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Original poster

AIBU to think people unwilling to get vaxxed but willing to accept treatment for covid = hypocritical as fuck?

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PurpleIndigoViolet · 19/12/2021 19:35

While I disagree with people who are unwilling to be vaccinated due to concerns about the speed of vaccine development, ‘we’re all guinea pigs’ etc I can sort of under their point. What I am struggling to understand though is those people who refuse the vaccine for this reason but then are willing to accept hospital treatment for covid.

Surely if you think the vaccine is too rushed, long term effects aren’t fully known etc, then you’d apply this thinking to the treatments used for covid too? These treatments have only been used in relation to covid for less than two years so all these anti-vax arguments hold true for covid treatments as well. Yet it seems many anti vaxxers have no qualms about seeking hospital treatment for covid if they get seriously sick.

So - if you refused the vaccine on the grounds mentioned above, and you have received, or would be willing to receive, hospital treatment for covid, I’m curious how you justify this logically?

OP posts:
Covidclaire · 19/12/2021 20:01

@SleepingStandingUp

People choose to smoke - are the unreasonable to not refuse cancer treatment? People choose to snowboard - are they unreasonable to not refuse treatment for a broken leg? People choose to drink - are they unreasonable to not refuse treatment for liver damage? People choose to not get a new vaccine they're unfamiliar with - why are THEY unreasonable to not refuse treatment for covid?

Perhaps if we're worthy treating we should also refuse to treat anyone who's broke lock down rules?

These kind of comments are really starting to bore me.

Every packet of cigarettes that is bought, every bottle of alcohol purchased carries tax that goes to the exchequer (and helps fund the NHS). Not sure of the position now but there are plenty of reports from about 10 years ago that say the exchequer was a net gainer from smokers. That’s one of the key reasons there has not been an out and our smoking ban, because of the money it raises in taxes.

And most people breaking a leg snowboarding will be overseas where they will need to have paid for travel insurance to even get off the mountain let alone pay for their treatment.

Try again.

Original poster
PurpleIndigoViolet · 19/12/2021 20:01

@Bluntness100 and @howley1 Thank you for expressing what I was trying to say much more succinctly than I did!

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Congratulationsandcelebrations · 19/12/2021 20:03

I haven't been vaccinated and of course if I ended up in hospital with covid I wouldn't refuse treatment.
I can't really explain why I haven't been vaccinated, it isn't the speed of how it was created, it isn't because I think I'll become a 5G wifi hub, I've just had a feeling in the pit of my stomach not to.
I am going on the initial advice that healthy, younger, not vulnerable people are statistically likely to have mild illness.

I had an issue with my foot once, it swelled up and I couldn't walk - I was prescribed anti inflammatory medicine and told to go for a blood test - I just couldn't go for the blood test, I had the same feeling not to. I wouldn't say I had a fear of needles as I don't but it is something to do with the needle. As I said I can't explain it and I know you're reading this thinking I sound insane but I can't articulate my feelings on it.
I've tried to talk myself into a vaccine but it doesn't work.
I'm not an anti vaxxer and wouldn't say I was selfish.
I've actually just tested positive so we'll see how that goes.

Covidclaire · 19/12/2021 20:03

@howley1

I don't think people are getting the Ops question.

If people turn down the vaccine because they don't want the experimental drug.. Will they also turn down the new Ritonavir (Pfizers antiviral drug u will be given ?)

I doubt it. It doesn’t resonate quite as well with their woke bollocks.
Covidclaire · 19/12/2021 20:05

I am going on the initial advice that healthy, younger, not vulnerable people are statistically likely to have mild illness.

This is the epitome of selfishness.

Serenschintte · 19/12/2021 20:06

I’m not sure that’s correct about paying for treatment in Switzerland
Although it is true some unvaccinated have not been allowed into hospital eg to visit their baby in special care.
Ppl should be allowed to choose what they put in their body - it’s called consent. It’s important.
And it is possible to have unpleasant side affects from the vaccine - I had a big reaction, a week of tiredness and three weeks of headaches after 2nd Moderna.
Another friend had shingles after her vaccination - so so very itchy - I saw the scratches and scars on her arm.
A neighbor was vaccine injured - water in lungs, water around her organs. And when she did get Covid it was very mild. She only have 1 vaccine because of the reaction she was advised not to have the next and has spent months having treatment.
On the other hand my DH and DS are fine.
So yes there should be choice and no negative consequences if one chooses not to be vaccinated. There should be more information about treatments to do early.
Often by the time a person gets to hospital it is too little too late. Listen to Joe Rogans’ podcast with Dr McCullough.

Bunnyfuller · 19/12/2021 20:07

Of course don’t deny them treatment - they can pay the bill.

howley1 · 19/12/2021 20:07

@Congratulationsandcelebrations I think you should work on what seems to be a needle or medical intervention phobia, even if you are fine from covid as hopefully you will be, not getting blood tests and the like when you may have infections or cancers or anything in the future will be really important at some point..

MintJulia · 19/12/2021 20:08

More likely they are scared. They thought they were immortal - and we all know someone like that - then discover they aren't.

Refusing to treat someone because they made a mistake is no way to act.

Congratulationsandcelebrations · 19/12/2021 20:08

@Covidclaire

I am going on the initial advice that healthy, younger, not vulnerable people are statistically likely to have mild illness.

