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Redburnett · 2022-01-03T09:44:55+00:00

This is so sad: [[https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/unvaccinated-mum-dies-covid-after-22592554?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=display&utm_campaign=exchange]] I am posting in the hope that it will encourage more pregnant women to be vaccinated.

AlfonsoTheGoat · 03/01/2022 17:55

[quote Innocenta]@CaliforniaDrumming I couldn't agree more. MNHQ could do a lot to combat dangerous misinformation - but they refuse to take responsibility. [/quote]
I agree. There is a lot that MN could do with regards to better moderation.

Outlyingtrout · 03/01/2022 18:01

We should not be giving pregnant women something else to worry about.

Please don't infantilise pregnant women by advocating that we not be made aware of legitimate health risks lest we "worry". We are absolutely entitled to all information relevant to our health and access to advice on preventative treatments. Having that information presented to us is not "scaremongering".

ClingyBab · 03/01/2022 18:05

@Outlyingtrout

We should not be giving pregnant women something else to worry about.

Please don't infantilise pregnant women by advocating that we not be made aware of legitimate health risks lest we "worry". We are absolutely entitled to all information relevant to our health and access to advice on preventative treatments. Having that information presented to us is not "scaremongering".

I agree, although I think it's been very detrimental that this information has not been clear, and still isn't, throughout. Evidently there are still pregnant women being made to feel by HCPs that they are doing the wrong thing by getting the vaccine.

As I say, when I was pregnant in the height of the first lockdowns before a vaccine was available the line was very much that Covid was not a risk to pregnant women anymore than any other person, something which I was sternly reminded of on here when I dared to be concerned for myself.

It has not been consistent and it is still not clear, that is not okay and needs to change before we can blame anyone for not getting vaccinated.

Boombangboom · 03/01/2022 18:06

I haven’t had my vaccines yet due to medication i was on while pregnant and was advised by doctor not to have the jabs then.
I’m now breastfeeding and want to have the jabs. My only concern is why so many women are having changes to their periods ( I can see many many instances on the conception pages) why would a vaccine change a menstrual cycle? I’ve had many vaccinations and never had anything like that happen

ClingyBab · 03/01/2022 18:06

And when I say it's not clear I don't mean scientifically. I mean it's not consistent or clear in terms of the advice being received from Gov and HCPs alike.

Reallybadidea · 03/01/2022 18:09

@roughmeasures

Everyone has their reasons for and against. There are many deaths on vaccinated pregnant (and unpregnant) women also. But that isn't reported on.

This just isn't true. ICNARC data shows that between May and December this year 467 unvaccinated women who were either pregnant or recently pregnant, were admitted to ICU with covid. The number who had 1 or more doses was less than 5.

louleey · 03/01/2022 18:14

@CaliforniaDrumming

Dont't even let me get started on the posters going "Your body your choice" or "Both decisions are fine." or "Let's not judge" .

Both decisions are not fine.

Excuse me?

CaliforniaDrumming · 03/01/2022 18:19

I am unclear as to what you are unclear about @louleey Both decisions are not medically fine for pregnant women. It's like telling a diabetic " Go ahead and eat that cake or eat some celery. Both are perfectly fine. No judgement."

We don't patronise to diabetics that way and we should not be patronising pregnant women. That doesn't mean diabetics are bad people. It means they should be given accurate advice about legitimate health concerns.

louleey · 03/01/2022 18:26

@CaliforniaDrumming

I am unclear as to what you are unclear about *@louleey* Both decisions are not medically fine for pregnant women. It's like telling a diabetic " Go ahead and eat that cake or eat some celery. Both are perfectly fine. No judgement."

We don't patronise to diabetics that way and we should not be patronising pregnant women. That doesn't mean diabetics are bad people. It means they should be given accurate advice about legitimate health concerns.

I may have misread your original message forgive me if I did. I read it that you were saying it wasn’t fine to come to the decision not to have the vaccine whilst pregnant. I think your body your choice is pretty much as standard as it gets?

Innocenta · 03/01/2022 18:27

@AlfonsoTheGoat Well, I suppose it's good we found something we agree on! I think the moderation should be much more rigorous about scientific topics like vaccine safety, and also re: racism, ableism, etc.

ollyollyoxenfree · 03/01/2022 18:29

@Outlyingtrout

We should not be giving pregnant women something else to worry about.

Please don't infantilise pregnant women by advocating that we not be made aware of legitimate health risks lest we "worry". We are absolutely entitled to all information relevant to our health and access to advice on preventative treatments. Having that information presented to us is not "scaremongering".

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Women should be directed to the RCOG website which includes a decision making tool. They should absolutely be informed that it is safer for both them and their baby to be vaccinated.

If they are not comfortable with being vaccinated then of course that's their choice, but they need to be making an informed decision, and that isn't possible if they're being pressured by the false claims such as those on this thread, or not having factual information provided to them.

Boombangboom · 03/01/2022 18:29

More research is needed on changes to periods & increased bleeding post menopause etc there are too many ‘may be this or may be that’ in the link below.
I also think they need some studies of those vaccinated in pregnancy and the babies who should now be about 6 months - 1 year old to assess things like milestones reached. A paper on these two areas would massively change the uptake

www.rcog.org.uk/en/news/rcogfsrh-responds-to-reports-of-30000-womens-periods-affected-after-covid-19-vaccine/

ollyollyoxenfree · 03/01/2022 18:33

@Boombangboom

I haven’t had my vaccines yet due to medication i was on while pregnant and was advised by doctor not to have the jabs then. I’m now breastfeeding and want to have the jabs. My only concern is why so many women are having changes to their periods ( I can see many many instances on the conception pages) why would a vaccine change a menstrual cycle? I’ve had many vaccinations and never had anything like that happen

It is very common to have menstrual cycle changes triggered by immune system activation and associated symptoms like a fever.

