The unvaccinated out socialising.

[Whiskyinajar]

I know it's unreasonable to expect everyone to stay at home but I'm about to test as a relatives husband has just tested positive. It's now come out that he is unvaccinated ....not sure why. He's told his wife that he doesn't want the vaccine 🙄

What is annoying me is that he has socialised all over Christmas with family and my parents, many who are elderly with underlying health problems and who can ill afford to get this virus.

Everyone now has to test .

Thankfully it seems everyone (apart from him) has had both vaccines and a booster. Risks of them catching it are low but not out of the realms of possibility .

Just feeling irritated that he's taken the risk of not being vaccinated and then mixed with everyone.

No point to this post apart from me letting off steam but grrrrr! So cross.

@LyndaLaHughes

Sorry but this doesn't make any sense.

On the 10th December the Intensive Care and National Audit office stated that 48% of patients in ICU were unvaccinated based on data for November. After the 10th December there are press articles and Javid statement that 90 to 95% of patients in ICU are unvaccinated.

So the explanations are:
The Intensive Care and National Audit data is wrong and misleading
The press / Javid were wrong and misleading
Or both are right and that the percentage of ICU patients being unvaccinated rose from 48% in November to 90 / 95% in December.

@PowerhouseOfTheCell

They’ll be breathing our air next! The dirty bastards

Someone who hasn't had all 3 jabs is unvaccinated, especially if they were among the first to get the booster, which was months ago now and before Omicron

@Whiskyinajar

And yes I am pissed off as he mixed with the family, with a "bit of a cold" knowing he was unvaccinated. Forgive me for being annoyed about that.

And some of you need to learn to read before saying I am suggesting everyone should stay home. Do some reading about how viruses spread or have talk to some of the bereaved.

Sadly some of you won't get any understanding unless it affects you. ...and affects you badly.

I'd quite like to avoid that for my family thanks,

Out of this thread now and won't be responding anymore.

You come across as misinformed and your replies are tipping the tone of your posts towards one that comes across as you thinking you are better than those who chose not to have a vaccination. You aren’t.

I get visiting CEV people whilst displaying symptoms is bad but why would his vaccination status make a difference? He doesn’t become a covid ‘bomb’ because he’s decided not to have a vaccine.

I was double jabbed, caught covid and was hospitalised in HDU. Didn’t produce one antibody as I’m immuno suppressed. Everyone in my ward was under 55 and had been double jabbed.

We need to stop blaming people. Covid is here - we’re all trying to live with it. At best be kind and at least inform yourself better.

[quote 1dayatatime]@LyndaLaHughes

So only 10% of the eligible population is totally unvaccinated. Yet they certainly account for a much higher proportion than 10% in hospital.

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This is a rather simplistic and misleading statement as it doesn't show that on the vaccination uptake the majority of the unvaccinated are in the younger age groups whereas in the older age groups vaccination it is closer to 95%. Yet the hospital admissions remain disproportionately in the 70 year old plus patients.[/quote]
If those 10% as you say are the young- then surely they shouldn't be in hospital at all? Yet doctors are telling us they are seeing so many patients in their 30s and 40s who are seriously ill and unvaccinated. The young and unvaccinated are disproportionately in hospital compared to their vaccinated peers. Anecdotally- here in London- very nurse and doctor I know is saying the vast majority of the very sick people in hospital are unvaccinated. We have a higher proportion of unvaccinated than nationally - but it still does nowhere near account for the discrepancy. There is no data that can be found that argues that the likelihood of hospitalisation is not reduced with vaccination as clearly shown in the ONS data comparing rates from January to December. The difference is vaccines. If people don't want to get a vaccine- that is their personal choice but on 20th Jan 2021 we recorded our highest daily death toll of 1820. With the huge case count in the last few weeks- the death tolls are remaining much lower- for instance the largest number in last few weeks was around 170 (a figure higher than other neighbouring days) - more than 10 times less and we now have the highest rate of
Infections we have ever had throughout the whole pandemic. Vaccines work.

You mean I missed all of Christmas isolating with covid when I didn’t need to because I’m vaccinated ? Oh no wait

Give over

...clearly shown in the ONS data comparing rates from January to December. The difference is vaccines...vaccines work

Yes the data comparisons, pre and post vaccine, plain as day. Vaccines work. Hear hear

@bg21

in the kindest way possible, get a fucking grip !!!

Yep agree

We had unvaccinated fam over on Xmas. Didn't ask or care where they'd been previously. Only people i know who've had it recently were jabbed.

OP, if this is a wind-up, you did well

If it isn't... well, not worth much of a response, so I'll leave it at that.

@Whiskyinajar

Yes we did test....all of us did and he said he did too. But I've heard since that he didn't . He doesn't believe in it.

Well he obviously does believe in testing. How else did he get a positive result? And he obviously believed that the test is correct as he has told you all that he has had a positive test result. If he “didn’t believe in testing” he would have assumed the result was fake or faulty.

