Do you think the NHS will really fire all unvaccinated staff?

IncompleteSenten · 2022-01-20T10:39:30+00:00

I just can't bring myself to believe that will happen. Surely it must be bully boy tactics and at the last minute they'll back down. The NHS can barely cope now. How the hell is it going to cope with, what? 80,000-100,00 fewer staff?

GirlInACountrySong · 20/01/2022 10:43

They must also be changing their hiring policy so you have to take proof along to an interview?

Madness. Restrictions are lifting so covid is obviously something to just live aside now

Bluebluemoon39 · 20/01/2022 10:43

No I don't believe they will. How can they?

They would have to bring in a new law anyway first (which will never get passed by parliament IMO) otherwise they'll be drowning in lawsuits. As far as I'm aware we're still a free country and people have bodily autonomy?

VikingOnTheFridge · 20/01/2022 10:43

I'm wondering if they might try and use the decreasing rates as an excuse to back down. You know, Omicron wave over, through the worst of it, normalisation yada yada. But perhaps that's wishful thinking.

Fairylightsongs · 20/01/2022 10:44

Yes of course they have to, or they would have signficant legal issues from those who were forced to get a vaccine to keep their jobs. One hundred percent thr government won’t back down on this. They didn’t with care workers and they won’t with the nhs.

TheKeatingFive · 20/01/2022 10:45

I don't think it's practical no

Akire · 20/01/2022 10:46

They did it in social care sector I know the numbers are different but same vulnerable people going from one setting to another and back.

I think Wales and N Ireland are changing the law so new people agree to terms but not sacking the ones already employed. So could be way around it and juggle what staff are with most vulnerable patients?

SexTrainGlue · 20/01/2022 10:49

@Bluebluemoon39

No I don't believe they will. How can they?

They would have to bring in a new law anyway first (which will never get passed by parliament IMO) otherwise they'll be drowning in lawsuits. As far as I'm aware we're still a free country and people have bodily autonomy?

I dint think they do.

It's already the case that certain vaccinations are required for certain roles

VikingOnTheFridge · 20/01/2022 10:50

@Fairylightsongs

Yes of course they have to, or they would have signficant legal issues from those who were forced to get a vaccine to keep their jobs. One hundred percent thr government won’t back down on this. They didn’t with care workers and they won’t with the nhs.

They're going to have significant legal issues from all the extra clinical negligence claims because of the lack of staff. I'm not saying they will back down, I really don't know, but there doesn't appear to be a way currently open to them that doesn't raise some legal concerns. Almost like it was a fucking stupid idea in the first place...

ComDummings · 20/01/2022 10:51

I think they’d be nuts to go through with it.

SweetFelicityArkright · 20/01/2022 10:54

Yes I think they will, as a pp said backing down will mean lawsuits from those who have already lost their jobs because of this, and from those faced with getting it or losing their jobs and have got it on those grounds.

The government have done nothing to counter the losses in social care in real terms, there's been an ad campaign and the 'recruitment and retention' money paid to providers to squirrel away spend as they see fit, but no actual real action to ensure that people are attracted to the sector and want to stay there, so I don't see them doing anything to replace the lost workers in the NHS, the ones left behind and the patients will be expected to cope with the fall out as has happened in social care.

The reality is that no one will really be that bothered until it directly affects them and then they'll likely blame the people who are involved in their direct care (or blame will be directed there) for being inadequate, and therefore nothing will change for the better and people who can afford it will get private healthcare and those that can't will get little to no healthcare.

CleanUpTime · 20/01/2022 10:55

I have a family memeber HRBP for Nhs. Shes been working round the clock trying to manage the fall out from this in her trust. Huge city hospital. So if its going to change and they will revoke it please for the love of good announce that soon so she can actually get her life back!

vodkaredbullgirl · 20/01/2022 10:59

They did with the care sector and look how that turned out.

Flaxmeadow · 20/01/2022 11:02

If other places are to go by, they won't need to.
It was predicted in some parts of the USA that thousands of staff would refuse the vaccine but the numbers turned out to very low because they got the vaccine in the end

Bagadverts · 20/01/2022 11:04

I think one problem with the care sector change is that there isn’t enough on the news about how badly it is impacting residents/people being cared for at home and remaining staff.

VikingOnTheFridge · 20/01/2022 11:05

@Bagadverts

I think one problem with the care sector change is that there isn’t enough on the news about how badly it is impacting residents/people being cared for at home and remaining staff.

Yes, I'm not sure how far that has filtered through to the general public yet.

Cantbearsedtothinkofausername · 20/01/2022 11:10

I work in a big city hospital. There are currently lots of discussions with senior managers and people who are not vaccinated. Admin staff may get a reprieve if they only have 'incidental contact' with patients. They are talking in earnest about recruitment to posts of the people who have flat refused. It's insane at the moment. There is nothing they can do about it other than redeployment where there are no patients which means the IT shed

Narutocrazyfox · 20/01/2022 11:18

I think they'll have to go through with it now.

What a massive (and completely unnecessary) own goal for an already struggling service.

They will be begging the same staff to come back within 12 months!

Bagadverts · 20/01/2022 11:19

I have no first hand knowledge of care sector and googled, only thing I’m finding is from November last year, nothing about what has happened since it came in.

vodkaredbullgirl · 20/01/2022 11:24

Massive loss of staff and home's having to close, mainly smaller care homes.

StrongSunglasses · 20/01/2022 11:27

It was always and remains a terrible idea, and I hope they won’t go through with it.

CalicoAnnie · 20/01/2022 11:27

@Flaxmeadow

If other places are to go by, they won't need to. It was predicted in some parts of the USA that thousands of staff would refuse the vaccine but the numbers turned out to very low because they got the vaccine in the end

The Royal Melbourne hospital sacked 51 from 10,000 staff.

purpleme12 · 20/01/2022 11:29

I just can't believe this is happening
Surely we can't afford to lose these staff

Dontrainonmyparade · 20/01/2022 11:30

But the NHS as an organisation has no say? It’s a government directive and it applies to all health & social care settings, not just the NHS. There is no employer discretion.

babyKat · 20/01/2022 11:30

I live with a nurse and her boss is also unvacc and taking early retirement. I told my friend even if they fire, her, she can work privately and earn £600 a day, so what. there are plenty of private persons who do not care that will hire her. so it is her loss.
they are threatening and they wouild be stupid, because when this drama is all over, in a year or two, and all of this is proven illegal by claims to the human rights court, she will be able to sue the NHS for unfair dismissal by the way, any person would have a claim to the EU court, as mandatory vacc is still illegal under the Geneva convention.

caringcarer · 20/01/2022 11:32

They have received plenty of warning, so yes they should.