderly parents in their 80's with heart issues, who haven't had a holiday for 4 years, due to illness and are desperate to visit their place in Mallorca. Or anyone immunosuppressed or on Cancer treatment.

Strong possibility of killing some passengers? She wasn’t planning to crash the fucking thing. People on chemo (and people who are really old and already in ill health) weren’t generally jetting off to Aqualand and actually had to be quite careful before February 2020.

You're a horrible fucking person. I'm leaving this thread, it's upsetting me now but I hope your holiday is shit and you end up sat next to someone with Norovirus

That's lovely: you seem a very calm and balanced person.

Some of you lot really need to move on. It's not 2020 anymore.

@SexyLittleNosferatu

You're a horrible fucking person. I'm leaving this thread, it's upsetting me now but I hope your holiday is shit and you end up sat next to someone with Norovirus

That's lovely: you seem a very calm and balanced person.

Some of you lot really need to move on. It's not 2020 anymore.

Correct. Now in 2022 we have a new virus which can only be kept at bay with multiple vaccines a year.

We have governments who are failing to invest in air filtration which means a huge number of this population will end up with long covid, brain damage and heart damage.

Everyone is pretending that covid is the flu. It is not. It’s not like the flu either.

@Watapalava

Ok Giv advice to stay home with covid ends on Friday

It ends

People are not advised to stay home

People who are vax so not need to test to fly
Tests aren’t even available from Friday - symptoms or not- so half the bloody flight could have covid

Those who are now seriously at risk of covid are also seriously at risk if a cold or flu so honestly I won’t be giving them any more thought - presumably they will always be at risk if flying - covid or something else

1 in 4 are asymtomatix so at risk need to stop relying on others testing

Except those "seriously at risk of Covid" are NOT equally at risk of cold or flu because Covid is NOT A FUCKING COLD

Putting aside the squabbling and moral judgments, people with omicron are at their most infectious 1-2 days BEFORE symptoms begin, and for 2-3 days afterwards.

The majority of passengers on the plane will not have had a PCR or LFT, and it is entirely likely that some will be unknowingly carrying the virus. The OPs son could be the least infectious person on that flight.

Sadly, if you are ECV or are determined not to get covid, a plane is not the place for you.

Except those "seriously at risk of Covid" are NOT equally at risk of cold or flu because Covid is NOT A FUCKING COLD

Think that you'll find most of those at risk from covid are also at risk from flu.. hence why they got priority with the vaccines and also they're given antivirals if they catch the virus.

You like it or not it's 2022, time to move on, we've got vaccines and medicines. Some will die, sure , which is unlucky but also some die from flu and other viruses and until 2020 I hadnt seen people wearing face masks or staying a home if they had some cough.

[quote shinynewapple22]@MossyBottom have airlines now dropped mask rules then? We flew to Spain about 6 weeks back and airline said at that time that everyone still needed to wear them . Maybe it's airline specific ? [/quote]
Many have dropped them recently depending on destination. Certainly Jet2 have dropped them for my flight to Spain.
I will be wearing FFP3.

I mean when testing stops then there will be people on a plane with covid
Testing doesn't stop. The change is that you have to pay for tests like every other country in the world. It's just the same as the law on isolation ending. You are still advised to isolate. Just as you are advised not to send a child to school with D&V or chicken pox. It's not the law.

The very least you can do if flying with covid is to wear a good mask.

Whatinthelord
“I didn’t even realises you still had to test to go abroad (I’m not flying anywhere so haven’t looked). I assumed that had finished like the other restrictions ( very rarely see people wearing masks in shops etc).”

Neighbour just back from Italy and still very strict with masks also has to be the right mask , she said everyone was wearing them .

Anyone getting on a plane with a positive pcr is just selfish . Covid is not a cold !
Neighbour did say no one wore them on the plane even thou they were making passengers buy them from boots before boarding .

Two holidays cancelled over the last 2 years thanks to covid , kids disappointed and money lost but no -way would we go mixing near others with it esp on a plane. Its beyond selfish.

