No isolation when covid positive in March

[Whathefisgoingon]

I just cannot get my head around this.

As far as I know, no other country has announced this.

For two years they’ve told us that it’s dangerous and now they’re prepared to send me to work directly next to someone infected with covid?

I had always believed it should be more socially acceptable to simply stay home when sick, as too many feel forced in to work with flu etc, but this takes the biscuit.

I understand we need to find a way to get back to some kind of normal but this seems extreme.

Will this really happen in less than 2 months!?

@UnmentionedElephantDildo

^Everyone I know has had no symptoms or at the most an afternoon of headache and temperature

Data is more relevant than personal anecdotes

Yes, over 98% of cases of current variant are mild.

But mild doesn't mean trivial - it simply means you don't require hospital attention. It can still be really rough (and can still lead to long covid)

That's not what it means.

When I had Covid it was a headache for a day and a very slight tickle in my throat. That was it. That was mild. And in normal times there's no way I'd have isolated myself and not gone to work for 10 days for that. I felt fine after about 2 days!

We can't expect people who experience Covid like that ^^ to stay in doors, lose money, lose education etc.. for 10 days every time for the rest of time.

I agree if someone is feeling very poorly then socially they should isolate but I'd expect someone to do that anyway, I think most people do with all sorts of things.

People don't tend to isolate themselves and lose out on pay etc.. for extremely mild illness. Which is reasonable imo.

One action is rooted in community and remembering that more vulnerable people matter

Why do posters talk about 'vulnerable people' like the kind who are susceptible to being seriously ill with covid are the only kind?

In the 'community' you'll find those who are at risk of serious complications from covid are a tiny % compared to those vulnerable for other reasons.

Those in poverty are vulnerable, just in a different way. When they can't go out and bring money in to support their family, what do you think the knock on effect is? What do you think happens when their rent isn't paid? Or their gas and electric? Many of those most vulnerable are on pre-payment meters. If the gas and electric runs out and there's no money to top up, their home has no heating or light.

Do you know how many children were living in poverty last year? Those children are VULNERABLE. Parents pulling their hair out wondering how they'll heat the house or fill the cupboards because they've had to take yet another 10 days off work to isolate with children who could easily be at school as they're not ill, their mental health is VULNERABLE.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to being 'vulnerable'.

I'm sick to death of reading things like 'vulnerable people have been thrown under the bus blah blah blah..' Yes, I'm sorry you're frightened about covid, I get it, I have close family members who are CV and it's shit. But countless vulnerable people were thrown under the bus when lockdown was introduced.

Elderly people who were suddenly isolated from their support network, suicidal people who lost their lifeline, abused women, men and children trapped with their tormentors, serious illnesses going unchecked because people were told not to 'overwhelm' the NHS.

How about remembering just how many vulnerable people were 'thrown under the bus' in the last 2 years, before you start calling people selfish.

CEV people who are triple jabbed, have the option of wearing FFFP2/3 masks, and avoiding busy places, have been afforded FAR more consideration and protection than ANY of those other vulnerable parties I mentioned above. If you want to bandy the word selfish around, just be aware it can be turned straight round on you.

And worse with children. God if I isolated my small child every time his nose ran or he had a slight cough or a temperature for one night I'd never leave the house.

@BuickMcKane

One action is rooted in community and remembering that more vulnerable people matter

Why do posters talk about 'vulnerable people' like the kind who are susceptible to being seriously ill with covid are the only kind?

In the 'community' you'll find those who are at risk of serious complications from covid are a tiny % compared to those vulnerable for other reasons.

Those in poverty are vulnerable, just in a different way. When they can't go out and bring money in to support their family, what do you think the knock on effect is? What do you think happens when their rent isn't paid? Or their gas and electric? Many of those most vulnerable are on pre-payment meters. If the gas and electric runs out and there's no money to top up, their home has no heating or light.

Do you know how many children were living in poverty last year? Those children are VULNERABLE. Parents pulling their hair out wondering how they'll heat the house or fill the cupboards because they've had to take yet another 10 days off work to isolate with children who could easily be at school as they're not ill, their mental health is VULNERABLE.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to being 'vulnerable'.

