Christmas and the unvaccinated

[Whathefisgoingon]

Has anyone changed their plans?

DP and I fully vaccinated including booster. Two year old obviously isn’t.

Plan was to go to the in laws, but there will be a couple of relatives there who are not vaccinated and live in London.

I have voiced my concerns to DP but he became defensive saying it’s no different to me popping to the ships. It’s obviously very different because when I go to the shops I’m wearing an FFP2 and not sitting indoors for hours on end with others.

Anyway, I genuinely don’t know what to do. The obvious solution is for all to do lateral flows, but apparently with Omicron they can change within hours so they’re not that reliable.

If these relatives weren’t going about life in London as normal, I may feel differently.

Thoughts?

Tbh if your fully vaccinated you’ll be fine it’s those that aren’t that may not be but they’ve made their choice.

It's not true to say that vaccinated people are just as likely as unvaccinated to catch it and spread it. Transmission is significantly reduced (as well as severity).

Regardless of vaccination status the reasonable thing would be for everyone to take a LFT that morning.

[quote Whathefisgoingon]@Palavah Because central London is rife at the moment. There is a serious problem, and you’d think they would have been able to lay low for one sodding week before Christmas to keep their elderly and vulnerable relatives safe.[/quote]
I know, I live there.

That's up to them, they've obviously decided that's ok in their own risk assessment. Work out what's ok in yours.

Taking lateral flows is more reliable than not taking them. Up to you whether you decide you'd rather not go to your relative's for Christmas, and you can explain why.

(btw, everyone I know is already doing regular lat flow especially before social events, but then i don't know anyone not vaccinated by choice)

Gosh, are you not allowing your unvaccinated 2 year old to mix with other children then? That's very sad.

@mailpal they don't though - I really don't understand why people keep posting this. If you're triple vaccinated you're less likely to contract a symptomatic infection and therefore less likely to transmit it to other people.

OP what was the point of you and your DH getting vaccinated if you won’t go about life as normally if you can? The plague ridden Londoners are the only ones at real risk here, so if you are looking for an excuse not to visit your in-laws come up with a better one 🤷🏻‍♀️

@Toty I agree. So presumably this toddler has not been going to nursery or any playgroups/soft play/swimming pools. How sad.

@InMySpareTime

This thread puts me in I mind of this tweet I saw:

love it!

I've changed my plans. Was meant to be meeting family on Boxing Day but have decided not to go as I'm unvaccinated and there's a couple of people going who I know would judge me for this & give me a hard time.

By the way, it's been lovely reading everyone's posts this morning. Have been feeling a bit down in the dumps as there's been so many threads over the last two days laying into 'the unvaccinated'. So thanks for anyone who has been supportive - it means a lot.

the whole point of why i got vaccinated was so i didn't have to constantly worry about catching covid .i go out .do what I want to and generally live my life. unvaccinated people run more risk than me
i couldn't care less if i socialize with them as thats the whole point of why i had it .
just stay at home op .you sound like so many of the hysterical paranoid wrecks on these covid threads .

people that have been vaccinated and fucking carry on like the might as well not have been are the ones that make me despair

@IgneousRock we obviously know that severity of infection is reduced by vaccination but is there any information available yet about how much transmission is reduced by being double or triple vaxxed by the new variant?
I couldn’t find much. Only this this.
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.hindustantimes.com/cities/mumbai-news/omicron-cases-in-maha-over-80-breakthrough-infections-101640008227543-amp.html
80% vaccine breakthrough rate but I think in double rather than triple vaccinated.
This is for delta but suggests that once once infected transmission isnt greatly reduced in vaccinated vs unvaccinated, only slightly.

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v2.full

Again not for the new variant or for triple vaxxed but I don’t think we have enough data at the moment to say that vaccinated people are significantly less likely to transmit Covid. Obviously there will be some reduction but I’m not sure worth avoiding unvaccinated people for. I think assuming people who are unvaccinated are the risk will give people a false sense of security.

They do not pose a danger to you as you are Boosted and all of us are going to be exposed to Omicrom multiple times.

So in that way, it's perfectly safe.

I would struggle to sit at a table with them though for a few hours because of the sheer lack of respect I would have for them.

They should cancel though! They are the ones most at risk from the meeting and they should be isolating themselves to limit their risk of getting Covid.

@InMySpareTime

This thread puts me in I mind of this tweet I saw:

“Boomer parent”? How very 2019.

So it’s ok to name one group of people with a derogatory term but naming another group according to the fact of their vaccination status is not on?

So you think your vaccine protects you against Covid but not 'the unvaccinated?' How does that work?

@3WildOnes yes I agree with you actually. The risk of transmission is lower if you're vaccinated, but there's still a risk, so if you're nervous you should avoid indoor gatherings completely.

It just annoys me when posters keep saying that vaccinated people are just as likely to transmit!

I can understand why you are wary OP as it sounds as though they are a bit irresponsible and careless of their own health. But tbh most of us are probably going to be exposed to Omicron sooner or later, I think it is going to be almost impossible to avoid soon.

I can honestly say nearly everyone I know who has had covid recently are vaccinated.

InMySpareTime what a delightful person you mist be.

Must be.