On course for another lockdown?

[TalkToTheHand123]

Covis cases on a rapid rise, heading towards 100,000 daily cases. Are we heading for another lockdown?

@x2boys we knew pretty early on that Covid wasn't particularly dangerous to children. They were locked away to protect adults.

[quote CIaireFraser]@x2boys do you think that two young children (whose worlds had already been turned upside down) being reported to the authorities for playing on the street outside their home, nowhere near anyone else, was reasonable? That there were people willing to do this to their own neighbours? You don't find that chilling at all?

I look back on some of the awful things said and done two years ago - by people on here, by people in real life, by the authorities (including the police) - and it chills me to the bone.

Incidentally we were never told an hour of exercise a day was acceptable, there was never a limit to how long you could exercise for.[/quote]
It was bloody disgusting on here. I'm a single parent and remember people on here saying that we shouldn't take our children to the supermarket, we should get someone else to do shopping for us. People really wanted children permanently locked in the house.

@longtimemarried

Hope you feel better soon ancientgran

Thank you. I've spent 2 years worrying about my disabled, overweight 75 year old husband getting it and amazingly he didn't catch it off me. Or I suppose he might have it but be asymptomatic which would be quite funny if you think about it.

[quote CIaireFraser]@x2boys do you think that two young children (whose worlds had already been turned upside down) being reported to the authorities for playing on the street outside their home, nowhere near anyone else, was reasonable? That there were people willing to do this to their own neighbours? You don't find that chilling at all?

I look back on some of the awful things said and done two years ago - by people on here, by people in real life, by the authorities (including the police) - and it chills me to the bone.

Incidentally we were never told an hour of exercise a day was acceptable, there was never a limit to how long you could exercise for.[/quote]
And all while Johnson and Co were partying away like nothing was happening.

@Waxonwaxoff0 we don't drive and I was told off for going to the shop three or four times a week. I'm disabled and couldn't carry much on each trip, the bus was off and I couldn't get a supermarket delivery slot for months. The things I was called on here.

@ancientgran precisely.

[quote CIaireFraser]@Waxonwaxoff0 we don't drive and I was told off for going to the shop three or four times a week. I'm disabled and couldn't carry much on each trip, the bus was off and I couldn't get a supermarket delivery slot for months. The things I was called on here.[/quote]
Yep, and god forbid you popped to the shop for non essentials!

I have it right now. Had symptoms for a month.
We won't go into lockdown again though, intensive care units are doing fine and we can't afford another shutdown

[quote CIaireFraser]@x2boys do you think that two young children (whose worlds had already been turned upside down) being reported to the authorities for playing on the street outside their home, nowhere near anyone else, was reasonable? That there were people willing to do this to their own neighbours? You don't find that chilling at all?

I look back on some of the awful things said and done two years ago - by people on here, by people in real life, by the authorities (including the police) - and it chills me to the bone.

Incidentally we were never told an hour of exercise a day was acceptable, there was never a limit to how long you could exercise for.[/quote]
I thought during the first lockdown Chris whitty said we could only go out for an hour a day maybe I m confusing it with the exercise thing?
I'm not saying it was acceptable ,but people were terrified in the beginning those news stories coming out of Italy were horrific .

No they'd rather people died

No. And I wouldn't be taking part anyway.

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@x2boys we knew pretty early on that Covid wasn't particularly dangerous to children. They were locked away to protect adults.[/quote]
Most children ,I have a child in a special school however so was only to aware that some for some children it was indeed life threatening,and the info was quite vague in the beginning ,so whilst fortunately my child is generally very healthy he has an underlying chromosome disorder and nobody could say how it might affect him in the beginning
Anyway thankfully times have moved on we have knowledge and vaccines .

@ancientgran

I'm day 26 and feel worse and worse. Coughing is so painful, I feel like my head is going to burst when I'm in a coughing fit. I'm vomiting, I hurt and I'm sleeping or dozing about 18 hrs a day. I'm drowning in snot, the blood vessels in my eyes have burst. I've never felt so ill in my life. Before this I thought shingles was bad but I'd take it any day over this.