I'm sick to death of reading things like 'vulnerable people have been thrown under the bus blah blah blah..' Yes, I'm sorry you're frightened about covid, I get it, I have close family members who are CV and it's shit. But countless vulnerable people were thrown under the bus when lockdown was introduced.

Elderly people who were suddenly isolated from their support network, suicidal people who lost their lifeline, abused women, men and children trapped with their tormentors, serious illnesses going unchecked because people were told not to 'overwhelm' the NHS.

How about remembering just how many vulnerable people were 'thrown under the bus' in the last 2 years, before you start calling people selfish.

CEV people who are triple jabbed, have the option of wearing FFFP2/3 masks, and avoiding busy places, have been afforded FAR more consideration and protection than ANY of those other vulnerable parties I mentioned above. If you want to bandy the word selfish around, just be aware it can be turned straight round on you.

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@BuickMcKane

Totally agree!

@BuickMcKane

One action is rooted in community and remembering that more vulnerable people matter

Why do posters talk about 'vulnerable people' like the kind who are susceptible to being seriously ill with covid are the only kind?

In the 'community' you'll find those who are at risk of serious complications from covid are a tiny % compared to those vulnerable for other reasons.

Those in poverty are vulnerable, just in a different way. When they can't go out and bring money in to support their family, what do you think the knock on effect is? What do you think happens when their rent isn't paid? Or their gas and electric? Many of those most vulnerable are on pre-payment meters. If the gas and electric runs out and there's no money to top up, their home has no heating or light.

Do you know how many children were living in poverty last year? Those children are VULNERABLE. Parents pulling their hair out wondering how they'll heat the house or fill the cupboards because they've had to take yet another 10 days off work to isolate with children who could easily be at school as they're not ill, their mental health is VULNERABLE.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to being 'vulnerable'.

I'm sick to death of reading things like 'vulnerable people have been thrown under the bus blah blah blah..' Yes, I'm sorry you're frightened about covid, I get it, I have close family members who are CV and it's shit. But countless vulnerable people were thrown under the bus when lockdown was introduced.

Elderly people who were suddenly isolated from their support network, suicidal people who lost their lifeline, abused women, men and children trapped with their tormentors, serious illnesses going unchecked because people were told not to 'overwhelm' the NHS.

How about remembering just how many vulnerable people were 'thrown under the bus' in the last 2 years, before you start calling people selfish.

CEV people who are triple jabbed, have the option of wearing FFFP2/3 masks, and avoiding busy places, have been afforded FAR more consideration and protection than ANY of those other vulnerable parties I mentioned above. If you want to bandy the word selfish around, just be aware it can be turned straight round on you.

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Well said @BuickMcKane

I do wonder how many of the people going on and on about the CEV are CEV themselves or have experience of anyone that is.
I would think that most of them don't feel they have been 'thrown under the bus' but are getting on with things whilst taking a few precautions.

@Theimpossiblegirl

My DD has a cold today and I've had to dose her up and send her to school. Before Christmas she had 2 days off for D&V, a couple of morning sessions off for hospital appointments and then caught covid (at school) and had to self-isolate for 10 days. Now we have the school and EWS involved worried about her attendance and she already has more hospital appointments this term. She's well enough to cope with ibuprofen so off she's gone. You either worry about the teachers and students well being or attendance and unfortuantely the government favours attendance at all costs!

All i can say is thank goodness isolation will stop. Me and Dh both currently off isolating. Both had 1 day of illness and still positive day 9. We are down over £650 for this week alone. Will be more if the kids pick it up. We can't afford to be off any longer. In normal times neither of us would even of taken a day off for the level of sickness we had

DS2 tested positive on Christmas Eve and his isolation took him to a day before he returned to work. So he was glad that he didn’t miss any work and it didn’t go down as sickness but he was well throughout and would have gone in was it not Covid.

I don’t know what all workplaces are classing it as. When he had to isolate when pinged last year he had to make the time up.

My employers don’t class the isolation as sickness but as entirely separate so it doesn’t go against you with the amount of sick leave you have had. Plus I am lucky because it’s paid.

