No isolation when covid positive in March

[Whathefisgoingon]

I just cannot get my head around this.

As far as I know, no other country has announced this.

For two years they’ve told us that it’s dangerous and now they’re prepared to send me to work directly next to someone infected with covid?

I had always believed it should be more socially acceptable to simply stay home when sick, as too many feel forced in to work with flu etc, but this takes the biscuit.

I understand we need to find a way to get back to some kind of normal but this seems extreme.

Will this really happen in less than 2 months!?

And actually, this thread isn’t about masks. It’s about isolation. And isolation periods are harmful to the economically vulnerable.

I think we are in a very different place now to when the lockdowns were happening.

@Wednesdayafternoon

Will this actually happen though? Or are the suggesting it now to make Boris look like the good guy and then in March he will blame a new varient for his reason to withdraw it!

Don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth anymore!

If nothing is done, ie a new vote, it will expire as the Act which underpins it ends after the two years

@ShallWeTalkAboutBruno

And actually, this thread isn’t about masks. It’s about isolation. And isolation periods are harmful to the economically vulnerable.

Yep, as well as others such as DV victims (obviously there is a crossover between these groups).

If people want to advocate for continuing the current isolation rules, fine. But the idea that doing this without even acknowledging the suffering it leads to represents some kind of moral high ground is laughable.

@Sparklingbrook

I think we are in a very different place now to when the lockdowns were happening.

We are. But there was still a complete lack of acknowledgment by many of the harms they were causing. I volunteer with vulnerable families and could see first hand what they were going through, but any discussion of it on here was shouted down. The consequences are starting to infiltrate the public consciousness a bit more now.

If people want to advocate for continuing the current isolation rules, fine. But the idea that doing this without even acknowledging the suffering it leads to represents some kind of moral high ground is laughable

Yes, this.

But there was still a complete lack of acknowledgment by many of the harms they were causing. I volunteer with vulnerable families and could see first hand what they were going through, but any discussion of it on here was shouted down. The consequences are starting to infiltrate the public consciousness a bit more now.

The vitriol was astounding.

It’s lessening now tg but still a few phrases around ‘selfishness’ come up.

But there was still a complete lack of acknowledgment by many of the harms they were causing. I volunteer with vulnerable families and could see first hand what they were going through, but any discussion of it on here was shouted down. The consequences are starting to infiltrate the public consciousness a bit more now.

I also volunteer with vulnerable families, which is why it really upsets and angers me when those who have no clue what people like that have suffered throughout lockdowns/isolation etc start calling them selfish.

people selfish not them

she is just expressing the alarm felt by many of us at the prospect of all restrictions being lifted, when essentially we are in the same position as this time last year as far as the number of cases is concerned

But you're forgetting the most important points - that the omicron variant is much milder and that most people are now vaccinated!!

We need to lift the isolation restrictions in order to prevent more damage to many people's lives.

@ShallWeTalkAboutBruno

If people want to advocate for continuing the current isolation rules, fine. But the idea that doing this without even acknowledging the suffering it leads to represents some kind of moral high ground is laughable

Yes, this.

That is why I frame comments in terms of finding the balance.

The number of comments that dont even pay lip service to the needs of the vulnerable is also depressingly high.

@Blubells

she is just expressing the alarm felt by many of us at the prospect of all restrictions being lifted, when essentially we are in the same position as this time last year as far as the number of cases is concerned

But you're forgetting the most important points - that the omicron variant is much milder and that most people are now vaccinated!!

We need to lift the isolation restrictions in order to prevent more damage to many people's lives.

Not forgetting that at all - read my post properly, I did acknowledge that for most people without comorbidities Omicron is mild. You yourself are missing my point that the vaccines don’t work for everyone and what I said was that we are in the same situation as last year as far as the number of cases is concerned - in the context that this is the worrying part of lifting restrictions for anyone CEV. And I am absolutely not advocating isolation or lockdowns in deference to those who are CEV and as far as I’m aware they weren’t introduced to protect CEV people - they were to avoid the NHS being overwhelmed. Nice to know the spirit of community is alive and well.

That is why I frame comments in terms of finding the balance

The number of comments that dont even pay lip service to the needs of the vulnerable is also depressingly high

Well, two wrongs don’t made a right, as they say.
And millions of us have spent the past 2 years taking measures to protect those vulnerable to covid, while being shouted down for daring to mention the harms coming to others. We’ve home schooled our children while trying to hold down full time jobs, we’ve lost income, we’ve done what we were asked to do. That’s not selfishness.

