No isolation when covid positive in March

[Whathefisgoingon]

I just cannot get my head around this.

As far as I know, no other country has announced this.

For two years they’ve told us that it’s dangerous and now they’re prepared to send me to work directly next to someone infected with covid?

I had always believed it should be more socially acceptable to simply stay home when sick, as too many feel forced in to work with flu etc, but this takes the biscuit.

I understand we need to find a way to get back to some kind of normal but this seems extreme.

Will this really happen in less than 2 months!?

@containsnuts

tigger1001

Tealightsandd
Thankfully omicron has not been as bad as many said last November

Correct. It's been worse.

I'd better leave you all to it. I'm off to enjoy some time offline.

Have a good evening all.
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Not entirely sure how the figures were worse than predicted.

Tsunami was the worst used in Scotland to describe what was heading our way. Hospitalisations, while they did increase, did not surpass previous waves, which given the case numbers highlights it was milder than previous variants. Scotland lifted all their additional restrictions for omicron mid January.

Still have face masks here, but they don't seem to have a big impact given face masks have been worn here since they were introduced yet our rates were very similar to England. At some points englands rates were better."

Although actual numbers of people in hospital/ICU due to covid might have been less than previous waves, the impact has still been huge. Lets not forget the millions of people still on waiting lists for delayed treatment, the 3 weeks of cancelled routine GP appointments due to booster roll-out, military drafted in, firefighters driving the ambulances, more children admitted than ever before (although not desperately ill, it's still not desirable). I think the focus should move away from hospitalisations and deaths, and look at winder impact of a massive amount of infection going forward.

Isolation was what was causing the huge impact on staffing levels. In early January we were back to full households isolating if one person tested positive and it was 10 days isolation.

Workplaces were told to expect 25% of staff to be off isolating or Ill at any one time. And that was certainly true at my work.

Hospitalisations is the key figure. And how long the average stay is. These are what then generate other policies such as isolations which cause a huge impact right across the board.

@ tigger1001

Valid point but it's not just asymptomatic people isolating though. Even if you take that away, a lot of people are still unwell enough to need a few days/week off work. Many believe there are only two catagories: those in hospital or those bored at home. The truth is that there is a lot inbetween and it might be better to address this going forward since there will be no isolation but still the problem of a hige amount of covid infection.

I’m worried about this. I’m in third trimester and due in April.
I’m also overweight and I know if my husband tests positive I’ll have to birth alone, I don’t think I can emotionally do that after going through a lot recently.

We still don’t know what long term effects covid has on us/ our kids and think it’s insane that the government are just giving up.

@containsnuts

@ tigger1001

Valid point but it's not just asymptomatic people isolating though. Even if you take that away, a lot of people are still unwell enough to need a few days/week off work. Many believe there are only two catagories: those in hospital or those bored at home. The truth is that there is a lot inbetween and it might be better to address this going forward since there will be no isolation but still the problem of a hige amount of covid infection.

I get what you are saying. But if the people who are either asymptomatic or only ill for a couple of days don't need to isolate for longer than they are poorly, then that eases staffing pressures elsewhere. And that then allows for the people who have been hit harder with it time off sick.

If you are ill, you are then just off work ill. Like any other illness.

People just can't afford multiple isolation periods. For many it has a significant impact on their finances.

People just can't afford multiple isolation periods. For many it has a significant impact on their finances

Yes, this is it in a nutshell. I know some people that are on their third round of isolation and they have very little in the way of symptoms now.

All the self employed people too that just cannot afford to go on like this. A lot of them had to shut their businesses altogether for a time (hairdressers/beauticians spring to mind) and they haven't recovered financially from that yet.

@Sparklingbrook

People just can't afford multiple isolation periods. For many it has a significant impact on their finances

Yes, this is it in a nutshell. I know some people that are on their third round of isolation and they have very little in the way of symptoms now.

All the self employed people too that just cannot afford to go on like this. A lot of them had to shut their businesses altogether for a time (hairdressers/beauticians spring to mind) and they haven't recovered financially from that yet.

This is a significant issue.

@Sparklingbrook

People just can't afford multiple isolation periods. For many it has a significant impact on their finances

Yes, this is it in a nutshell. I know some people that are on their third round of isolation and they have very little in the way of symptoms now.

All the self employed people too that just cannot afford to go on like this. A lot of them had to shut their businesses altogether for a time (hairdressers/beauticians spring to mind) and they haven't recovered financially from that yet.

Absolutely.

And if you have younger kids then multiple periods of isolation will be fairly common. And although households no longer need to isolate, if it's a younger child then one parent needs to be home with them.

My eldest has done 2 periods of isolation where he was close contact but didn't develop covid. And one period of isolation when he did have covid. Had a headache for 2 days.

Youngest has only done one period of isolation when he did have covid - but we all had it at that point with the exception of my eldest.

