The unvaccinated out socialising.

[Whiskyinajar]

I know it's unreasonable to expect everyone to stay at home but I'm about to test as a relatives husband has just tested positive. It's now come out that he is unvaccinated ....not sure why. He's told his wife that he doesn't want the vaccine 🙄

What is annoying me is that he has socialised all over Christmas with family and my parents, many who are elderly with underlying health problems and who can ill afford to get this virus.

Everyone now has to test .

Thankfully it seems everyone (apart from him) has had both vaccines and a booster. Risks of them catching it are low but not out of the realms of possibility .

Just feeling irritated that he's taken the risk of not being vaccinated and then mixed with everyone.

No point to this post apart from me letting off steam but grrrrr! So cross.

Wandering, I’m so sorry you’ve been feeling so bad. Ignore the nastiness on here and the frothing hysteria about unvaccinated people causing another lockdown. You have every right to choose not to be vaccinated. Most sensible people recognise and respect that.

@WanderingFruitWonderer

I'm heartened by the fact that so many people who are fully vaccinated, on this thread, are defending those who've chosen to decline some or all of the jabs offered. A refreshing lack of division. Some recent threads have been very bullying towards 'the unvaccinated'. There are so many reasons why someone might not have yet accepted the offer to be jabbed. In my case, it's a mixture of veganism and crippling medical anxiety and OCD. I fully recognise that the vaccines are doing a great job at keeping the majority of Covid patients out of hospital, at least for a few months. I feel wretched with guilt (as in deep profound shame) about my vaccination status, and few people know. I tried going to a walk-in centre, and had a panic attack. But here's the thing, if taking the vaccine is seen as part of a social contract (as well as other reasons) then I'm trying to fulfill my social contract in another way - I haven't set foot in a pub, cinema, theatre etc, since the beginning of the first lockdown. I double mask in shops, and on the rare occasions I use public transport. I test once a week. I also work and live alone. So I try to stay as safe as I can, without the vaccine. A good thing I love hiking and reading! Unvaccinated people rarely fit the despised stereotypes, in my experience. I want to thank all the vaccinated people on this thread, who recognise it's not a black and white thing, and who've refused to engage in the othering. I am very very grateful. Some of the recent threads left me feeling almost suicidal. I think, in the real world, most people know at least one unvaccinated person, and have some understanding of their reasons, once explained...

Well said. I'm so sorry you've been feeling so low. It's awful how divided society has become and how much vitriol there has been over the issue. xx

@PoshWatchShitShoes

One of my very young DC caught the virus from someone triple vaxxed. Then 4 triple vaxxed adults (including me) caught it from from my DC.

All flu like symptoms. Must be super awful to catch it without any vaccination. I'm more irritated when someone is voluntarily unvaxxed and then takes up a hospital bed through their own idiocy.

It’s not always due to idiocy. There are many and complex reasons why someone may not want to take the vaccine. Some health conditions such as obesity make hospital admission more likely, regardless of whether someone has been vaccinated but I don’t advocate telling overweight people that their own idiocy in becoming overweight/not losing the weight since the beginning of the pandemic means they shouldn’t have medical care. For 99.5% of people they won’t have any likelihood of being hospitalised anyway.

@Flaxmeadow

"Someone who hasn't had all 3 jabs is unvaccinated"

+++

Since when did that become the established definition of unvaccinated, I know that is the definition Javid used when starting 97% patients in ICU were unvaccinated but that doesn't make it correct .

Besides on that definition and that of the over 12s only 50% of the eligible population have had a booster this means that 50% of the UK is unvaccinated, which is shockingly low!!!

Idontgiveaf324 Actually pretty much all the originally assumed risk factors for being severely affected by Covid have now been disproved except for age, obesity included. Genetic factors are now emerging as much more predictive, but at this stage the vast majority cannot know if we have those genes, or alternatively the ones that have proved protective, which is why so many of the arguments put forward for not being vaccinated, such as preferring to rely on a strong immune system are just not supported by the science.