Your immune system is activated in many situations, such as infection or vaccination. It is something that has been reported in response to many existing vaccines.

CaliforniaDrumming · 03/01/2022 18:33

@louleey Your body your choice was a slogan for the right to abortion, now lazily applied to everything, including things that doctors advise you not to do. Of course pregnant women have the right to not have the vaccine, diabetics have the right to eat sugar all day, and alcoholics have the right to drink 5 bottles a day. However, no one should be spreading misinformation advising uncertain women on MN boards to do any of these because it's perfectly fine whatever choice you make. It's not fine. I hope I am clear. Certainly have posted enough. Soon, I will be called a pro-vaxxer, which I take a as a compliment.

louleey · 03/01/2022 18:37

[quote CaliforniaDrumming]@louleey Your body your choice was a slogan for the right to abortion, now lazily applied to everything, including things that doctors advise you not to do. Of course pregnant women have the right to not have the vaccine, diabetics have the right to eat sugar all day, and alcoholics have the right to drink 5 bottles a day. However, no one should be spreading misinformation advising uncertain women on MN boards to do any of these because it's perfectly fine whatever choice you make. It's not fine. I hope I am clear. Certainly have posted enough. Soon, I will be called a pro-vaxxer, which I take a as a compliment.[/quote]
The worlds gone crazy 😂let’s agree to disagree, enjoy your evening

ollyollyoxenfree · 03/01/2022 18:38

[quote Boombangboom]More research is needed on changes to periods & increased bleeding post menopause etc there are too many ‘may be this or may be that’ in the link below.
I also think they need some studies of those vaccinated in pregnancy and the babies who should now be about 6 months - 1 year old to assess things like milestones reached. A paper on these two areas would massively change the uptake

www.rcog.org.uk/en/news/rcogfsrh-responds-to-reports-of-30000-womens-periods-affected-after-covid-19-vaccine/[/quote]
There is huge amounts of research ongoing in order to understand the impact of coronavirus, coronavirus vaccines & the pandemic on women's health & specifically the menstrual cycle. Have linked before to several reserch groups and happy to do so again if you're interested.

Regarding the impact of maternal vaccination on offspring development:

You would struggle to get funding for such a study given that it is biologically implausible for maternal vaccination to impact offspring development in this way. I do not see how funding & diversion of research could be justified.
It would be impossible to conduct studies that give you unbiased estimates as currently unvaccinated and vaccinated pregnant women AND their offspring are not comparable.

dontcallmelen · 03/01/2022 18:44

@Northsoutheastwest76

Never a mention of co morbidities? The lady looks to have been overweight from the photos, which is a known factor in covid risk? Bingo. Every time.

I thought the picture of the woman holding the baby was the grandparent not the mother.

AlfonsoTheGoat · 03/01/2022 18:55

That's helpful, @ollyollyoxenfree. I appreciate your sharing this.

I have run out of patience with people who refuse to be vaccinated for whatever reason. Fine. Don't get vaccinated. But, equally, don't expect the NHS to clean up your mess.

CaliforniaDrumming · 03/01/2022 19:01

@AlfonsoTheGoat

That's helpful, *@ollyollyoxenfree*. I appreciate your sharing this.

I have run out of patience with people who refuse to be vaccinated for whatever reason. Fine. Don't get vaccinated. But, equally, don't expect the NHS to clean up your mess.

And I thought I was the most rabidly pro-vax person on here:)

I think the NHS should help everyone, including anyone who has not taken the vaccine. I get frustrated by some who haven't, but I still think they deserve the best care that is available.

secular39 · 03/01/2022 19:02

I think is thread is insensitive. Earlier guidelines advised pregnant women against having the vaccine and now they are favouring it. I think women who are pregnant are really stuck in a hard place. On one hand they worry about the safety of their baby whilst having Covid but are unsure of the effects of what the Covid Vaccine may do to their unborn child.

No matter what anyone says the Covid Vaccine is still very new and I do not judge anyone, let anyone pregnant women, who are unsure of taking the Covid Vaccine.

GoodPrincessWenceslas · 03/01/2022 19:05

@roughmeasures

Everyone has their reasons for and against. There are many deaths on vaccinated pregnant (and unpregnant) women also. But that isn't reported on.

The proportion of unvaccinated pregnant woman with covid who have died or sustained long term serious after effects from covid is way above that of vaccinated pregnant women.

GoodPrincessWenceslas · 03/01/2022 19:12

No matter what anyone says the Covid Vaccine is still very new and I do not judge anyone, let anyone pregnant women, who are unsure of taking the Covid Vaccine.

It really, really isn't very new. It's based on a tried and tested vaccine the mechanism for which is very well understood indeed and which can't affect a foetus. Moreover, it's now been further test on literally billions of people over the past year, including pregnant women, as a result of which obstetricians and gynaecologists are very firm in their advice that pregnant women should have the vaccine. I really don't know what further evidence anyone expects to emerge.

Cuck00soup · 03/01/2022 19:29

I've found it! Please do read this carefully if you are worried. The vast, vast majority of pregnant women who experienced serious complications of covid have been unvaccinated.

Staryflight445 · 03/01/2022 19:31

Had my second vaccine when I was 8 weeks pregnant.
Having my booster on Friday, I’ll be 26 weeks.
I have to say… I am a bit worried about it but understand it’s for the best.
My second one knocked me for 6.

OGenkiDesuKa · 03/01/2022 19:35

I had COVID while pregnant and unvaccinated and it was scary! I was ok though, quite ill for a few days. My midwives didn’t seem concerned though.