@ShallWeTalkAboutBruno

That is why I frame comments in terms of finding the balance

The number of comments that dont even pay lip service to the needs of the vulnerable is also depressingly high

Well, two wrongs don’t made a right, as they say.
And millions of us have spent the past 2 years taking measures to protect those vulnerable to covid, while being shouted down for daring to mention the harms coming to others. We’ve home schooled our children while trying to hold down full time jobs, we’ve lost income, we’ve done what we were asked to do. That’s not selfishness.

And the vulnerable haven't had to do these things?

Have you really not noticed that it's not an 'other' group?

Oh come on, that’s not what I’m saying. I’m just saying that anyone who has done all these things cannot be accused of being selfish.

@Sparklingbrook

I do wonder how many of the people going on and on about the CEV are CEV themselves or have experience of anyone that is. I would think that most of them don't feel they have been 'thrown under the bus' but are getting on with things whilst taking a few precautions.

Those who are the most vulnerable have spent the last two years shielding. Covid is still with us and the numbers are still high. For most people Omicron is mild and vaccines do the heavy lifting. Not so for most CEV. It’s more than taking a few precautions when you have a respiratory disease or an autoimmune condition that lays waste to any immunity and means that any variant of Covid could be a killer because the vaccines don’t work for you. Many CEV people also can’t take antivirals for one reason or another.

When all restrictions are lifted things will get scary for CEV. No one is advocating lockdowns or isolation as a solution and for the millionth time, the lockdowns and isolation rules from the past two years were about protecting the NHS not the CEV. For most people who were advised to shield it was nothing new - a lot of ordinary infections doing the rounds are much more dangerous if you’re immuno compromised and the advice has always been caution and vaccination against flu, shingles etc. Covid was different - it was a pandemic and it was a killer of healthy people as well as the vulnerable.

So forgive us if some of us who are CEV are a bit rattled at the thought of all restrictions lifted and Covid positive people mingling freely in the population, undetected. That comes from having spent the last two years frightened for our lives and also from the suspicion - however ill founded - that the lifting of restrictions is not so much science based as designed to put the government in a better light.

The tests don't really work for the new variant though ds took 6 tests 3 came out positive 3 came out negative his pcr is positive he is absolutely fine totally asymptomatic not even a runny nose

• Well, two wrongs don’t made a right, as they say. And millions of us have spent the past 2 years taking measures to protect those vulnerable to covid, while being shouted down for daring to mention the harms coming to others. We’ve home schooled our children while trying to hold down full time jobs, we’ve lost income, we’ve done what we were asked to do. That’s not selfishness*

But you weren’t doing it to protect CEV people. You were doing it to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed - and so, by the way, were CEV people. Pardon me for being vulnerable - I didn’t mean for my disability to inconvenience you in any way !!

Of course those who are CV have done it too, that's never been in question. But this isn't just about homeschooling or wfh or shielding, it's about how many families, women, children, men, have been allowed to slip through the cracks during the last 2 years. They were vulnerable too, just in a different way (and some were also CV just to add to their problems).

When we start ignoring one group of vulnerable people - a substantially larger one at that, I might add - in favour of protecting another one, it's unsustainable in the long term. Something has to give. And the shortening of isolation time is a good place to start.

@BuickMcKane

Of course those who are CV have done it too, that's never been in question. But this isn't just about homeschooling or wfh or shielding, it's about how many families, women, children, men, have been allowed to slip through the cracks during the last 2 years. They were vulnerable too, just in a different way (and some were also CV just to add to their problems).

When we start ignoring one group of vulnerable people - a substantially larger one at that, I might add - in favour of protecting another one, it's unsustainable in the long term. Something has to give. And the shortening of isolation time is a good place to start.

This.

And the vulnerable haven't had to do these things?
Have you really not noticed that it's not an 'other' group?

What shall we then call the group of people who are currently opposed to ending isolation?

There certainly appear to be posters keen to keep up masks and isolation to protect the 'vulnerable'

@Blubells

*And the vulnerable haven't had to do these things? Have you really not noticed that it's not an 'other' group?*

What shall we then call the group of people who are currently opposed to ending isolation?

There certainly appear to be posters keen to keep up masks and isolation to protect the 'vulnerable'

I don’t think it’s in any way reasonable to keep up lockdowns or isolations to protect the vulnerable. However, I don’t see anything wrong with people continuing to be pubic spirited and wearing masks in enclosed public spaces for a while. I wouldn’t even think of venturing out without a mask and keeping my distance because I have a lot to lose if I do catch Covid. So why is it such a heinous crime for vulnerable people to ask for a bit of consideration until we see where lifting all restrictions takes us ?

Er - ‘pubic’ spirited is obviously meant to be ‘public’ spirited !!

Its interesting we have this thread where CEV are complaining about being thrown under the bus, but also a thread asking if you are CEV if you are going abroad this year.

Interesting the word selfish about wanting to return to normal still being chucked about here.