Work sending messages pleading for help

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My work has sent out an email this morning pleading for help today. I expect it will be
Like this for a few weeks now.

It's not an essential service likely but if my Work is doing it how are the essential services going to cope

This is why I think we will
End up with some restrictions soon.

@Blubells

Maybe the 7 day isolation rule should be scrapped for those who feel well enough to work?

Just because you don’t have symptoms doesn’t mean you can’t spread it. Imagine if you gp said he was feeling fine, went to work and sees 20 patients in a day. That’s a possible 20 people infected, they take it home to their families and the number multiplies. We’d be in for one hell of a January.

Why can't 2 days of consecutive -ve LFTs be enough? I feel well enough after 3 days of illness to start testing tomorrow to see if I'm still infectious.
I so thankful to governments investing in big pharma and all the human trialists who have together rapidly developed these vaccines so quickly! Catching it was a big worry for me as 1/3 of all those who have died have the same condition I do - my kids lost their dad in 2016 and I was in no way putting myself at risk. But so far I haven't even been as ill as I would be with a cold. Fingers crossed it isn't lying in wait....

Imagine if you gp said he was feeling fine, went to work and sees 20 patients in a day.

True, but if the alternative is no GP at all? If I need urgent help I'd rather be seen by a doctor with covid than no one at all....

True, but if the alternative is no GP at all? If I need urgent help I'd rather be seen by a doctor with covid than no one at all....

Is that the position we are currently in? Or is it that urgent cases ARE being dealt with, just more slowly?

If 100% of doctors in the UK were not working, because all were ill, then I agree that being treated by one of them would be better than nothing.

However, since there IS an alternative, as not all doctors are ill currently, let's not go for solutions that are worse than the problem, shall we?

@Blubells

Imagine if you gp said he was feeling fine, went to work and sees 20 patients in a day.

True, but if the alternative is no GP at all? If I need urgent help I'd rather be seen by a doctor with covid than no one at all....

Good for you.

I imagine those with elderly relatives, Chemo patients and heart disease patients in their families would be less than keen to have them knowingly infected by their GP.

Honestly - engage brain, if you're sick enough to need a face to face GP appointment, the last thing you want is to get Covid on top of your health problems!

@Blubells

Maybe the 7 day isolation rule should be scrapped for those who feel well enough to work?

Not this fucking shit again.

@Blubells

Maybe the 7 day isolation rule should be scrapped for those who feel well enough to work?

How does that help when you spread it to 10 other people and god forbid you work in a hospital. Although I’ve not read the whole post so maybe this was being sarcastic…..

[quote Blubells]@titchy Are you hoping that Covid will eventually go away?[/quote]
Isn’t the whole world hoping that? Who the fuck isn’t?

I think we should lockdown for 4 weeks to get Omicron under control and then open up properly with certain restrictions remaining in place indefinitely such as families still isolating when one person gets it, mask wearing and social distancing and to pay for proper filtering and ventilation in schools and also vaccinate 5-11 year olds. Plus schools should keep the various measures in place they had before such as separate entrances and exit times, own stationery, separate playtimes and lunches etc. This government was way too quick to dispense with ALL protections over such a short period and cases were on the rise before Omicron. We will continue to have new variants and need a short sharp response to deal with them whilst we conclude on their severity which we have not done yet with Omicron. Pandemics last 5-10 years and if that had been the global health message, we wouldn’t see the level of ignorant comments such as ‘we need to learn to live with it’.

Approximately 12,000 children have lost a parent to covid and the legacy of that trauma far outweighs staying at home with your parents for a few months at a time whilst new variants and spikes are brought under control.

1500 people die from flu each year. If ‘only’ 100 people die from Covid each day, that’s 36,500 people. That’s completely unacceptable in my view and unprecedented situations require unprecedented action and learning to live with it should include lockdowns and restrictions if required without the utterly hysterical response.

With the current death rates at approx 150 per day, we see the equivalent of a 9/11 every 4 weeks and yet the Tories do not seem to care. They won’t even publish what they believe to be an acceptable number of deaths because ultimately they accept the deaths of all our loved ones now we have vaccinations.

Yet if Covid-19 was a banking crisis caused by their own banking system's utter greed, I am sure they would find the required bail out money. But this is a health crisis, that they should have been planning and saving for anyway as one was due. For all those banging on about the future generations debt to bear, why not turn your attention and campaigning energy to the eye watering amounts of tax payers money wasted on bank bailouts, tax avoidance, Test and Trace and contracts given ten times over to friends of MPs “providing” PPE that wasn’t fit for purpose, the list goes on.

