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Original poster

AIBU to think people unwilling to get vaxxed but willing to accept treatment for covid = hypocritical as fuck?

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PurpleIndigoViolet · 19/12/2021 19:35

While I disagree with people who are unwilling to be vaccinated due to concerns about the speed of vaccine development, ‘we’re all guinea pigs’ etc I can sort of under their point. What I am struggling to understand though is those people who refuse the vaccine for this reason but then are willing to accept hospital treatment for covid.

Surely if you think the vaccine is too rushed, long term effects aren’t fully known etc, then you’d apply this thinking to the treatments used for covid too? These treatments have only been used in relation to covid for less than two years so all these anti-vax arguments hold true for covid treatments as well. Yet it seems many anti vaxxers have no qualms about seeking hospital treatment for covid if they get seriously sick.

So - if you refused the vaccine on the grounds mentioned above, and you have received, or would be willing to receive, hospital treatment for covid, I’m curious how you justify this logically?

OP posts:
LlamaParma · 19/12/2021 19:37

But where does it end - should obese people who are overweight through over eating be denied treatment for the conditions that are exasperated due to that over eating? After all they don’t respect healthy eating advice so why should they accept the treatment?

See where it could lead to?…

LadyCampanulaTottington · 19/12/2021 19:38

YANBU. Here in Switzerland if you go to hospital with covid and you have refused the vaccine you are liable for all costs which are eye watering. My gallbladder surgery was 28,000 Swiss francs for example (paid by my insurance).

It’s a choice. Some people choose stupid.

LadyCampanulaTottington · 19/12/2021 19:39

@LlamaParma

But where does it end - should obese people who are overweight through over eating be denied treatment for the conditions that are exasperated due to that over eating? After all they don’t respect healthy eating advice so why should they accept the treatment?

See where it could lead to?…

Obesity isn’t contagious and you can’t kill other people by giving them obesity.
Original poster
PurpleIndigoViolet · 19/12/2021 19:39

I don’t think non vaccinated people should be denied treatment. I’m just curious why they’d accept treatment for covid but not accept to be vaccinated in the first place.

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TheCatWearsPrada · 19/12/2021 19:41

I'm sure if you have a look at the many many threads asking the exact same question you'll find an answer.

SleepingStandingUp · 19/12/2021 19:41

People choose to smoke - are the unreasonable to not refuse cancer treatment?
People choose to snowboard - are they unreasonable to not refuse treatment for a broken leg?
People choose to drink - are they unreasonable to not refuse treatment for liver damage?
People choose to not get a new vaccine they're unfamiliar with - why are THEY unreasonable to not refuse treatment for covid?

Perhaps if we're worthy treating we should also refuse to treat anyone who's broke lock down rules?

Shepandawing · 19/12/2021 19:42

I dont think your logic stacks up, people are being treated for covid with medicines and treatment that has been around for a long time?

I am vaxed but I can see if you were confused or a skeptic why the messaging now isn't helping.
If you are not vaxxed you are being urged to get vaxxed and if you are, you are being urged to get a booster as the vax may not work.

A580Hojas · 19/12/2021 19:42

Ditto alcoholism, dangerous sports, and all the other ridiculous "butwhatabouts" you see constantly rolled out on here.

Narutocrazyfox · 19/12/2021 19:43

I justify it on the basis I most likely won't need hospital treatment in the first place. I had covid last month, felt a bit off for a couple of days, but fine now. I've had worse colds.

If the very unlikely scenario of needing hospital treatment were to occur, I would happily receive it, just as the smokers and the overweight do. I pay my taxes towards the NHS and that's exactly what we pay for.

Boombastic22 · 19/12/2021 19:45

I’m with you OP.

They’ve turned down the recognised treatment for covid. Frankly they should be denied other treatment. Far too risky for them.

And I think this is fully distinguishable from obesity/alcohol etc. We are in a global pandemic.

ToJabOrNotToJab · 19/12/2021 19:45

Im not sure how much discussion is had with patients about their treatment? Would you even know you were being treated with 'new' drugs? I imagine the conversation would be along the lines of:
DR: "You need oxygen as your Sat's are low, we are giving you steroids and anti-virals to help your lungs and to help fight the infection."
PATIENT: "Thank you doctor."