And eldest was told someone he sat next to yesterday has now tested positive so fingers crossed he stays clear.

It's just not sustainable.

@Sparklingbrook

As for not being rude I think repeatedly saying ‘bodies piling up’ (or variants of) on every post is really upsetting and insensitive for anyone who has lost someone to this virus.

That isn't what I meant by 'rude'. I do agree that particular statement of Tea's isn't particularly PC. But it pales compared to the continued abuse from the other side.

I do agree that particular statement of Tea's isn't particularly PC

Understatement. It's quite disgusting. Everyone was outraged when Boris was said to have come out with it. So why the need to say it repeatedly on every post now? Knowing there are people on here that have lost loved ones?

@Sparklingbrook

I do agree that particular statement of Tea's isn't particularly PC

Understatement. It's quite disgusting. Everyone was outraged when Boris was said to have come out with it. So why the need to say it repeatedly on every post now? Knowing there are people on here that have lost loved ones?

Not sure. I'm not Tea. Do you have any comment on the other part of my post?

isn't particularly PC

Understatement. I get told off for saying covid was mild for me and my family, as that's seen as insensitive. Despite the fact that for most of us, it's actually true. Yet it's ok to say 'bodies piling up? No, that's insensitive. It's also untrue.

I know your'e not @Tealightsandd, I'm not sure why you would think that. Just posing a question really. What their thinking is.
I guess we'll never know.
I don't think there has been 'abuse' TBF and they keep coming back to say the same things over and over so they can't be too fussed.

@BuickMcKane

isn't particularly PC

Understatement. I get told off for saying covid was mild for me and my family, as that's seen as insensitive. Despite the fact that for most of us, it's actually true. Yet it's ok to say 'bodies piling up? No, that's insensitive. It's also untrue.

I agree this wave of Omicron everyone I know including myself and my CEV relative got it mildly (worst I know is retiring to bed for one day) but for some reason it's not okay to say that.

The first wave we would have been in a completely different position, I'm not sure CEV relative would still be with us had they caught it and DH lost a work colleague back then. Things are different now.

@BuickMcKane

isn't particularly PC

Understatement. I get told off for saying covid was mild for me and my family, as that's seen as insensitive. Despite the fact that for most of us, it's actually true. Yet it's ok to say 'bodies piling up? No, that's insensitive. It's also untrue.

I agree

I also think some of the hyperbole and untrue statements are posted to provoke, unfortunately.

@Sparklingbrook we got first wave covid, and even that was mild for us. I expected it to be so for my DC, wasn't sure about myself as I'm forties but no underlying issues and apart from loss of taste and smell and a crappy headache I could have gone about my life perfectly well. My mum is 80 and wouldn't have known she had it if she hadn't needed a test to go into hospital for something!

It's anecdotal of course, but it IS a fact that this is a mild or asymptotic illness for the majority. That's more of a fact than talking about bodies piling up or cases rising when the figures show a decrease not an increase!

I also think some of the hyperbole and untrue statements are posted to provoke, unfortunately.

Yep, and we all fall for it. Hook, line, sinker, rod and copy of Angling Times.

We could start signing off with our own repetitive emojis

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I also think some of the hyperbole and untrue statements are posted to provoke, unfortunately

Yeah, I think that's a given.

The other day tea just flat out lied. She said there are over 1 million people disabled with covid in the UK. I asked for a source, because this is completely out of whack with any numbers we actually have and also because people often cite the ONS long covid headline number (symptoms after 4 weeks) without knowing what it means. It's often an honest mistake.

What happened next is that she doubled down by claiming world expert cardiologists and epidemiologists had found this, specifically. When asked again for evidence, she didn't post any. Because it was an invention. It might initially have been a mistake, but the subsequent claim was simply misleading.

I'm fine with a bit of hyperbole, arguing and people are entitled to their own opinions too. But that was just not true, and it could've been really frightening to anyone reading it who took it at face value.

She said there are over 1 million people disabled with covid in the UK

What does this even mean? Disabled because they are suffering from Covid? right now? Or still suffering from the effects from when they caught it in 2020? My work colleague is just starting to get her smell and taste back from catching it back then-is she included in the disabled count?

Just keep going on here about one poster in your little group therapy session ... It doesn't make you appear any better.

Most people prefer facts and not provocation.

Some like it to remain as it’s good to stoke fear for whatever reason. But others will react or point out the incorrect statements.

There were other posters doing similar. But they seem to have disappeared.
If anyone needs a 'group therapy session' they aren't going to find it in the Covid topic on MN.

@Sparklingbrook

There were other posters doing similar. But they seem to have disappeared. If anyone needs a 'group therapy session' they aren't going to find it in the Covid topic on MN.

😂 true

I’ve had loads from some groups and this is pretty tame in comparison.

However if any posts go over the line though they can be reported,