I’d like to see that money paid back into the system by this govt and this could help bailout any businesses affected by future lockdowns and restrictions. I want to feel safe and I want my children to feel safe and it certainly doesn’t feel safe, again, at the moment.

@Fenwick2006

I think we should lockdown for 4 weeks to get Omicron under control and then open up properly with certain restrictions remaining in place indefinitely such as families still isolating when one person gets it, mask wearing and social distancing and to pay for proper filtering and ventilation in schools and also vaccinate 5-11 year olds. Plus schools should keep the various measures in place they had before such as separate entrances and exit times, own stationery, separate playtimes and lunches etc. This government was way too quick to dispense with ALL protections over such a short period and cases were on the rise before Omicron. We will continue to have new variants and need a short sharp response to deal with them whilst we conclude on their severity which we have not done yet with Omicron. Pandemics last 5-10 years and if that had been the global health message, we wouldn’t see the level of ignorant comments such as ‘we need to learn to live with it’.

Approximately 12,000 children have lost a parent to covid and the legacy of that trauma far outweighs staying at home with your parents for a few months at a time whilst new variants and spikes are brought under control.

1500 people die from flu each year. If ‘only’ 100 people die from Covid each day, that’s 36,500 people. That’s completely unacceptable in my view and unprecedented situations require unprecedented action and learning to live with it should include lockdowns and restrictions if required without the utterly hysterical response.

With the current death rates at approx 150 per day, we see the equivalent of a 9/11 every 4 weeks and yet the Tories do not seem to care. They won’t even publish what they believe to be an acceptable number of deaths because ultimately they accept the deaths of all our loved ones now we have vaccinations.

Yet if Covid-19 was a banking crisis caused by their own banking system's utter greed, I am sure they would find the required bail out money. But this is a health crisis, that they should have been planning and saving for anyway as one was due. For all those banging on about the future generations debt to bear, why not turn your attention and campaigning energy to the eye watering amounts of tax payers money wasted on bank bailouts, tax avoidance, Test and Trace and contracts given ten times over to friends of MPs “providing” PPE that wasn’t fit for purpose, the list goes on.

I’d like to see that money paid back into the system by this govt and this could help bailout any businesses affected by future lockdowns and restrictions. I want to feel safe and I want my children to feel safe and it certainly doesn’t feel safe, again, at the moment.

Hahaha. Sorry to break it to you but you are living in dream land. Do you really think we're going to have another hard lockdown? And self isolation in place after contact with an infected person indefinitely? Jesus wept there are some people living in la la land on this thread. Listen, at most we might move to some restrictions similar to Wales and Scotland but I'd say there's more chance of me being hit by a bus tomorrow than a hard lockdown being implemented in the future, and I'm not even planning on leaving the house tomorrow!

And as for a hysterical response... You think 100 people a day dying with covid (keeping in mind the recent research which showed 65% of hospitalisations relate to people who happened to test positive whilst in hospital for other things, and so likely make up those death rates) is enough to continuously shut down the country with hard lockdowns indefinitely? I really think you need to educate yourself on the wider social consequences of lockdown and how they are regularly reported by researchers to be far, far more damaging than covid will ever be.

@Blubells

The only reliable way to exert some control over highly infectious illnesses is isolation

But we're not trying to 'exert control' over the virus. I think it's inevitable that it's here to stay. We're going to have to build up immunity through vaccination and through exposure to the virus, and get on with our lives.

Amen!

IF omicron does indeed prove to be as mild as the common cold (including for those CEV/elderly etc) then do we really need to continue to isolate? Im aware a bit more data might be needed before any changes to legislation, but no one raised an eyebrow before when people went to work with colds. Of course in certain areas (such as oncology wards) this would not be feasible. I feel very strongly about inadequate and unsafe patient care due to medically fit staff being off. It would never have been acceptable for staff to ring in sick with a cold before. I know I'm going to likely get flamed for this and shrieked at for "minimising" but again, my point is if omicron is categorically milder. People are so blindsided by the hysteria around covid that they simply cannot see the bigger picture of the swathes of patients who will die due to serious understaffing

This is the governments fault for being fucking useless.
Don’t turn on each other.
Look up, and turn if those making political decisions to infect us all & ruin our health system.

@user1487194234

Is it not mainly because of the isolation rules that so many people are off work?

Yes this

Apart from in the health service in some trusts, only someone actively infected needs to isolate in England IIRC? So it is not isolation, but infection that is the issue?

Maybe it is because of the viral load school staff are exposed to making illness somewhat more severe, but I have not been aware of anyone infected through working in a school who would have been fit to return to school much before the end of the isolation period - and in some cases well after?