@EasterIssland

Except those "seriously at risk of Covid" are NOT equally at risk of cold or flu because Covid is NOT A FUCKING COLD

Think that you'll find most of those at risk from covid are also at risk from flu.. hence why they got priority with the vaccines and also they're given antivirals if they catch the virus.

You like it or not it's 2022, time to move on, we've got vaccines and medicines. Some will die, sure , which is unlucky but also some die from flu and other viruses and until 2020 I hadnt seen people wearing face masks or staying a home if they had some cough.

Covid creates an increased risk of death for all of us without vaccines

As our vaccines wear off (for those who aren’t CEV), how long a gap is safe before we need another one?

We don’t know. So actually there will be needless deaths which could impact even you.

Long covid is a huge risk for a previously health population.

There’s an increased risk of heart disease for everyone regardless of risk factors and regardless of how severe the infection was. So you can be a healthy 30 something with no underlying conditions and have a 10% chance of long covid and increased risk of heart disease.

That’s not a fucking cold and goes some way to explain why some people wear masks in some settings!

Including myself. I’m just recovering from covid and no, it’s not like a cold. And I’ve had the flu once in my life - I don’t want this every year.

It could be massively helped by investing in air filters. Then it won’t cost more down the road to treat all the needless cases of heart disease and long covid.

Why are all these vulnerable people flying? Why not choose not to get on a plane?

Over on the Boris thread most MN are completely the opposite way.....Boris did nothing wrong, everyone broke lockdown rules, no one cares anymore anyway because there is a war in Ukraine.

Most the people on the plane won't take a precautionary LFT or PCR just in case....because they don't want it to be positive. The same as most people don't wear masks in shops or at the theatre any more.

We all now have to live our lives as though people are walking around with the virus. Which they are.

Just came from Majorca. Terrible weather and very windy. Much warmer in the midlands when we left 😅

Masks are mandatory everywhere still. You can still travel if you don't tell anyone cause they dont require negative tests. However
www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain/coronavirus strongly indicates that you shouldn't but they don't flat out say not allowed to.

would you go on a plane or mix with D+V or chickenpox?

I agree with the other poster people do this all the time. They go to work/shopping/cinema/send their kids to school etc with illness, to think otherwise is very naïve. I'm not condoning it but to think that everyone considers the impact of others is just plain daft.

@Mumdiva99

Why are all these vulnerable people flying? Why not choose not to get on a plane?

Over on the Boris thread most MN are completely the opposite way.....Boris did nothing wrong, everyone broke lockdown rules, no one cares anymore anyway because there is a war in Ukraine.

Most the people on the plane won't take a precautionary LFT or PCR just in case....because they don't want it to be positive. The same as most people don't wear masks in shops or at the theatre any more.

We all now have to live our lives as though people are walking around with the virus. Which they are.

Good point, in fact while we’re on this line of reasoning, why should we help people in wheelchairs get to upper levels in buildings, why don’t they just stay on ground level? Why should schools avoid allergens in food, can’t allergic kids just stay home? If only people were less inconvenient.

Surely it's your own fault for testing him in the first place. I wouldn't have. 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

Good point, in fact while we’re on this line of reasoning, why should we help people in wheelchairs get to upper levels in buildings, why don’t they just stay on ground level? Why should schools avoid allergens in food, can’t allergic kids just stay home? If only people were less inconvenient.

Not sure this analogy works. By providing a lift in a multi-storey building, the building becomes accessible to all. No one loses. Same with listing allergens.

With covid there is no solution where everyone is a winner. It’s about harming the fewest people possible.

Restrictions to limit freedom because some people might have covid end up harming everyone.

@EasterIssland

Except those "seriously at risk of Covid" are NOT equally at risk of cold or flu because Covid is NOT A FUCKING COLD

Think that you'll find most of those at risk from covid are also at risk from flu.. hence why they got priority with the vaccines and also they're given antivirals if they catch the virus.

You like it or not it's 2022, time to move on, we've got vaccines and medicines. Some will die, sure , which is unlucky but also some die from flu and other viruses and until 2020 I hadnt seen people wearing face masks or staying a home if they had some cough.

Oh I agree it's "time to move on" @EasterIssland but not move on knowingly bringing a Covid-positive child on an airplane; that's appallingly selfish behaviour.