I'm heartened by the fact that so many people who are fully vaccinated, on this thread, are defending those who've chosen to decline some or all of the jabs offered. A refreshing lack of division. Some recent threads have been very bullying towards 'the unvaccinated'.
There are so many reasons why someone might not have yet accepted the offer to be jabbed. In my case, it's a mixture of veganism and crippling medical anxiety and OCD. I fully recognise that the vaccines are doing a great job at keeping the majority of Covid patients out of hospital, at least for a few months. I feel wretched with guilt (as in deep profound shame) about my vaccination status, and few people know. I tried going to a walk-in centre, and had a panic attack.
But here's the thing, if taking the vaccine is seen as part of a social contract (as well as other reasons) then I'm trying to fulfill my social contract in another way - I haven't set foot in a pub, cinema, theatre etc, since the beginning of the first lockdown. I double mask in shops, and on the rare occasions I use public transport. I test once a week. I also work and live alone. So I try to stay as safe as I can, without the vaccine. A good thing I love hiking and reading!
Unvaccinated people rarely fit the despised stereotypes, in my experience.
I want to thank all the vaccinated people on this thread, who recognise it's not a black and white thing, and who've refused to engage in the othering. I am very very grateful. Some of the recent threads left me feeling almost suicidal. I think, in the real world, most people know at least one unvaccinated person, and have some understanding of their reasons, once explained...

Being vaccinated doesn't stop you from getting it. It's been almost two years, how do people still not understand that?

Vaccinated or not YOU CAN STILL CATCH AND SPREAD IT. The vaccine only stops you from suffering badly enough to be hospitalised and/or die.

Oh and I'm not defending the unvaccinated at all. They are still bloody selfish to put that potential pressure on the NHS and will be the reason for another lockdown.

I couldn't really give a damn who has had the vaccine or not, the only reason I did was because I'm quite old so more at risk myself.

@PowerhouseOfTheCell

They’ll be breathing our air next! The dirty bastards

😀😂

@MollyQueenOfSocks

Being vaccinated doesn't stop you from getting it. It's been almost two years, how do people still not understand that?

Vaccinated or not YOU CAN STILL CATCH AND SPREAD IT. The vaccine only stops you from suffering badly enough to be hospitalised and/or die.

Viral load is the main difference and significant for the population at large

Look, people have autonomy over their bodies. Like it or not, you can’t force them to have a vaccine if they don’t want it and you can’t stop them socialising. It doesn’t even prevent infection. Do you think the 130,000 people who caught Covid yesterday were all unjabbed. There’s only about 5 million adults who haven’t been vaccinated and we’re almost hitting a million cases a week so the idea that they are all unvaccinated is laughable.

One of my very young DC caught the virus from someone triple vaxxed. Then 4 triple vaxxed adults (including me) caught it from from my DC.

All flu like symptoms. Must be super awful to catch it without any vaccination. I'm more irritated when someone is voluntarily unvaxxed and then takes up a hospital bed through their own idiocy.

You can catch it and transmit it even having had all 3 jabs! Being unvaccinated just means you're more likely to get a bad case of it

Well he obviously does believe in testing. How else did he get a positive result? And he obviously believed that the test is correct as he has told you all that he has had a positive test result. If he “didn’t believe in testing” he would have assumed the result was fake or faulty.

I'm presuming he only got tested because he got symptoms. There seem to be lots of people who, for some strange reason or another, are against testing with LFTs when asymptomatic.

I've not had the vaccine.

Caught it from my double jabbed friend (very mild at that)

@PoshWatchShitShoes

One of my very young DC caught the virus from someone triple vaxxed. Then 4 triple vaxxed adults (including me) caught it from from my DC.

All flu like symptoms. Must be super awful to catch it without any vaccination. I'm more irritated when someone is voluntarily unvaxxed and then takes up a hospital bed through their own idiocy.

Are people forgetting thousands of us caught it pre-vaccine? It was barely more than an irritation for many, and definitely not 'super bad' for the majority of us.

It's like people have forgotten the pandemic started a year before vaccines were available

Must be super awful to catch it without any vaccination.

Not only did huge numbers of unvaccinated people in the UK catch Covid in 2020, but worldwide unvaccinated people catch covid every day. The vast majority experience mild symptoms.

@MollyQueenOfSocks

Being vaccinated doesn't stop you from getting it. It's been almost two years, how do people still not understand that?

Vaccinated or not YOU CAN STILL CATCH AND SPREAD IT. The vaccine only stops you from suffering badly enough to be hospitalised and/or die.

Went to ILs this week and MIL's opening line was "Don't worry, we're all triple jabbed"

There are so many people who assume this makes them immune. In my family, it's the older generation. I think the Govt messaging should have been clearer and consistent on this one.

It was the same with handwashing. I have relatives who douse themselves in hand sanitiser but won't open a window in the car or let any ventilation in. One family member in their 70s, is so worried about touching handrails that she won't hold on to them properly now. She has very poor eyesight and is at more risk of a fall, but because Govt/public health announcements banged on about handwashing so much, and failed to talk about ventilation for an airborne virus, the handwashing became king.
It's similar with triple jabs, viewed as total immunity.