Even the new 7 day release won't work for schools, because the guidance strongly advises returning to a crowded environment so no school staff would be able to return to classrooms until the end of the 10 days.

I work for the nhs covid testing team and 8 out of 30 of our team are currently positive. My LFT has just turned positive tonight so I’m heading into work to get a PCR. It’s just a nightmare at the minute but it is what it is and we just have to pull what we can together and try to make the best of it.

All dropping like flies in our shop..... since Boxing Day 4 people have tested positive. And 2 of them are managers and another one full time. I’ve had to change my plans so I can make myself more available ( I’m one of the few more experienced staff we have left. I took 2 days off next week, one day is DS birthday and the other day was dd inset day so I was taking her shopping, now I’m taking her tomorrow after work just in case,

1. I catch covid or
2. We get more people testing positive.

Tbh I'm on the fence with this. My DS (8) caught it from school before Christmas, he missed all the end of the year fun stuff and it made him sad. He got really ill, really quickly with it and it made his asthma a million times worse. DH work told him to stay off and to do daily tests which we both did. DH caught it. He was ill, but not as bad as DS. I, somehow, despite being high risk, have had all negative tests but was advised to have a PCR due to me having all the symptoms which I went for today.

The problem with Covid is that you can have it and feel totally fine but you can literally pass it to someone and they can die. It's terrifying how bad it can get. I watched my son having the fever shakes, asleep on the sofa with a 39°c temp.

It's not as simple as "if they feel fine they should be able to go to work"

Personally I think everyone should be doing an LFT every 3 days and if it's positive then isolate and if not then go to work.

@Jessicabrassica

I work in the NHS. Community based secondary health care. Nobody in our team , or even our building, has had covid. We have tested twice a week and are now testing daily. Most of us have had pcrs, most of us have children who have tested positive. But none of us has had it. We go out at weekends, pubs, clubs, see friends, visit elderly parents in care homes etc but we lft. We haven't spread covid. We haven't stopped working. We are providing the kind of service we did pre-covid. It's not been difficult. I really don't see why other people find this so challenging.

I think this is called luck.

That's luck.

Our neighbouring secondary school was trumpeting its almost zero cases and no class closures ...until a third of the school closed over a single weekend and they very nearly had to close more due to lack of staff.

@sheikhmaraca
There are CEV children in the UK. Shielding may have been stopped for them but make no mistakes they are still extremely vunerable to covid. The governement removed them from the shielding not because they were any less at risk because it suited there propaganda.

Your number of deaths is extrordinarily out of date and death toll is no well over a 100 children. Plus the 1 in7 that are suffering from long covid.
But this wont suit your agenda so you will cherry pick the data to suit your agenda. The only think that will change your mind is your own child being impacted negatively

No Autumndays123, I definitely don’t think we will have another lockdown as that would mean this government taking responsibility and making correct decisions based upon actual science.

Instead, rather terrifyingly, to deal with the economy grounding to a halt, not due to lockdowns ironically but due to the amount of people getting infected (due to their let it rip policy not working as low and behold people are getting sick) they will take away ANY need to self isolate. We will then see where that leads but in my opinion:

More deaths
More long covid
More exacerbation of existing illnesses
More eventual lockdowns
More uncertainty for businesses
And ultimately a let it rip policy that sees a new vaccine beating variant and then we really are screwed.

Or we could live in a less boom and bust fashion with various protections (aka restrictions in your world) for the next few years until we have achieved a global vaccination programme.

And yes I have read and educated myself as to the mental health impacts of lockdown but I would say dead parents or disabled ones and the worry and trauma of that or long covid (currently 70,000 children approximately living with LC) trumps not being able to go to school for peak infection periods or not having a birthday party or go on holiday for a few years. Ask those who remember the war.

@Autumndays123

I'm with you on this!

I'm considered to be CV but I live alone and even before covid, I would only venture out of my house once a week to get my groceries and maybe once a month to see my son.
Throughout the past 21 months I've done exactly the same, I haven't had my groceries delivered because I don't spend enough each week for it to be a viable proposition, so I've been out and got my own groceries. I did stop seeing my son (for 16 months) because his partner is also CV, so we did this to protect each other.
Thus far I've been fine (other than my pre-existing health conditions), have never felt the need to do even a single lft never mind a pcr. Nothing in my life has changed, I've used my own common sense and decided what level of risk I'm prepared to take. I'm an adult, not a 5yr old and I don't need a government that doesn't follow its own rules/guidance to tell me how to live my life!

Colour me cynical, but ALL employers should ask for proof of ALL
PCRs -forwarding the original mail...to confirm that employee actually made the effort to take the test in the first place and to confirm positives.