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On course for another lockdown?

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TalkToTheHand123 · 19/03/2022 07:07

Covis cases on a rapid rise, heading towards 100,000 daily cases. Are we heading for another lockdown?

OP posts:
Ponoka7 · 19/03/2022 09:40

I've just had Covid. I went for the antibody drip because I'm CV. The Nurse was new into that team. She was taken on because they were offering the treatment that day to ten patients, only three of us took it up. The elderly man who I was chatting to while we were waiting (we were both obviously positive), said that most people he knew was telling him not to get the treatment. He said his family begged him to not have the vaccine. We should put all our efforts into fighting that ignorance.
Most of us don't need a kick down strategy. Hospitality has only just started to recover, so has hairdressers/taxis etc. It is estimated that as many people died from lock down as Covid and that includes children. Schools are vital for child protection.

@thedancingbear, you're excited for job losses, poverty, child abuse being missed, people going without medical treatments, SEN and struggling children being set back, increase in MH issues and suicides?

Mirrorball2022 · 19/03/2022 09:40

[quote Porcupineintherough]@Teateaandmoretea the endgame is it's endemic and something everyone is exposed to in childhood, thus gaining natural immunity that protects them as they grow up. In the interim some groups may need vaccination as for flu. Possibly some groups will always need vaccination eg over 70s.[/quote]
Natural Immunity won’t happen though because covid keeps adapting and changing. I know many people that now have had it twice/three times.

Also we are exposing children to the unknown, even if they have it mild you can’t see how it’s affected them systemically. We need contributed research in the impact of covid on children because it’s not always so simple as a cold or not being Ill at all. Children can and do get various long covid illness that’s why long covid paediatric clinics now exist.

Teateaandmoretea · 19/03/2022 09:42

@WhyIsEverythingSoHard I think a lot of this attitude has been caused by lockdowns though. If we’d been more pragmatic all along people wouldn’t fear restrictions like they do now. Most people are more worried about restrictions than Covid.

ChloeHel · 19/03/2022 09:42

No! Lockdowns are done with, time to move on.

My grandad 80 who is clinically vulnerable due to lung damage decided to go on a cruise, he’s caught it, he’s got a cough and a runny nose. He now realises that the MAJORITY of covid cases are now mild and isn’t as terrified as he once was.

Pretty much all my family in Wales have covid ATM and they have harsher restrictions in Wales. So clearly not making a difference.

Tabitha789 · 19/03/2022 09:42

I wonder what's gonna cause the next lockdown in 109 years 😂😂😂

Porcupineintherough · 19/03/2022 09:43

The endgame potentially is also a vaccine that actually works to eradicate it.

Given that the world is full of people who have no access to such a vaccine (were one even to exist) and also have no ability to lockdown (even if they were willing to ) I think that's fantasy.

I don't see nearly as many people calling for lockdown in rl (non in fact) as posters on here would have you believe. Bit of a straw man tbh.

Teateaandmoretea · 19/03/2022 09:45

Natural Immunity won’t happen though because covid keeps adapting and changing. I know many people that now have had it twice/three times.

Immunity isn’t an absolute. We catch colds over and over again. As long as covid doesn’t make people very ill on mass that is what will matter.

We quite simply don’t know what will happen from this pov and neither do scientists. The best guess is it will follow Russian flu as that was a previous nasty coronavirus.

People posting with ‘be careful it floored me for days’ is daft though. We’ve always had viruses that did that.

BobbinHood · 19/03/2022 09:45

Natural Immunity won’t happen though because covid keeps adapting and changing. I know many people that now have had it twice/three times.

Natural immunity doesn’t mean you won’t get it again. It means your immune system knows how to respond to it to prevent serious disease. Natural immunity doesn’t mean we don’t catch other coronaviruses and rhinoviruses, it means that in the vast majority of cases it won’t make us seriously ill.

That is happening - both through infection and, more importantly, vaccination.

Mirrorball2022 · 19/03/2022 09:45

@Teateaandmoretea

that’s the worry long term and for those that are vulnerable/older when the vaccines don’t really do anything anymore due to the variant nature

In the long term you will also be vulnerable. We all will. Even if you are 22 and running marathons.

We all have a right to live the best years of our lives as no one knows what is round the corner.

That want my point. I’m aware of how ageing works. I’m talking about those people now that aren’t living the life they deserve because we want to pretend covid doesn’t exist or that it is now a cold.

I’ve been living my life but some are stuck at home because covid is too much a risk for them even the so called mild version. But that’s ok cos I get to go to the pub and on holiday. It’s a disgusting attitude that some have.

Ponoka7 · 19/03/2022 09:45

"that’s the worry long term and for those that are vulnerable/older when the vaccines don’t really do anything anymore due to the variant nature"

That's when the antibody and antiviral treatments will be used. However we might have to accept a slightly lower age of death. The late 70's is still a good life span.

" I know many people that now have had it twice/three times."

Most are getting it milder each time. I don't know if it's the treatment I've had, but I haven't needed antibiotics this time and I've bounced back after 10 days. I'm just not 100%, but I'm well. My DD has more quickly recovered as well, as well as others I've known.