I've had 3 vaccinations, the booster was end of October and my antibodies show I've also had covid previously. I'm not obese, not even overweight according to my last check up, I don't smoke, my only issue is age but I'm still in my sixties so not that old.

If anyone else tells me covid is mild now I won't be responsible for my actions.

Very unfortunately some people will be the exception to the rule. Please make sure you have medical oversight by way of GP or 111 if needed

However the reality is for the vast vast majority of people covid was mild enough to not need medication, medical intervention or hospitlisation even if it meant a week or so in bed.

I thought during the first lockdown Chris whitty said we could only go out for an hour a day maybe I m confusing it with the exercise thing?

If you're in England, there was never a one hour rule, but lots of people thought there was. Chris Whitty may have suggested it, Michael Gove did too, but neither of those things was at all legally binding. Though I do remember someone claiming on here that it was.

In Wales I believe the rules were different. Though either way, there simply wouldn't be any excuse or even reasonable explanation for someone wanting to report children out on their scooters to the police.

@ancientgran

I'm day 26 and feel worse and worse. Coughing is so painful, I feel like my head is going to burst when I'm in a coughing fit. I'm vomiting, I hurt and I'm sleeping or dozing about 18 hrs a day. I'm drowning in snot, the blood vessels in my eyes have burst. I've never felt so ill in my life. Before this I thought shingles was bad but I'd take it any day over this.

I've had 3 vaccinations, the booster was end of October and my antibodies show I've also had covid previously. I'm not obese, not even overweight according to my last check up, I don't smoke, my only issue is age but I'm still in my sixties so not that old.

If anyone else tells me covid is mild now I won't be responsible for my actions.

please speak to your GP , that doesn't sound right ,secondary lung infections are not uncommon (my family member got through initial covid ok pre-jabs but was hospitalised at a later stage twice, once for chest infection then for a blood clot )I do worry that people are still put off seeking help.

In England at least there was never a law that exercise was once a day or 1hr (despite what many on here thought at the time). Michael Gove suggesting something in a TV interview is not the law.

@s1h2o3na I have seen a nurse this afternoon who didn't seem too bothered. I couldn't get a GP appointment but I'm hoping they will see me on Monday.

My oxygen level is OK so that is a relief and I've just had a meal, not very exciting out of the microwave but that's just where I am at the moment. It isn't helped by the fact that I'm my husband's carer so I couldn't just go to bed for a week, I've done the minimum but I've had to do it. It is awful to say but I think I'd quite like to be in hospital at the moment, just lie there and not worry about food or the washing. Maybe I'm just lazy.

I worked out of the home for the full pandemic and what infuriated me more than anything (and a lot infuriated me about attitudes toward people taking exercise or whatever), was the people sitting at home but having all their things delivered by supermarkets or amazon, or the post office or whatever

How did they think those people were 'staying at home',,,,oh but that was ok because people were needed to serve the people staying at home.

@bellac11

I worked out of the home for the full pandemic and what infuriated me more than anything (and a lot infuriated me about attitudes toward people taking exercise or whatever), was the people sitting at home but having all their things delivered by supermarkets or amazon, or the post office or whatever

How did they think those people were 'staying at home',,,,oh but that was ok because people were needed to serve the people staying at home.

I wasn't bothered that people were staying at home, but it did piss me off that people working out of the home were lectured about going out for non essentials or whatever, I work for a manufacturing company making non essential homeware and people were very happy to order that stuff online, we were the busiest we'd ever been during the second lockdown in Jan 2021.

You’re not lazy @ancientgran you need to recuperate as much as anyone else.

I know that it probably won’t amount to much but please mention your responsibilities when you speak to the GP. They might be able to sign post some help or support. Can you afford to sign up to a meal delivery service for a while?