I'd imagine by your "some will die, sure, which is unlucky" comment, that you lack empathy for people who don't share your good health.

There's such a thing as having a conscience and sense of common decency to others, even if they are less fortunate than you.

@SpainPorFavor

Good point, in fact while we’re on this line of reasoning, why should we help people in wheelchairs get to upper levels in buildings, why don’t they just stay on ground level? Why should schools avoid allergens in food, can’t allergic kids just stay home? If only people were less inconvenient.

Not sure this analogy works. By providing a lift in a multi-storey building, the building becomes accessible to all. No one loses. Same with listing allergens.

With covid there is no solution where everyone is a winner. It’s about harming the fewest people possible.

Restrictions to limit freedom because some people might have covid end up harming everyone.

Alright let’s let everyone on the plane then, whether you’re positive for covid, leprosy, TB, you name it - climb aboard!

@L0stinCyberspace my son can go to school, my son can go to work , but my son cant go on a plane ? not even with a ffp2?

I take from yur comments you've never gone anywhere with a cough, just in case someone next to you has got a worse health to yours and could potentially die if they caught it?

Op in all honesty if I were you I'd go. But then we've never tested anyone in our family ever. We're in wales too. I'd love to be a fly on the wall if Drakeford knew about this thread 😂😂😂

@SexyLittleNosferatu

You're a horrible fucking person. I'm leaving this thread, it's upsetting me now but I hope your holiday is shit and you end up sat next to someone with Norovirus

That's lovely: you seem a very calm and balanced person.

Some of you lot really need to move on. It's not 2020 anymore.

In my opinion anyone who does get on a plane knowingly infected with Covid has a total lack of moral responsibility.

Perhaps for you "not 2020" means you have no societal obligation to others.

[quote EasterIssland]@L0stinCyberspace my son can go to school, my son can go to work , but my son cant go on a plane ? not even with a ffp2?

I take from yur comments you've never gone anywhere with a cough, just in case someone next to you has got a worse health to yours and could potentially die if they caught it?[/quote]
Except it's not just a cough. Not just a cold. But that's not really getting through to you is it? Crack on being morally bankrupt and dense.

@Mumdiva99

Why are all these vulnerable people flying? Why not choose not to get on a plane?

Over on the Boris thread most MN are completely the opposite way.....Boris did nothing wrong, everyone broke lockdown rules, no one cares anymore anyway because there is a war in Ukraine.

Most the people on the plane won't take a precautionary LFT or PCR just in case....because they don't want it to be positive. The same as most people don't wear masks in shops or at the theatre any more.

We all now have to live our lives as though people are walking around with the virus. Which they are.

So I shouldn't fly for a holiday, ever? Because vulnerable/immunocompromised for some people is for life

It's ok for people to say well do this do that; modify your behaviour but that ends up with
No food shopping in person, no gigs, no bars, no theatres, no restaurants, no holidays, no shopping.... I'll wear an FFP2 mask and stay away from people as long as I can but eventually I would really like to be able to go for a meal and some clothes shopping

Wow. Lots of people are going to really struggle come Friday.

I hope you don’t set foot on a bus or use any public transport? Because that’s far more risky than a filtered plane journey.

Get it in to your heads - there will probably be Covid positive people on every flight you get at the moment. Nobody is testing. Every time I have got a flight recently I have had the message that I am a close contact. Strangely I never actually picked up Covid from a flight.

Your kids go to school? Far more likely to get Covid in a classroom than on a flight. Concerts/ restaurants? All riskier.

But no people won’t be testing and there will be Covid on planes and you won’t know. So stay at home and don’t go anywhere if you don’t what to take that risk.

OP, you shouldn’t have done the PCR. I’m so relieved we can finally go on holiday without testing. And no if my child had a runny nose I wouldn’t test. And I guarantee with the risk of losing thousands of ponds for a sniffle very few people will be performing unnecessary tests. That’s the reality now and you make your own decisions on whether you want to travel based on that reality. Not assuming the plane load of people will all just go and pay for a PCR when they don’t need to!!

Of course lots of people are going to struggle. There are people willing to deliberately infect them!!