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Christmas and the unvaccinated

210 replies

Whathefisgoingon · 20/12/2021 18:23

Has anyone changed their plans?

DP and I fully vaccinated including booster. Two year old obviously isn’t.

Plan was to go to the in laws, but there will be a couple of relatives there who are not vaccinated and live in London.

I have voiced my concerns to DP but he became defensive saying it’s no different to me popping to the ships. It’s obviously very different because when I go to the shops I’m wearing an FFP2 and not sitting indoors for hours on end with others.

Anyway, I genuinely don’t know what to do. The obvious solution is for all to do lateral flows, but apparently with Omicron they can change within hours so they’re not that reliable.

If these relatives weren’t going about life in London as normal, I may feel differently.

Thoughts?

OP posts:
mailpal · 21/12/2021 05:25

People fear is honestly taking over our lives, switch off the news/ media, it's brainwashing..

Think for yourselves and stop being so worried all the time.. fear and control go very well together..

This new variant, the case numbers, no doubt another new variant in the new year..

This is it now, we must learn to live with it and accept it/live as before now most are vaccinated or live in fear the rest of our lives.

JabNotInArm · 21/12/2021 05:29

If these relatives weren’t going about life in London as normal, I may feel differently.

Isn't this the crux of it? The unvaccinated thing is a red herring (though it's definitely riled up a few!).

I wouldn't be risking the long term health of my unvaccinated kids around people who presumably aren't interested in taking precautions to protect themselves and others.

JabNotInArm · 21/12/2021 05:31

This is it now, we must learn to live with it and accept it/live as before now most are vaccinated or live in fear the rest of our lives.

All well and good, but what happens when hospitals are inundated and people can't access lifesaving treatment in the new year because ICU and A&E are full of Covid patients?

mailpal · 21/12/2021 05:39

@JabNotInArm we are where we are with it... we have to accept this as it stands right now and the current hospital situations of course not good/ideal but this is unprecedented.. take precautions where you see fit but don't spread fear or hate of those who have chosen to not have the vaccine for whatever reason.

Being human, our whole lives are full of risk to our safety and health.

Stop panicking, projecting and accept this is it now and the foreseeable.

As a species we are strong and can recover. Look at China, barely gets mentioned these days and they had the very worst of it initially.

Suzi888 · 21/12/2021 05:43

And you got vaccinated because????? What was the point! The great unvaccinated should fear you, not the other way around.

For the majority of people, covid is a cold. Omicron is meant to be the mildest variant isn’t it.

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Whathefisgoingon · 21/12/2021 07:26

The amount of people going “ohhh but YOURE jabbed, so why do you care?”

Once again.... my child isn’t. We also know with Omicron (rife in London) the efficacy drops to around 70% against symptomatic disease.

Those saying “having the vaccine doesn’t stop you getting it, it just stops severe disease” need to read this and understand that it DOES also help with this but it is not perfect.

The relatives in question were out in central again last night for dinner and drinks. I despair.

I don’t think we will be going.

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FflosFfantastig · 21/12/2021 07:32

@Notdoingthis

'the unvaccinated'!
I know, these dirty dirty people...

It's a truly sick society isn't it that views perfectly healthy people as diseased!

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Whathefisgoingon · 21/12/2021 07:36

Oh give it up.

It’s factual and it does make a difference.

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Eredoor · 21/12/2021 07:39

Its because they are out and about mixing with different people you need to be worried about, not their vaccine status

Remmy123 · 21/12/2021 07:41

I've said this on other threads but my UNvaccinated friend did NOT pass it on to his UNvaccinated wife or kids - they shared the same room.

Remmy123 · 21/12/2021 07:43

OP don't go and stay in because you sound far too paranoid.

Stuffin · 21/12/2021 07:45

I have had both vaccines plus the booster.

I don't care or ask about anyone else's vaccine status. It makes no difference to me and I totally support peoples right not to take any medication.

Don't go OP but realise that anyone around you may be unvaccinated or lie about their status.

TrufflyPig · 21/12/2021 07:46

I'm with you OP. I wouldn't go.

3WildOnes · 21/12/2021 07:50

@ichundich I think you were missing the point that as the vaccine doesn’t stop you getting Covid then these guests aren’t actually a risk to the OP, they are the ones who are at risk not the OP. The OP is triple vaxxed so should be fine.

changeyourname11111 · 21/12/2021 07:50

@Notdoingthis

The unvaccinated. Reminiscent of 'the unwashed'. Language is powerful.
^ this
Palavah · 21/12/2021 07:51

I'd be less concerned about their vaccination status and more concerned about the basic courtesy of a lateral flow test.

Why do you despair about them going out for drinks and dinner?

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Whathefisgoingon · 21/12/2021 07:52

@3WildOnes Wrong.

Being fully vaccinated provides 70% protection against symptomatic disease with Omicron. If you don’t have covid you can’t transmit it.

Why is this so hard for people to understand?

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3WildOnes · 21/12/2021 07:52

Does your 2 year old not go to nursery or playgroups? Your two year old is probably mixing with people who are unvaccinated every day, you just don’t know about it.

Enb76 · 21/12/2021 07:53

Unless your child is CEV, and even if the are, the risk to them from Covid is teeny tiny. There is more chance of them being injured by the car crash that you might have on your way to meet your relatives. You are vaccinated and you are still probably more at risk from Covid than your unvaccinated child.

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Whathefisgoingon · 21/12/2021 07:53

@Palavah Because central London is rife at the moment. There is a serious problem, and you’d think they would have been able to lay low for one sodding week before Christmas to keep their elderly and vulnerable relatives safe.

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Dentistlakes · 21/12/2021 07:54

It wouldn’t bother me if other people are unvaccinated.
After all, a large number of people aren’t if you take children under 12 into account. Our household is as fully vaccinated as it can be, but we have one unvaccinated child and another who has only had one. We aren’t excluding them from the festivities and wouldn’t exclude unvaccinated adults either.

We are being careful who we do see though and won’t be seeing my elderly parents (their choice). We also aren’t going to any events or crowded places in the run up to Christmas.

3WildOnes · 21/12/2021 07:55

@Whathefisgoingon I get that I do. My response was to a different poster.

Soybean31 · 21/12/2021 07:57

@Notdoingthis

'the unvaccinated'!
I agree, very concerning way to refer to people. I'm eligible for a flu jab and have had one every year for about 20 years. People have never made such a fuss over whether people have had a flu jab or not, but the covid vaccine seems to be driving a divide in society which isn't helpful.
SergeiL · 21/12/2021 07:57

Everyone getting upset about someone saying ‘the unvaccinated’ which is a status people have generally by choice (obviously there are exceptions).

However, many of ‘the unvaccinated’ have been talking about ‘the vulnerable’ (which is generally not a status by choice) for the past 2 years. Not very nice is it, being talked about in those terms.

RobinPenguins · 21/12/2021 07:59

I wouldn’t be particularly bothered about vaccination status but we’re all doing lateral flow tests. Yes they are not 100% and yes they can change by the hour but it still feels a more reliable method than relying on vaccination status when we know that there’s a substantial level of breakthrough infection with omicron.

I don’t class unvaccinated toddlers as vulnerable unless there’s a massive drip feed coming, the risk to them is incredibly low.