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Siezethefish · 2022-03-30T16:47:09+00:00

DS has tested positive with a PCR - we are in Wales where they still do them. He has symptoms but was testing negative (and still is) with LFTs. He has been double jabbed so meets the entry requirements. We are due to fly to Majorca on Friday. To travel to Spain you have to fill in a questionnaire and state that if you have symptoms you will self isolate for a week The Mirror is saying that the self isolation requirement has been removed Can anyone advise on whether he can a) travel b) must self isolate? thanks in advance!

WTAFFF · 31/03/2022 07:45

It’s threads like this which make me think we are never getting out of this mess. This is it now - high cases and hospitals under strain forever.

I’m actually worried about getting ill with something else because you can’t get any decent treatment for most things because of covid.

Thisismynamenow · 31/03/2022 07:45

So incredibly selfish.
It's one thing going to work with symptoms/covid because there is no sufficient isolation/sick pay. Thats needs must to survive.
But to openly choose to go on holiday Is selfish to everyone else in that airport, plane and resort.
It may be milder but its still making people so sick they can't get out of bed for 4 days, last thing people want when they're on holiday in a foreign country.

TheRealityCheque · 31/03/2022 07:56

@Duracellbunnywannabe

gov.wales/self-isolation#section-86588

It doesn’t say if it’s guidance but it doesn’t suggest it’s optional.

The word "should" very much suggests guidance.

Legal requirements are worded as "must".

[AUTO]jj6l6l0wdihf0 · 31/03/2022 08:16

My good friend recently visited her family in her country of birth. First time she had been able to go for 2 years. Was really careful up to point of departure. PCR tests before she went (negative). Tested positive for covid 3 days after she arrived and spent the rest of the holiday in hospital on oxygen. She was (and still is) very unwell. She most likely caught it on the plane.

Iwonder08 · 31/03/2022 08:16

Legally you can. Reality is all the people on the plane one way or another will be exposed to covid during their journey on the plane, airport, trains etc. I wouldn't judge you if you go

Wizzbangfizz · 31/03/2022 08:27

The hysteria on this thread! Given the prevalence of it there is a very high likelihood that in whatever setting you are in you will be exposed to someone who has it either asymptotically or knowingly. People have to weigh up their risk and act accordingly whether that is fair or not that is the situation and the reality of living with covid.

MrsBillyNoJagNoMates · 31/03/2022 08:34

I don't understand the logistics of this?
How is he going to prove he is vaccinated?
Will the positive PCR not 'suspend' his covid pass?
Or that doesn't happen anymore either?

orangina01 · 31/03/2022 08:43

I'm truly horrified that you are asking this. We are travelling to see vulnerable family this weekend and to think people would knowingly get on our flight with Covid leaves me feeling devastated and completely petrified we'll pick it up and pass it on to elderly parents... who we have seen once in three years. But I guess my kids and their grandparents don't matter as long as someone gets a holiday in the sun. The state of the world is so sad.

EasterIssland · 31/03/2022 08:46

@MrsBillyNoJagNoMates

I don't understand the logistics of this? How is he going to prove he is vaccinated? Will the positive PCR not 'suspend' his covid pass? Or that doesn't happen anymore either?

Op hasn’t said the age. Under 12s don’t need to proof anything

ItsLisaLou · 31/03/2022 08:48

@Wizzbangfizz

The hysteria on this thread! Given the prevalence of it there is a very high likelihood that in whatever setting you are in you will be exposed to someone who has it either asymptotically or knowingly. People have to weigh up their risk and act accordingly whether that is fair or not that is the situation and the reality of living with covid.

Please don’t ever call it hysteria. Some of us have lost friends and family to this - in my case a 28 year old pregnant friend, and her baby.

Still in shock about it.

How can we stop tragedies like this from happening? By minimising the overall risks.