I think the 174 people whose deaths are recorded today would disagree with the assertion that 'no-one is dying'. People might think that because no-one THEY KNOW has died, it's not hapening at all. Which is not true.Neither is it true that hospitalisations are nothing to worry about. Even if they are lower than the peak (and they're actuall approaching that number) it's not good for the NHS to have so many patients in hospital because of Covid or who have caught Covid while in hospital. One of the mis-conceptions people have is that it's a binary choice between doing nothing or having a 'lockdown'. the government has encouraged this false narrative. But what we should e doing is having sensible mitigations in place to make it safer for everyone to go about their usual business. Another piece of craziness oft-repeated is that we are able to make 'our own decisions' to keep ourselves safe. But whether or not someone sitting opposite me on a train who has Covid, wears a mask,is their decision, not mine. No. Our decisions affect other people's safety.

@sunstreaming

I think the 174 people whose deaths are recorded today would disagree with the assertion that 'no-one is dying'. People might think that because no-one THEY KNOW has died, it's not hapening at all. Which is not true.Neither is it true that hospitalisations are nothing to worry about. Even if they are lower than the peak (and they're actuall approaching that number) it's not good for the NHS to have so many patients in hospital because of Covid or who have caught Covid while in hospital. One of the mis-conceptions people have is that it's a binary choice between doing nothing or having a 'lockdown'. the government has encouraged this false narrative. But what we should e doing is having sensible mitigations in place to make it safer for everyone to go about their usual business. Another piece of craziness oft-repeated is that we are able to make 'our own decisions' to keep ourselves safe. But whether or not someone sitting opposite me on a train who has Covid, wears a mask,is their decision, not mine. No. Our decisions affect other people's safety.

They're even repeatedly saying on the news now that the majority (or close to - I can't remember the actual figures) of people in hospital with covid did not end up in hospital because of covid but something else unrelated and then it was picked up. And they're saying the same thing about deaths. A huge proportion of the deaths are not because of covid at all. They could have had cancer or been in a car accident and died with covid. But not from it.

Before covid we never panicked and measured and reported on the number of deaths from cold & flu. I think it's time we move on now...

@sunstreaming

I think the 174 people whose deaths are recorded today would disagree with the assertion that 'no-one is dying'. People might think that because no-one THEY KNOW has died, it's not hapening at all. Which is not true.Neither is it true that hospitalisations are nothing to worry about. Even if they are lower than the peak (and they're actuall approaching that number) it's not good for the NHS to have so many patients in hospital because of Covid or who have caught Covid while in hospital. One of the mis-conceptions people have is that it's a binary choice between doing nothing or having a 'lockdown'. the government has encouraged this false narrative. But what we should e doing is having sensible mitigations in place to make it safer for everyone to go about their usual business. Another piece of craziness oft-repeated is that we are able to make 'our own decisions' to keep ourselves safe. But whether or not someone sitting opposite me on a train who has Covid, wears a mask,is their decision, not mine. No. Our decisions affect other people's safety.

In fact no one should ever use hospitals. It's unreasonable they should have to treat ill people.

I'm astonished that people still think a bit of cloth across their face protects anyone.

If you want to be protected by masks buy yourself one that actually does the job rather than relying on other people's bits of cloth.

@sunstreaming

I think the 174 people whose deaths are recorded today would disagree with the assertion that 'no-one is dying'. People might think that because no-one THEY KNOW has died, it's not hapening at all. Which is not true.Neither is it true that hospitalisations are nothing to worry about. Even if they are lower than the peak (and they're actuall approaching that number) it's not good for the NHS to have so many patients in hospital because of Covid or who have caught Covid while in hospital. One of the mis-conceptions people have is that it's a binary choice between doing nothing or having a 'lockdown'. the government has encouraged this false narrative. But what we should e doing is having sensible mitigations in place to make it safer for everyone to go about their usual business. Another piece of craziness oft-repeated is that we are able to make 'our own decisions' to keep ourselves safe. But whether or not someone sitting opposite me on a train who has Covid, wears a mask,is their decision, not mine. No. Our decisions affect other people's safety.

Someone else has made the point I would have made that the large majority of those deaths are people with incidental covid, not dying of covid, some will, but not the vast majority

But I would also add to that the mitigations are seen not to be effective, we can see this from the results of Scotland keeping some of them in like mask wearing and cases still rising,, Ireland too I think at one point but most of all look to Hong Kong and China, horrendous scenes yet still having those mitigations and restrictions in place.