My workplace did not pay sick pay for isolations due to being "pinged" on the app but did pay company sick pay for being contacted by test and trace, developing symptoms and waiting for pcr or testing positive.

@Sparklingbrook

I do wonder how many of the people going on and on about the CEV are CEV themselves or have experience of anyone that is. I would think that most of them don't feel they have been 'thrown under the bus' but are getting on with things whilst taking a few precautions.

I'm CEV, as is one of my close relatives who has blood cancer. He recently had a STEM cell transplant so doesn't have much of an immune system. He has had his vaccinations, but they didn't have much effect. His cancer tends to cause massive blood clots throughout his body, so he is particularly vulnerable to the effects of Covid.

As for me, I'm immune-compromised due to two drugs I have to have for advanced neurological disease.

We both have to live our lives with precautions - my brother particularly. He can't really leave his house ATM.

@BuickMcKane

One action is rooted in community and remembering that more vulnerable people matter

Why do posters talk about 'vulnerable people' like the kind who are susceptible to being seriously ill with covid are the only kind?

In the 'community' you'll find those who are at risk of serious complications from covid are a tiny % compared to those vulnerable for other reasons.

Those in poverty are vulnerable, just in a different way. When they can't go out and bring money in to support their family, what do you think the knock on effect is? What do you think happens when their rent isn't paid? Or their gas and electric? Many of those most vulnerable are on pre-payment meters. If the gas and electric runs out and there's no money to top up, their home has no heating or light.

Do you know how many children were living in poverty last year? Those children are VULNERABLE. Parents pulling their hair out wondering how they'll heat the house or fill the cupboards because they've had to take yet another 10 days off work to isolate with children who could easily be at school as they're not ill, their mental health is VULNERABLE.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to being 'vulnerable'.

I'm sick to death of reading things like 'vulnerable people have been thrown under the bus blah blah blah..' Yes, I'm sorry you're frightened about covid, I get it, I have close family members who are CV and it's shit. But countless vulnerable people were thrown under the bus when lockdown was introduced.

Elderly people who were suddenly isolated from their support network, suicidal people who lost their lifeline, abused women, men and children trapped with their tormentors, serious illnesses going unchecked because people were told not to 'overwhelm' the NHS.

How about remembering just how many vulnerable people were 'thrown under the bus' in the last 2 years, before you start calling people selfish.

CEV people who are triple jabbed, have the option of wearing FFFP2/3 masks, and avoiding busy places, have been afforded FAR more consideration and protection than ANY of those other vulnerable parties I mentioned above. If you want to bandy the word selfish around, just be aware it can be turned straight round on you.

One hundred fucking percent.

If you understand all this but just think the interests of the ECV ought to be prioritised over those of other vulnerable people fine, say so. Make that case. But don't delude yourself that there's any mechanism available to us to protect the vulnerable as a cohort, because there's not. There are different groups of vulnerable with sometimes competing interests. Like it or not.

@BuickMcKane

One action is rooted in community and remembering that more vulnerable people matter

Why do posters talk about 'vulnerable people' like the kind who are susceptible to being seriously ill with covid are the only kind?

In the 'community' you'll find those who are at risk of serious complications from covid are a tiny % compared to those vulnerable for other reasons.

Those in poverty are vulnerable, just in a different way. When they can't go out and bring money in to support their family, what do you think the knock on effect is? What do you think happens when their rent isn't paid? Or their gas and electric? Many of those most vulnerable are on pre-payment meters. If the gas and electric runs out and there's no money to top up, their home has no heating or light.

Do you know how many children were living in poverty last year? Those children are VULNERABLE. Parents pulling their hair out wondering how they'll heat the house or fill the cupboards because they've had to take yet another 10 days off work to isolate with children who could easily be at school as they're not ill, their mental health is VULNERABLE.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to being 'vulnerable'.

I'm sick to death of reading things like 'vulnerable people have been thrown under the bus blah blah blah..' Yes, I'm sorry you're frightened about covid, I get it, I have close family members who are CV and it's shit. But countless vulnerable people were thrown under the bus when lockdown was introduced.