Now to your point, yes, life still needs to go on, which means people have to weigh up those risks. Which is why when they consider a plane ride, they assume people without symptoms will fly as planned, people with symptoms will get themselves checked, and people with POSITIVE RESULTS will stay home. That’s perfectly reasonable to assume. So if that expectation can’t even live up to reality, the onus, I’m afraid, is on the selfishness of some unfortunately not great people in society, like the OP. It’s not on people being “hysterical” who are just trying to survive and make judgements based on entirely reasonable assumptions.

Pootle40 · 31/03/2022 08:49

[quote [AUTO]jj6l6l0wdihf0]My good friend recently visited her family in her country of birth. First time she had been able to go for 2 years. Was really careful up to point of departure. PCR tests before she went (negative). Tested positive for covid 3 days after she arrived and spent the rest of the holiday in hospital on oxygen. She was (and still is) very unwell. She most likely caught it on the plane.[/quote]
She's doesn't actually know that though.

I don't understand the obsession with determining where they caught if from when millions of people in the country have it!

Wakemeuuuup · 31/03/2022 08:52

Wow, I can't believe you would even think about going when one of you has covid.

I was due to travel by plane to a family funeral this week. Unfortunately my DH tested positive that morning so I didn't travel in case he had given it to me. I'm still negative but couldn't take the risk

MrsBillyNoJagNoMates · 31/03/2022 09:04

EasterIssland

Op hasn’t said the age. Under 12s don’t need to proof anything

My bad. She has said he was double jabbed so meets the entry requirements. I just assumed he had to be in 12 -17yo to have to be in entry requirements category.
So I was just curious if positive PCR test still invalidates covid pass. If it does he will not travel

EasterIssland · 31/03/2022 09:10

@MrsBillyNoJagNoMates

EasterIssland

Op hasn’t said the age. Under 12s don’t need to proof anything

My bad. She has said he was double jabbed so meets the entry requirements. I just assumed he had to be in 12 -17yo to have to be in entry requirements category.
So I was just curious if positive PCR test still invalidates covid pass. If it does he will not travel

apologies, then if double jabbed less than 270 days ago (9 months) again no need to have any test. Only if jabbed with 2 more than 270 days ago , if they have the booster then again no need to proof anything

Apologies again, as i missed that bit

MiddleParking · 31/03/2022 09:18

@ItsLisaLou

Your analogy about having a cold doesn’t work at all… are you alright OP? Do you need to do some googling today about what covid is and how it works? Why it kills old people, immunocompromised people, pregnant people, etc. Might help you understand why no one on this thread agrees with you.

Speak for yourself. I agree with OP (and her analogy). Mumsnet opprobrium to that is of literally no consequence.

Timeturnerplease · 31/03/2022 09:27

would you go on a plane or mix with D+V or chickenpox?

People do this all the time. My own parents covered my 6yo sister up in a long sleeve top and floppy hat to get her on the plane to go to Barbados - it was either that or lose a very expensive fortnight away.

I’m not saying it’s right, but this kind of stuff is very common, even since covid - particularly with children, who often don’t feel especially poorly. I think as money gets tighter, people will be even more reluctant to lose holidays or trips for illness.

Original poster

Siezethefish · 31/03/2022 09:27

Yes he is over 12 and double vaxxed. I am trying to ignore all the very personal insults (cunt, vile, arse etc,) but it is really upsetting to be called these by people who don't know me and can't be bothered to read my later posts and make massive assumptions.

Iwonder08 says that legally he can travel. I think she may be right. I am on the phone to the insurance (on hold) to see if they agree with that to establish whether I can get my money back - which was the point of the original post - not that most of you believe that so come on give me your best abuse, I'll put me big girl pants on. Or maybe those that have been vile themselves could actually apologise.

Good luck to all tomorrow when all restrictions lift and we won't have a clue who has and doesn't have Covid.

OP posts:

Timeturnerplease · 31/03/2022 09:28

on the plane with chickenpox

maddy68 · 31/03/2022 09:35

@Whatinthelord

I didn’t even realises you still had to test to go abroad (I’m not flying anywhere so haven’t looked). I assumed that had finished like the other restrictions ( very rarely see people wearing masks in shops etc).