Northofsomewhere · 19/12/2021 19:47

While I really do think everyone who can get the vaccine should get the vaccine I don't think it's hypocritical to get potentially life saving treatment should they get covid. No one should feel they can't get treatment from a preventable illness (ok covid is not entirely preventable event when vaccinated but you get the idea) just because other people may judge them or they'll be seen as a hypocrite. Yes it costs the NHS more than if they were vaccinated and didn't need medical intervention but I don't feel we have reached the point where vaccine status should impact how someone feels about seeking help.

DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 19/12/2021 19:48

I was hospitalised after my second home birth - I didn't want to go to hospital before the birth as I had had a successful straightforward first home birth, but I still needed to be taken there on blue lights after the birth of my second child.
By your logic I might not accept ambo/NHS treatment because I didn't want a hospital birth in the first place?

I also played rugby and cycle, I'd hate to not receive the same treatment as everyone else because someone said my injuries were self inflicted?

underneaththeash · 19/12/2021 19:49

I think we should just impose restrictions on people who choose not be vaccinated - limit entry into indoor venues, large capacity and reduce their risk of becoming infected.

We give hospital treatment to lots of people who do stupid/dangerous things.

drpet49 · 19/12/2021 19:52

** I’m with you OP.

They’ve turned down the recognised treatment for covid. Frankly they should be denied other treatment. Far too risky for them.

And I think this is fully distinguishable from obesity/alcohol etc. We are in a global pandemic.**

^This

Octavi · 19/12/2021 19:53

Don't think people who drive too fast has been mentioned yet. Plenty of those about.

XenoBitch · 19/12/2021 19:54

I am so glad I went to Lidl and got a whole pack of cheap Biscuit

howley1 · 19/12/2021 19:54

There are very few true antivaxers who are against all vaccines and medicines and being extra careful about what goes in their body in all other ways..

The vast majority of this anti covid vaccine lot are just a bit thick rather than holding true medicinal understanding & beliefs. So I don't think they would even think twice about accepting everything thrown at them in hospital once they actually get ill.

JuergenSchwarzwald · 19/12/2021 19:54

Obesity isn’t contagious and you can’t kill other people by giving them obesity

no but the fact that you are obese stops someone else getting an appointment for eg cancer that was outside their control. Whereas the obese person with type 2 diabetes would have had a high chance of not getting diabetes if they'd lost weight.

Also we don't require people to donate blood to receive it (in fact it's the opposite) and we don't require people to be on the organ donor register to receive.

And those who call people who aren't vaccinated stupid please remember that people have died after having the vaccine. The risk might be very low (and much lower than getting the illness) but it's no consolation if it's one of your close relatives.

Iamkmackered1979 · 19/12/2021 19:56

People eat too much, smoke, drink and take drugs, so dangerous sports/risky lifestyles etc and get nhs treatment so you can’t really say no vaccine no treatment. I don’t think it’s a road we want to go down.

JuergenSchwarzwald · 19/12/2021 19:56

@Octavi

Don't think people who drive too fast has been mentioned yet. Plenty of those about.
Yes, they'll still get scraped up off the road even though they drove at 70 in a 30 limit. And they may directly injure or kill others as well as themselves.
DockOTheBay · 19/12/2021 19:58

I didn't refuse the vaccine, had my booster yesterday. However I can see the logic here. Many people didn't have the vaccine because they're low risk for covid and don't believe they will get very ill, therefore the "risk" of the vaccines appears greater than the "risk" of covid.

If you already have covid and are in hospital, the "risk" of covid to you is clearly greater so the "risk" of the treatments is Worth it.

ginghamstarfish · 19/12/2021 19:58

I agree, should have to sign a form saying you won't be taking up a hospital bed if you refused the vaccine. But of course it won't happen in this country, and have read all the usual moans about obesity, alcohol etc, but at least those don't infect others. By the same logic those who moan and wail about 'vaccine passports' - should have to give up their actual passport, driving licence etc - those pieces of paper you have to show in order to be able to do a certain thing. Hypocritial thickos.

Bluntness100 · 19/12/2021 19:59

I think some people are deliberately missing the point of what you’re asking.

You’re asking if you reject a vaccine because it’s new, why would you then accept a treatment that’s also new if you get ill

But the answer is in both instances they are doing what they deem best for them personally.

howley1 · 19/12/2021 19:59

I don't think people are getting the Ops question.

If people turn down the vaccine because they don't want the experimental drug.. Will they also turn down the new Ritonavir (Pfizers antiviral drug u will be given ?)