This is the epitome of selfishness.

You can call me selfish if you want, I explained my feelings. I think people who want people to be forcibly vaccinated are akin to rapists and are the actual selfish ones.
PrincessPaws · 19/12/2021 20:09

no but the fact that you are obese stops someone else getting an appointment for eg cancer that was outside their control. Whereas the obese person with type 2 diabetes would have had a high chance of not getting diabetes if they'd lost weight.

do oncologists treat type 2 diabetes? I didn't realise that

AnotherOneWithNoGoodName · 19/12/2021 20:09

@JuergenSchwarzwald

Obesity isn’t contagious and you can’t kill other people by giving them obesity

no but the fact that you are obese stops someone else getting an appointment for eg cancer that was outside their control. Whereas the obese person with type 2 diabetes would have had a high chance of not getting diabetes if they'd lost weight.

Also we don't require people to donate blood to receive it (in fact it's the opposite) and we don't require people to be on the organ donor register to receive.

And those who call people who aren't vaccinated stupid please remember that people have died after having the vaccine. The risk might be very low (and much lower than getting the illness) but it's no consolation if it's one of your close relatives.

Diabetes and cancer are two different specialities though. Someone obese needing treatment by one department should have no impact on anybody else needing treatment for another condition which isn't treated by the same doctor.
Congratulationsandcelebrations · 19/12/2021 20:10

[quote howley1]@Congratulationsandcelebrations I think you should work on what seems to be a needle or medical intervention phobia, even if you are fine from covid as hopefully you will be, not getting blood tests and the like when you may have infections or cancers or anything in the future will be really important at some point..[/quote]
I agree but I don't know where to start or how to go about it.
I'm just being bombarded with people going on about vaccines when the issue is bigger than a covid vaccine for me.
As I said I have covid now and I just feel like people are wanting me to die to say "I told you so" regarding vaccines.

motheroflions · 19/12/2021 20:11

how many of these threads are they now?

EmpressCixi · 19/12/2021 20:11

I think you are misusing the word hypocritical
It means to do the opposite of what you say you will/would do.
It doesn’t mean because you won’t do A, you should also do vaguely related B or you’re a hypocrite.

So, yes YABU to think people unwilling to get vaxxed but willing to accept treatment for covid = hypocritical as fuck?

Selfish is a more fitting descriptor.

Bunnyfuller · 19/12/2021 20:12

Takers

Bunnyfuller · 19/12/2021 20:13

Entitleds

howley1 · 19/12/2021 20:13

@Congratulationsandcelebrations most therapists/counselling will say they deal with phobias and should be able to help you. even if you're not totally sure which part of it you're nervous of right now, they will help figure it out. Good luck!

Sometimeswinning · 19/12/2021 20:14

It's a good question. Why does it needs to be derailed by the how about crew? I personally would be interested in the answer.

Covidclaire · 19/12/2021 20:17

i think people who want people to be forcibly vaccinated are akin to rapists and are the actual selfish ones.

Wow. You’re likening people getting frustrated with anti vaxxers to rapists? You are obviously a deeply disturbed individual. I hope one day you get the help you so clearly need Flowers

MrsBerthaRochester · 19/12/2021 20:19

People who have had the vaccine can still catch and spread covid. I have weighed up the rIsk of being seriously ill with covid and am prepared to take my chances. Im not prepared to sacrifice any more of my kids freedoms and rights to a proper education to ensure 80 year olds live another year.
The nhs is NOT on its knees due to the unvaxxed and frankly if you believe that then you are the "thickos"
We have an ageing population and a social care crisis and that is why the nhs is screwed.

JoanWilderbeast · 19/12/2021 20:20

I'm surprised how popular this sort of opinion is btl on the Guardian.

BritWifeInUSA · 19/12/2021 20:21

Obesity isn’t contagious and you can’t kill other people by giving them obesity.

It absolutely is. And you can. Children will copy their parents’ habits. Children who are brought up thinking McDonald’s every day is perfectly normal will likely continue to eat like that. And feeding children salt-laden, fatty crap will “give” them obesity.

XenoBitch · 19/12/2021 20:22

@Covidclaire

i think people who want people to be forcibly vaccinated are akin to rapists and are the actual selfish ones.

Wow. You’re likening people getting frustrated with anti vaxxers to rapists? You are obviously a deeply disturbed individual. I hope one day you get the help you so clearly need Flowers

I have been forcibly jabbed (under mental health act), so I know where that comment is coming from. It is like being attacked.
BonnesVacances · 19/12/2021 20:22

The point OP is making is why is the vaccine deemed to be too experimental, but not hospital treatment for Covid?

I think there will be many in the "Covid is fake" camp who would also turn down the Covid treatment. I remember seeing videos of people demanding to be discharged and then going home and dying.

Other people aren't prepared to "take chances" with a vaccine but have nothing to lose once they have Covid and need life-saving treatment.

Antivaxxers have always been a PITA. But it mainly doesn't affect us all so they are just left to get on with it (or not in their case). Unfortunately at the moment their stance is causing us all problems, and contributing to our health services being overrun and potentially not being able to treat people who are trying hard to protect themselves.

And the vast majority have this stance based on misinformation. Hmm