Death of unvaccinated pregnant Mum

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This is so sad:
www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/unvaccinated-mum-dies-covid-after-22592554?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=display&utm_campaign=exchange
I am posting in the hope that it will encourage more pregnant women to be vaccinated.

@Bluebluemoon agree with you. It is like the people who say 'I got Covid so mildly, I can't imagine how ill I'd been had I not had the jab'. Well I have had Covid unvaccinated and got it very mildly, just as vaccinated people around me weren't so fine. So many assumptions are made - it isn't the miracle cure so many believe it is. Our bodies react differently to the virus, jab or no jab. I had just a runny nose and a bit of sneezing, and haven't had a single jab. In the same way, this woman may have been just the same vaccinated.

@Bluebluemoon

I'm sorry, I'm confused. The article says she died of a blood clot that formed in her heart and travelled to her lungs.

We have no way of knowing whether she would still be alive if she'd had the vaccine. I'm no anti vaxxer and double vaxxed but this blanket acceptance that "oh yes, if she was vaccinated she wouldn't have died" is ridiculous.

Unfortunately even in this day and age women die in childbirth or from other problems soon after they've given birth.

I think this is exactly the kind of misinformation that PPs are talking about. It's completely incorrect to imply that there's no difference in risk for a vaccinated Vs unvaccinated pregnant woman. We know that's not the case. We already have data that show this. Scientists found that more than 99% of pregnant women admitted to hospital with Covid-19 are unvaccinated, with the Delta variant posing a greater risk of severe disease. (Source: Oxford University research published in Guardian article Aug 2021)

@Bluebluemoon

I'm sorry, I'm confused. The article says she died of a blood clot that formed in her heart and travelled to her lungs.

We have no way of knowing whether she would still be alive if she'd had the vaccine. I'm no anti vaxxer and double vaxxed but this blanket acceptance that "oh yes, if she was vaccinated she wouldn't have died" is ridiculous.

Unfortunately even in this day and age women die in childbirth or from other problems soon after they've given birth.

Blood clots are a major complication of covid and can be fatal. Anyone admitted to hospital with covid will be given daily anti coagulation injections. It's disingenuous to suggest that vaccination wouldn't have saved her.

@ReadtheFT

Never a mention of co morbidities? The lady looks to have been overweight from the photos, which is a known factor in covid risk?

....but underlying health conditions. Anti-vax bingo.

Pregnancy is a known factor in covid risk.

This is really sad.

Advice has been unclear from the start and between the government, media, midwives and vaccination centre staff it still is!

I've had 2 babies since the start of COVID.

With the first there was still no vaccine but I was shielding anyway so that was ok for me.

With the 2nd the vaccine was out and as CEV I was high up the list but pregnant. Due to my underlying medical condition, myself, my partner and my consultant felt it was best I have the vaccine, I was around 4weeks when I was eligible. I phoned my GP to get it booked and the receptionist wouldn't even book me in as I was pregnant. I spoke to my GP who agreed I should get it and booked me in. Turned up and was sent away despite telling them I had spoken to the GP. After much back and forth I finally had my 1st dose.

When it was time for my 2nd, I booked it, turned up and was refused it. Booked another 2 times and it happened again.

Finally Delta started kicking off and government guidance changed and said pregnant women should get it. Booked in and again was advised not to have it. Went to GP and asked for a letter and was advised against it again.

I was at my wits end at this point as I was commuting across London on the tubes and obviously worried.

Anyway, I eventually got my 2nd dose but it was really upsetting.

The media has been making out pregnant women are being silly not to to get vaccinated etc when in truth, of course pregnant women are going to be worried, being turned away, getting different info, not knowing what to believe.

As expected, the usual wide eyed disingenousness " Surely the woman would have been the same unvaccinated. I was!" Women dying unnecessarily in one of the richest countries in the world because of this anti-vax bullshit which MN won't regulate.

