On course for another lockdown?

[TalkToTheHand123]

Covis cases on a rapid rise, heading towards 100,000 daily cases. Are we heading for another lockdown?

that's because there's far more asymptomatic testing and reporting and general isolation compliance still going on up here.

I believe hospitalisation rates are also higher however

@hamstersarse

Given lockdowns don’t work and only achieve a reduction in infections of 0.2%, all the while destroying the economy, jobs, education, mental health….yeah, good idea!

To be fair, you only have to look at the stats to see that they do work. I'm not saying it's necessary currently because the criteria need to be pressure on the hospitals and deaths, but it's pointless to deny the fact.

@EthelTheAardvark no lockdowns don’t work. They shift the curve a bit in the short term but in the long term they don’t stop covid.

It's heartening to see that this thread hasn't been overrun with the YES LOCKDOWN NOW IF NOT LAST WEEK lot who would have been shouting everyone else down even six months ago. The same people who insisted that nightclubs were a thing of the past and that we were going to be in some form of lockdown forevermore, and that we had all better get used to zoom Christmases and never going on holiday because that was life now. And if you disagreed, you were part of the 'let the bodies pile up crew'.

I think most people now accept that life must go on. And that's absolutely the way it should be.

I do think we still need to take extra care with more vulnerable people, because that's what a decent society does at all times, not just during a pandemic. So free testing for those who need it, boosters as and when, and so on.

But further lockdowns? Bollocks to that.

Lockdowns work fine if your one and only goal is to slow transmission of an infectious disease. But they are not sustainable and with the advent of vaccination and treatments they are unnecessary and would do more harm than good.

@Porcupineintherough exactly for lockdown to ‘work’ in the long term it would have to be permanent 🤦🏻‍♀️

[quote Teateaandmoretea]@EthelTheAardvark no lockdowns don’t work. They shift the curve a bit in the short term but in the long term they don’t stop covid.[/quote]
but in the long term they dont have to.

@Mirrorball2022

This is a giant thread but I’ll bite. No lockdowns won’t happen. However Covid isn’t a cold. What’s going round may be mild covid but it certainly isn’t a cold. Colds don’t leave these many people ill for months on end. Covid attacks multiple systems in the body and many people who had what they thought a mild version have have now got on going illness. You are very lucky in the last two years of you know no one that’s died from covid or that’s been affected long term. It wasn’t just elderly either.

Having said that I work in a hospital omicron/vaccines have made managing it easier due to less numbers however it’s an infectious little bastard and sweeps through quickly. It is still causing serious illness in some and unfortunately some are still dying. We have better treatments and know more about it but it’s not always a mild illness. It’s again causing staffing issues already. Some are catching it for the second/third time. You are very unlucky if you catch flu that often. I’ve had it once in 43 years and that was swine flu from work.

It causes us to stop normal, elective care and appointments because we run out of staff. So lockdown or not healthcare suffers time and time again when we are trying so hard. This is happening also in schools normal education can’t happen. Not all children don’t get Sick many couldn’t go to school or their teachers are sick again and i mean actually ill in bed.

Immunity from covid infection isn’t really a thing Due to variants and how quickly it changes. I know children and adults that have had it more than once now. The vaccines were made for the original variant and aren’t as effective as we would like even though we are lucky they do seem to still offer some protection for us but for how long u til the next variant that it doesn’t work for?

It’s alright pretending it doesn’t get exist because we all want to get on with it but Covid’s not ready to leave just yet.

This! I'm tired of all the myths about omicron being so mild. We may have to live with covid, but let's not be unrealistic about it.

@Porcupineintherough do what’s your end game then? You think covid will suddenly trot off?

Sorry Jan 2021, I too have Covid brain and yes too sick to work.

@user1487194234

No chance although if Nicola Sturgeon could lock Scotland down she would Thank goodness we are not Independent

You're not wrong, that woman will rebuild the wall if we go independent. 😂

Nope. We can’t afford another lock down. But a teeny weeny part of me would welcome it for the cheaper petrol...... hard to believe that this time last year we could get a litre of petrol for a pound.

@TheKeatingFive

that's because there's far more asymptomatic testing and reporting and general isolation compliance still going on up here.

I believe hospitalisation rates are also higher however

They came right down and last I read were back up at 12000+

I don't think there will be another lockdown.
People simply will not comply with one, anyway.

I definitely think some people have this weird nostalgia for the 2020 spring lockdown

Em, no. It over, time to get on with our lives

x post. I think we are agreeing with each other.

Some diseases can be driven extinct by lockdowns. It would be nice if covid was one of them but that horse has long bolted, bolted well before the first lockdown in fact. So now we are in that painful stage whilst it becomes endemic. In future years it wont be a problem, children will catch it in childhood (probably repeatedly the way its mutating), gain natural immunity and it will be just another cold to them.

It's heartening to see that this thread hasn't been overrun with the YES LOCKDOWN NOW IF NOT LAST WEEK

No it’s been replaced with ‘you have to learn to live with it* brigade instead.

They should legally ban that phrase!

@Neurodiversitydoctor

Sorry Jan 2021, I too have Covid brain and yes too sick to work.

Ah thank you. I knew healthcare were first in line to be vaccinated but didn't remember them being that far ahead of the general population. Wasn't until after I commented I thought "hold on, Jan 2020 wed barely even heard the word covid" and realised it must have been a typo 😅

@Teateaandmoretea the endgame is it's endemic and something everyone is exposed to in childhood, thus gaining natural immunity that protects them as they grow up. In the interim some groups may need vaccination as for flu. Possibly some groups will always need vaccination eg over 70s.

It’s also about context - at this point now a lockdown would do nothing at all. Short term shifting of curves earlier probably helped a bit in some ways. Although my opinion will always be that we tipped the balance too far into causing harms from lockdown.

@EthelTheAardvark I can quote your post but exactly. I’ve been very fortunate to have never caught it yet despite my exposure in work but I’ve not been at home sat awaiting lockdowns nor do I want one.

I’ve been ‘living my life’ as so many on here state. But I’m not unrealistic, covid is very much here and still causing huge issues in different aspects of society wether we ignore it or not. Pretending it’s a cold really annoys me. Symptomatically it may be for some but what’s it doing to us systematically that’s the worry long term and for those that are vulnerable/older when the vaccines don’t really do anything anymore due to the variant nature.

The endgame potentially is also a vaccine that actually works to eradicate it. I suspect some people think we should lock down for 10 years until we get there. Lockdowns were a scary precedent and the OP shows why.

Yes ‘the living with it’ brigade, aka people who are happy to see more than 700 people die every week because they can’t be bothered to have mitigation’s measures put in place, even when they have no impact at all on them - aka ventilation, air purifier etc… or little impact - aka masks, testing or god forbid ‘self isolation’ when they are ill (just like they do with chicken pox or D&V).

Nope it has to be either all or nothing. Lockdown or no measures at all. No in between. Weird

that’s the worry long term and for those that are vulnerable/older when the vaccines don’t really do anything anymore due to the variant nature

In the long term you will also be vulnerable. We all will. Even if you are 22 and running marathons.

We all have a right to live the best years of our lives as no one knows what is round the corner.