I would be annoyed too OP. That so many are coming on here and saying that the vaccinated catch and transmit Covid as much as those who haven’t had the three vaccines is proof of their Covid denial. It just is not true, just as the triple vaccinated can’t assume they can’t catch and transmit it though the chances are less. Protection against Omichron is currently estimated at 70%. I would avoid contact with someone who wasn’t vaccinated unless there were understandable health or logistical reasons (physical and mental) for it just on the basis that I operate on a risk benefit basis when it comes to social activities and they are a greater risk. Then again there is nobody in my family or social group who isn’t vaccinated (including the twentysomethings who were quick to get to the walk ins when their twice vaccinated friends and colleagues started to drop like flies as the rate per 100k rose to 5k in their age group in the boroughs they live in) and it would certainly be counter to our norms, Those who haven’t had the vaccines are very noisy on here but the figures speak for themselves, they are a small minority who have a weak grasp of the science and reality.

I would add we have not travelled to see elderly relatives in areas where cases are low even though we are triple jabbed. It is pretty clear we are at least three weeks ahead of them in this wave and we don’t want to be the ones that take it there

Unvaccinated by choice should not be allowed out.

@BlackCatz

Should he never step out the door again then?

Yep

@Aphrodite31

Unvaccinated by choice should not be allowed out.

I don’t think you should be

I'm more irritated when someone is voluntarily unvaxxed and then takes up a hospital bed through their own idiocy.

I'm more irritated by judgemental fools who think everything is black and white.

@aphrodite31 I don't think vile humans like you should be part of society either.

@Aphrodite31

Unvaccinated by choice should not be allowed out.

I bet you were monitoring what your neighbours did during lockdown in case it didn't meet your version of 'the rules'

@Aphrodite31

Unvaccinated by choice should not be allowed out.

How about the 125,000 (at last count), NHS workers who are unvaxxed by choice. Should they not be allowed in to work then? Great way to actually bring the NHS to its knees. How do you propose to fill their positions with fully trained experienced replacements whilst you're 'not letting them out'?

The lunacy on this thread makes my teeth hurt.

You might like to worry about countless babies who's actual vaccine schedules have been messed up over the last 20 months leaving them open to some nasty things. Or doesn't that affect you?

@Aphrodite31

Unvaccinated by choice should not be allowed out.

Lunacy.

@Aphrodite31

Unvaccinated by choice should not be allowed out.

Here comes someone right on cue to demonstrate neatly that there's a small but vocal number of extremists. It doesn't matter about their views @WanderingFruitWonderer they've entirety lost the plot.

Unvaccinated by choice should not be allowed out

Less than 60% of eligible people in Birmingham have been fully vaccinated.

That suggests 40% of people will be sent home and unable to work.

The city would come to a screaming halt.

@Aphrodite31

Luckily your wishes will never happen.

Keep crying.

You join just to post that? You sad act.

People like you shouldn't be allowed out.

@Aphrodite31

Unvaccinated by choice should not be allowed out.

Meant to quote this trolling clown.

@DynamiteFilledRadish

You join just to post that? You sad act.

People like you shouldn't be allowed out.

Seconded

@PoshWatchShitShoes

One of my very young DC caught the virus from someone triple vaxxed. Then 4 triple vaxxed adults (including me) caught it from from my DC.

All flu like symptoms. Must be super awful to catch it without any vaccination. I'm more irritated when someone is voluntarily unvaxxed and then takes up a hospital bed through their own idiocy.

My Sister had cancer- obviously CEV. She was asked if she wanted the vaccination, and the risks were explained. She decided to 'protect the NHS'. Sadly, she immediately suffered pretty extreme side effects, and then used a bed for 3 weeks that could have been given to someone else. She actually asked if she could book a second jab. They refused. She did die of multiple organ failure after that, therefore freeing up the bed.

Sometimes you need to accept that people are all human, with life experiences we don't understand.
We all make decisions, based on the best information available at the time.

It's much easier when you can force yourself to believe that you are right, and everyone else is wrong.
It's difficult to actually listen. But it's important to listen.

I have only seen a small number of posters who I could describe as 'anti vaxers'.
I've seen a lot of posters who have made difficult decisions, based on a lot of soul searching.
But far too many who enjoy posting insulting messages, inventing statistics, and getting wildly excited by name calling.

What a time to be alive.

@Aphrodite31

Unvaccinated by choice should not be allowed out.

People like you should not be allowed internet access.

[quote Spotthedog91]@aphrodite31 I don't think vile humans like you should be part of society either.[/quote]
Agreed

Nextlevelnonsense

I am sorry for your loss.
What a terrible tragedy.

Aphrodite31
Don’t be a goody arsehole.
Deliberately stirring up shit you don’t mean.
If someone you loved chose to not get vaxxed and died I highly doubt you’d think that.
If you do, you may need a psych evaluation.