[quote Trinacham]@Bluebluemoon agree with you. It is like the people who say 'I got Covid so mildly, I can't imagine how ill I'd been had I not had the jab'. Well I have had Covid unvaccinated and got it very mildly, just as vaccinated people around me weren't so fine. So many assumptions are made - it isn't the miracle cure so many believe it is. Our bodies react differently to the virus, jab or no jab. I had just a runny nose and a bit of sneezing, and haven't had a single jab. In the same way, this woman may have been just the same vaccinated.[/quote]
Vaccination is not a miracle cure.
No-one has made that preposterous claim.
It's about reducing transmission and severity.

Never a mention of co morbidities? The lady looks to have been overweight from the photos, which is a known factor in covid risk?

This particular young woman was diagnosed with blood clots in her lungs in October, a month before she caught covid. But everyone just seems to read headlines these days and repost them here without even reading the story .

@Pinkywoo

I'm currently 30 weeks pregnant and every time I've been for scans they've been talking to women about the vaccine and offering jabs in the waiting room. I'm surprised to see people saying pregnant women haven't been encouraged to have the vaccine as that's not my experience at all, maybe it varies from trust to trust.

Same with mine. Walk in vaccination centre in the maternity waiting room. Encouragement from my midwife and consultant. But still I was handed a leaflet saying it wasn't recommended in pregnancy when I actually went to have it done. It's just not consistent.

This particular young woman was diagnosed with blood clots in her lungs in October, a month before she caught covid. But everyone just seems to read headlines these days and repost them here without even reading the story hmm.

Yes, it'd be interesting to know the exact details of cause of death in these pregnant women. This article should say "died with covid" but I guess that wouldn't get as many clicks.

In fact if it read "pregnant woman dies of blood clot" it wouldn't have even made a newsworthy story.

My prayers are with the family and friends of this poor woman.

@Toty

Never a mention of co morbidities? The lady looks to have been overweight from the photos, which is a known factor in covid risk?

This particular young woman was diagnosed with blood clots in her lungs in October, a month before she caught covid. But everyone just seems to read headlines these days and repost them here without even reading the story .

And indeed not read the Guardian article I posted, with data released from the NHS which says 20% of the most critically ill Covid patients are unvaxxed pregnant women. We don't have to rely on this article and discuss how fat this unfortunate young woman was.

@Toty

I thought that as well? Did covid cause her a blood clot or did she die of covid with a blood clot?!

On the flip side if she had of had the vaccine people would be using her story of the vaccine giving blood clots.

I'm double jabbed, I got first dose in June and second in August. I'm pregnant and I currently have covid I didn't even have a chance to get the booster before catching covid. Can I even have the booster now? Stories like this are terrifying I have a toddler as well as this baby and I can't let something happen to me

@JassyRadlett
We owe you. You and Olly, and a few others, have done more to educate people on MN than the current UK govt ever could, and despite the anti-vaxxers on here trying to thwart you at every step.
@CaliforniaDrumming, HQ are pretty good at deleting lies. But they need to be reported. This morning there was a thread with Us4Them twats trying to recruit and persuade hCPs not to get vaccinated and they were quickly deleted.

@Toty

Never a mention of co morbidities? The lady looks to have been overweight from the photos, which is a known factor in covid risk?

This particular young woman was diagnosed with blood clots in her lungs in October, a month before she caught covid. But everyone just seems to read headlines these days and repost them here without even reading the story .

It is ironic you are accusing people of not reading the article where no where in it does it mention the month of October

If you have found another source that says this, then link it?

She gave birth to her son on the 3rd Nov and then tested positive for COVID. This led to a cascadw of health issues which eventually led to her being re-hospitilised in December, dying of thrombotic complications.

@Pinkywoo

I'm currently 30 weeks pregnant and every time I've been for scans they've been talking to women about the vaccine and offering jabs in the waiting room. I'm surprised to see people saying pregnant women haven't been encouraged to have the vaccine as that's not my experience at all, maybe it varies from trust to trust.

I've had the same experience as you too. And that's over two trusts, one in SW London before I moved, and here in Yorkshire.

The information and advice has always been clear to me.

@NotMyselfWithoutCoffee

When I was pregnant back in March 2020 (gave birth end of May 2020) the guidance was pregnant women were no more vulnerable than any other group. Considering there is a now such a u-turn I'm not surprised women are still skeptical.