Elderly people who were suddenly isolated from their support network, suicidal people who lost their lifeline, abused women, men and children trapped with their tormentors, serious illnesses going unchecked because people were told not to 'overwhelm' the NHS.

How about remembering just how many vulnerable people were 'thrown under the bus' in the last 2 years, before you start calling people selfish.

CEV people who are triple jabbed, have the option of wearing FFFP2/3 masks, and avoiding busy places, have been afforded FAR more consideration and protection than ANY of those other vulnerable parties I mentioned above. If you want to bandy the word selfish around, just be aware it can be turned straight round on you.

Thank you for acknowledging this

BuickMcKane for PM!

We both have to live our lives with precautions - my brother particularly He can't really leave his house ATM

Yes, my CEV relative feels the same. Weighing up what is safe and what isn't. Their treatment had to be temporarily suspended, first because someone in the house was positive and again when they were but it's back on now.

They have a very supportive consultant which helps a lot.

I'm a dentist and our current rules are negative PCR if anyone in our household is positive before we can go to work then daily lateral flow tests until day 10.
All other measures are our choice. At the moment I'm ensuring I know which are our CEV and CV patients and we try to offer them appointments at the beginning of sessions so they don't sit in the waiting room with anyone else and they'll be seen by a team that are all vaccinated and in PPE and RPE if necessary and testing regularly. Other than that we need to carry on.

@TheWaterNokk

BuickMcKane for PM!

Looks like Boris's job will be up for grabs soon anyway, where do I apply

CEV people who are triple jabbed, have the option of wearing FFFP2/3 masks, and avoiding busy places, have been afforded FAR more consideration and protection than ANY of those other vulnerable parties I mentioned above. If you want to bandy the word selfish around, just be aware it can be turned straight round on you.

First of all - with the exception of those who have experience of it - there is little understanding on this thread of what CEV actually means. I have had FOUR jabs and still have little in the way of immunity. I am unable to take antivirals for several reasons and have been issued with emergency PCR. I am still being advised by my consultant to shield as far as possible because although Omicron is mild for those who don’t have comorbidities, the same cannot be said for those who are most vulnerable to Covid. I am still receiving emails from NHS England reminding me that the pandemic is not over and I still need to be careful.

Reading through the posts I can’t see where anyone CEV is suggesting that we should continue with economically destructive lockdowns and self isolation just to protect them. I”m certainly not suggesting that and I don’t think the OP is either - she is just expressing the alarm felt by many of us at the prospect of all restrictions being lifted, when essentially we are in the same position as this time last year as far as the number of cases is concerned. And we did not introduce lockdowns or shielding specifically to protect the vulnerable, as some on this thread are suggesting. It was done to stop the NHS being overwhelmed. As has been said many times, we need to get on with life and get back to some kind of normality, whatever that may be. Of course there are people who are vulnerable in different ways - both economically as well as health wise - but I think the OP was talking more about health and the alarm felt by those of us who have had the fear of god put into us over the last two years, at now being told we will have no more protection.

What I have seen from some contributors is a suggestion that maybe people would consider wearing masks in public indoor spaces in the spirit of community and recognising that not everyone is fortunate enough to be out of the woods - that’s been met in the main by scorn and one post even suggested that some were ‘hiding’ behind the label of CEV. Yes, there are ways we can keep safe and go about our business, but for many of us the only safe choice will be to keep shielding until we see how this plays out. A very unpleasant thread, and I’m out.

The other is selfish 'I'm all right Jack' and completely disregards any effect on anyone other than 'self' and tend to advocate the shutting away of the vulnerable and prioritising the economy at all cost

Ooh it's lovely to see that "i'm alright Jack" is back! I thought we had seen the last of that nauseating turn of phrase, but apparently not!

Yes, I noticed that too @DynamiteFilledRadish, sounds like something my 80 year old Dad would say.

@Rosscameasdoody

CEV people who are triple jabbed, have the option of wearing FFFP2/3 masks, and avoiding busy places, have been afforded FAR more consideration and protection than ANY of those other vulnerable parties I mentioned above. If you want to bandy the word selfish around, just be aware it can be turned straight round on you.