Porcupineintherough · 19/03/2022 09:45

@Tabitha789 I'll throw my hat in the ring w some kind of avian flu, with a side bet on Ebola and I don't think it will be 100 years. We got lucky w covid, could have been a lot worse.

ilovebrie8 · 19/03/2022 09:45

Nope no chance , not even sure why you’d ask this! Have you not seen the news the government is asking people to take strangers into their homes who may on the whole not even have been vaccinated...sorry to disappoint you OP but lockdown days are long gone ...thank goodness...go out and get living Smile

toomuchlaundry · 19/03/2022 09:46

Not sure anyone on this thread has called for a lockdown, but some posters are pointing out that the reality for some areas is that it is definitely more than a cold

Teateaandmoretea · 19/03/2022 09:46

@Porcupineintherough agree irl no one says it now at all. Agree the eradication is fantasy but equally so is the perceived power off hepa filters when the reality is they would just help lower the equilibrium slightly. There is a lot of fantasy about on this subject.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 19/03/2022 09:47

So I read something which suggested being vaccinated reduced your Covid risk by 25 years- if you think vaccines do nothing look at Hong Kong.

BeforeGodAndAllTheFish · 19/03/2022 09:48

Of course not.

I think some people really enjoyed the drama of lockdown. Gave them something to talk about/moan about/worry about/be miserable about (whilst secretly enjoying all the drama). And because you enjoyed it so much, and it's done with now, you need to keep bringing it up as a if it is spectre in the corner waiting to pounce.

It isnt happening. Get over it.

Neverendingdust · 19/03/2022 09:48

Interesting that after the last few weeks without any mention of Covid this thread has now caught the attention of MN, is it because it seems to be everywhere at the moment? I know of people who have it now for the 3rd/ 4th time, as well as someone who first had it in January then had it again end of February.

I’m waiting for the ramped up booster messaging to start at any moment, that will be a subtle signal the next wave is upon us.

Indiana2021 · 19/03/2022 09:48

20Teateaandmoretea

@Indiana2021 no it isn’t, it’s because some parts of Scotland have had lower cases in the past and are now catching up. ONS puts Scotland as higher than England also which is nothing to do with asymptomatic testing and all to do with actual infection rates.

Disagree. The extra asymptomatic testing in Scotland is leading to higher identification of actual infection, that without regular testing wouldn't be known about. I know plenty of people up here who are well, but isolating due to a positive flagging up on regular lateral flow checks. I'm not convinced that with Boris' messaging of 'nothing to see here' people in England are still being do cautious. In terms of hospital numbers in England being lower, sadly I think it's going to be a case of watch this space as it'll rise significantly in the weeks ahead.

TypicaIMe · 19/03/2022 09:49

@WhyIsEverythingSoHard

Yes ‘the living with it’ brigade, aka people who are happy to see more than 700 people die every week because they can’t be bothered to have mitigation’s measures put in place, even when they have no impact at all on them - aka ventilation, air purifier etc… or little impact - aka masks, testing or god forbid ‘self isolation’ when they are ill (just like they do with chicken pox or D&V).

Nope it has to be either all or nothing. Lockdown or no measures at all. No in between. Weird Confused

This post is scarily reminiscent of those posts I referred to earlier.

Nobody is 'happy' to see people dying, what a vile accusation. And one used often by a poster here who had subsequently been banned for their awful comments.

And how does self isolation have 'little impact' on those who cannot earn while they're isolating?

If you want isolation to return it's the government you need to be questioning, not those who can't pay the rent if they can't work. Ask why there's no proper sick pay available for many employees, or why the isolation payment was removed. It's not selfish to need to feed your children.

I say this as a CEV person on my fifth Covid infection currently.

Ponoka7 · 19/03/2022 09:49

"but some are stuck at home because covid is too much a risk for them even the so called mild version"

But they'd be stuck at home if we went into lock down. It's only the very vulnerable who have to be wary. We can't organise the world's economy for them. If we go into lock down it has a knock on effect on the likes of Bangladesh and it means that people starve to death. The glib 'get to go on holiday ' means people in that country, eat. Especially in Turkey, Egypt, Morocco etc.

HoliHormonalTigerlilly · 19/03/2022 09:50

Nope.

Teateaandmoretea · 19/03/2022 09:50

@Mirrorball2022 naval gazing about people having ‘disgusting’ attitudes doesn’t help anyone.

What do you think the solution is then? The point is that actually there isn’t a perfect one, however much the virtue signallers would like there to be.

Vulnerable people have always been vulnerable to bad colds, flu, noro etc. There is no magic wand that changes that reality unfortunately.

UnshakenNeedsStirring · 19/03/2022 09:52

Herd immunity, Bojo getting what he wanted.
Unfortunately there is no money for another lockdown.
We continue to live or lives with covid. I do feel sorry for those with low immunity, scary times

Pumpfive · 19/03/2022 09:52

Lol of course not. I know of 30 cases of covid in the last fortnight, all unrelated. Every single one of them are fine and recovered.

rhizobium · 19/03/2022 09:52

@hamstersarse

sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf

This is the study

What lockdown fanatics do now though is discredit the study. Standard.

There are multiple studies questioning the effectiveness of lockdowns, not one that can make claim to the effectiveness of lockdown. Somehow the default is ‘lockdowns must work’ when there is no evidence for that at all.

Strange old world

What lockdown fanatics do now though is discredit the study. Standard.

Interesting take @hamstersarse, though unsuprising given your posting history.

Nope, what scientists do, is explain why the study methodology is incredibly flawed - including the fact that they have excluded all epidemiological studies from their meta-analysis, counted cherry picked studies more than once and not carried out a formal risk of bias assessment.

Because the authors have not published the work, it has not been peer reviewed, which is why so many basic errors exist in it's current form.

I see many posters have explained this to you before though. Why are you desperate to push sources which are so obviously inaccurate and pushing an agenda?

I don't think a lockdown would be wise nor necessary in the current context, but these kinds of claims are ridiculous.

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