I find this way of thinking a bit odd if I'm honest. We are in a pandemic of a novel virus, of course advice has changed in the almost 2 years since March 2020 because we have more data and know more about the virus.

Oh dear God! Blood clots are a known side effect of Covid, and many pregnant women are now routinely prescribed blood thinners after testing positive, even if they are at home with mild symptoms. There are several reasons why pregnancy makes women extra vulnerable to Covid: reduced lung capacity is one, another is a greater risk of blood clotting in pregnancy which is exacerbated by covid; and a third is that pregnant women in the third trimester are naturally immunosupressed, so their body doesn’t reject the baby.

By the way, I am pregnant - I had my first two doses just before TTC and my booster at 8 weeks. No hesitation on either count.

Exactly. People need to be flexible

No, but not all the ‘questions’ are genuine and a lot of the answers definitely aren’t.

What we do know about vaccines is that all the scaremongering around ‘long term impacts’ ignores the entire history of vaccines. Side effects that appear beyond the 8 week mark are pretty much unheard of because of the biological mechanisms involved.

^^ This from @JassyRadlett regarding some of the latest, predictable contributions to the thread.

I’m another who used to try to rationally share fact-based, sourced information to counter misinformation and answer genuine questions from those who were worried. But it got too nasty and too relentless, and it wasn’t good for my mental health, so I’ve stopped. Selfish, maybe.

Your time is valuable and in any other setting you'd be paid (or at least thanked) for the information you take the time to add to threads. I don't think anyone can blame you for spending your days doing something rewarding instead attempting to battle through this sea of nonsense

I have appreciated & learnt from your posts and I'm sure there's loads of others who have too. I've always been pretty staggered by the level of patience and self-control you've shown tbh!

@Toty

Never a mention of co morbidities? The lady looks to have been overweight from the photos, which is a known factor in covid risk?

This particular young woman was diagnosed with blood clots in her lungs in October, a month before she caught covid. But everyone just seems to read headlines these days and repost them here without even reading the story .

Sorry, where does it say this? The article says she developed clots in mid-November after developing covid and giving birth?

[quote PAFMO]@JassyRadlett
We owe you. You and Olly, and a few others, have done more to educate people on MN than the current UK govt ever could, and despite the anti-vaxxers on here trying to thwart you at every step.
@CaliforniaDrumming, HQ are pretty good at deleting lies. But they need to be reported. This morning there was a thread with Us4Them twats trying to recruit and persuade hCPs not to get vaccinated and they were quickly deleted.[/quote]
The last time I reported something on the lines of "The vaccinated and unvaccinated are exactly the same in terms of transmission" I had to explain it in detail, so I am fed up now. I think most of the lies are much subtler. Bambi eyed statements like " Whatever choice you make will be right for you." and " I wish we could all get along like pre-covid and accept each other's choices." Kumbaya!

We are not going to go back to that stage.

@ReadtheFT

Never a mention of co morbidities? The lady looks to have been overweight from the photos, which is a known factor in covid risk?

All the more reason to get vaccinated, surely?

@Pinkywoo

I'm currently 30 weeks pregnant and every time I've been for scans they've been talking to women about the vaccine and offering jabs in the waiting room. I'm surprised to see people saying pregnant women haven't been encouraged to have the vaccine as that's not my experience at all, maybe it varies from trust to trust.

I think it varies midwife to midwife. The pregnant colleague I mentioned upthread is under the same hospital as I am for her antenatal care, and her midwife pretty much said she wouldn’t have it if she was pregnant. My midwife was positive about me having the booster while pregnant.

And just to counter the "you're only at risk if you're fat or diabetic" mobile.twitter.com/royalpapworth/status/1447645132795351041&ved=2ahUKEwii-9vJ_JX1AhUrQ0EAHYhhAPoQFnoECBEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw27DeqnDjla70AyWTnb1dg0

This is one of the "most critically ill pregnant women" we hear about. Doesn't look very obese does she? As someone who has looked after quite a few of these women, the striking thing about them is just how healthy they were pre-covid. I cannot tell you how heartbreaking it is, knowing that almost certainly they would be at home with their babies if they'd been vaccinated.