Spain you have to wear masks indoors everywhere so shops , transport , restaurants etc

MrsBillyNoJagNoMates · 31/03/2022 09:41

EasterIssland

apologies, then if double jabbed less than 270 days ago (9 months) again no need to have any test.
Only if jabbed with 2 more than 270 days ago , if they have the booster then again no need to proof anything

Oh yes, I fully agree with you for re no need to test if vaccinated etc
I was just wondering if the covid pass still gets suspended for certain period of time after positive test or has that finished as well???
I had a quick look on line and couldn't find anything specific

theemperorhasnoclothes · 31/03/2022 09:47

I can't imagine it's in the travel industry's best interests to allow covid positive people to fly. Whole plane loads of people sick on holiday - it'll be a strain on medical insurance if nothing else. Plenty of older people still need hospital even if they don't die.

It seems massively counterproductive, if they want to recover from the hits they've taken over the past two years, for any airline to not enforce rigorous testing / mask wearing etc.

This post has made me think again about spending 3k+ on a holiday this summer for a start.

I've been abroad when someone with me became very ill. It's incredibly stressful and unpleasant. Avoiding that scenario is what travel insurance is for and if the OPs DS has covid her insurance would pay out. There would be literally no point to insurance if it didn't pay out when someone provably has a very transmissible serious illness.

From a purely selfish point of view, it probably invalidates your medical insurance if you travel with him when ill. If he got sick abroad the medical insurance wouldn't pay as you chose to go when you knew he was sick.

theemperorhasnoclothes · 31/03/2022 09:48

I think it's generally true that travel insurance will not cover you for any medical treatment related to a condition you had before you left.

MrsBillyNoJagNoMates · 31/03/2022 09:53

@Siezethefish

Yes he is over 12 and double vaxxed. I am trying to ignore all the very personal insults (cunt, vile, arse etc,) but it is really upsetting to be called these by people who don't know me and can't be bothered to read my later posts and make massive assumptions.

Iwonder08 says that legally he can travel. I think she may be right. I am on the phone to the insurance (on hold) to see if they agree with that to establish whether I can get my money back - which was the point of the original post - not that most of you believe that so come on give me your best abuse, I'll put me big girl pants on. Or maybe those that have been vile themselves could actually apologise.

Good luck to all tomorrow when all restrictions lift and we won't have a clue who has and doesn't have Covid.

Actually I am surprised at all the responses you got Puzzled really If he can legally travel you are not doing anything illegal and also you will not get your money back Will not comment on if it is morally right or not - am just surprised that people are not aware about a high chance of coming into contact with covid positive person in everyday life, every trip to shop, public transport, Pharmacy etc

MrsSkylerWhite · 31/03/2022 11:26

Siezethefish

Gosh - such presumption and vitriol here.

Having read back through my 3 posts there is nothing about me saying I am going. I wanted to know what the evidence was to say I shouldn’t go as other than a moral obligation it didn’t seem clear. I have also commented more generally on lack of black and white-ness in the rules.

Thanks to those who have pointed me to the relevant rules. That is really helpful.

Interestingly it has been pointed out to me elsewhere that a PCR test can detect covid for 3 months so DS may not have covid now and that person said I should rely on the LFTs. He has done 4 LFTs in the last 2 days - all negative and tested twice weekly for last few months. I got a PCR for him as most of his class have had covid in last 2 weeks - all picked up through LFTs and he has a cold / cough / sore throat.
I didn’t think going on a plane with this backstory plus the risk of it being picked up arrivals a good idea. Hence the PCR test.“

Oh good, you’ve decided you will not be going then. Yes?

Cantonet · 31/03/2022 11:37

You would have a strong possibility of killing some passengers due to your sheer irresponsibility. Like my elderly parents in their 80's with heart issues, who haven't had a holiday for 4 years, due to illness and are desperate to visit their place in Mallorca. Or anyone immunosuppressed or on Cancer treatment.