First of all - with the exception of those who have experience of it - there is little understanding on this thread of what CEV actually means. I have had FOUR jabs and still have little in the way of immunity. I am unable to take antivirals for several reasons and have been issued with emergency PCR. I am still being advised by my consultant to shield as far as possible because although Omicron is mild for those who don’t have comorbidities, the same cannot be said for those who are most vulnerable to Covid. I am still receiving emails from NHS England reminding me that the pandemic is not over and I still need to be careful.

Reading through the posts I can’t see where anyone CEV is suggesting that we should continue with economically destructive lockdowns and self isolation just to protect them. I”m certainly not suggesting that and I don’t think the OP is either - she is just expressing the alarm felt by many of us at the prospect of all restrictions being lifted, when essentially we are in the same position as this time last year as far as the number of cases is concerned. And we did not introduce lockdowns or shielding specifically to protect the vulnerable, as some on this thread are suggesting. It was done to stop the NHS being overwhelmed. As has been said many times, we need to get on with life and get back to some kind of normality, whatever that may be. Of course there are people who are vulnerable in different ways - both economically as well as health wise - but I think the OP was talking more about health and the alarm felt by those of us who have had the fear of god put into us over the last two years, at now being told we will have no more protection.

What I have seen from some contributors is a suggestion that maybe people would consider wearing masks in public indoor spaces in the spirit of community and recognising that not everyone is fortunate enough to be out of the woods - that’s been met in the main by scorn and one post even suggested that some were ‘hiding’ behind the label of CEV. Yes, there are ways we can keep safe and go about our business, but for many of us the only safe choice will be to keep shielding until we see how this plays out. A very unpleasant thread, and I’m out.

Well said.

Some of us still have to work as well, so 'shielding' properly us no longer an option. Thankfully I don't have to use public transport, but many do & you'd think it wouldn't be that much of an imposition for people to wear masks on public transport to help save lives. But apparently for many it is.

Will this actually happen though?
Or are the suggesting it now to make Boris look like the good guy and then in March he will blame a new varient for his reason to withdraw it!

Don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth anymore!

@Rosscameasdoody

CEV people who are triple jabbed, have the option of wearing FFFP2/3 masks, and avoiding busy places, have been afforded FAR more consideration and protection than ANY of those other vulnerable parties I mentioned above. If you want to bandy the word selfish around, just be aware it can be turned straight round on you.

First of all - with the exception of those who have experience of it - there is little understanding on this thread of what CEV actually means. I have had FOUR jabs and still have little in the way of immunity. I am unable to take antivirals for several reasons and have been issued with emergency PCR. I am still being advised by my consultant to shield as far as possible because although Omicron is mild for those who don’t have comorbidities, the same cannot be said for those who are most vulnerable to Covid. I am still receiving emails from NHS England reminding me that the pandemic is not over and I still need to be careful.

Reading through the posts I can’t see where anyone CEV is suggesting that we should continue with economically destructive lockdowns and self isolation just to protect them. I”m certainly not suggesting that and I don’t think the OP is either - she is just expressing the alarm felt by many of us at the prospect of all restrictions being lifted, when essentially we are in the same position as this time last year as far as the number of cases is concerned. And we did not introduce lockdowns or shielding specifically to protect the vulnerable, as some on this thread are suggesting. It was done to stop the NHS being overwhelmed. As has been said many times, we need to get on with life and get back to some kind of normality, whatever that may be. Of course there are people who are vulnerable in different ways - both economically as well as health wise - but I think the OP was talking more about health and the alarm felt by those of us who have had the fear of god put into us over the last two years, at now being told we will have no more protection.

What I have seen from some contributors is a suggestion that maybe people would consider wearing masks in public indoor spaces in the spirit of community and recognising that not everyone is fortunate enough to be out of the woods - that’s been met in the main by scorn and one post even suggested that some were ‘hiding’ behind the label of CEV. Yes, there are ways we can keep safe and go about our business, but for many of us the only safe choice will be to keep shielding until we see how this plays out. A very unpleasant thread, and I’m out.

I know no one is advocating for lockdowns now. But many on this thread were supporting them when they happened, despite the very obvious risks of harm to millions of vulnerable people (not to covid).