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Do unvaccinated people not see they are part of the problem?

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User135644 · 19/12/2021 11:21

I accept it's people's right whether they get jabbed or not, entirely up to them. However, the more people stubbornly refuse a vaccine then the worse it'll be for all of us. The hospitals will be more stretched and we'll have more restrictions, lockdowns or circuit breakers. People who won't get the vaccine are often the most anti-lockdown or restrictions, yet are part of the problem as to why we'll keep getting them.

Where exactly do they think we'd be without vaccines? We wouldn't have had a relatively normal 6 months or so with everything open, that's for sure.

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Puppyseahorse · 19/12/2021 12:34

You’re right. It’s an essentially unsolvable problem. Yes, we have to allow people bodily autonomy. Yes, that’s also part of the reason this may never end.

I don’t envy those in charge of deciding what to do.

JanisMoplin · 19/12/2021 12:36

@Libertybauble

Also, you’re at far more risk from me, double vaxed and boosted, than you are from a dirty diseased unvaxxed person with a negative test.
DS currently has what is is likely to be Omicron and has tested negative twice. He doesn't seem to register on LFTs. Like most young people with mild cases. He is vaxxed.
DayzeeDaresYou · 19/12/2021 12:37

Maybe the title should be “People who refuse to wear masks and follow the rules are part of the problem” or “People who believe triple jabbed people can’t pass on Covid are part of the problem”.

Theworldisfullofgs · 19/12/2021 12:37

They don't.

An unvaccinated person, I know went on holiday knowing that their covid risk was high. Got covid and refused to test, flew home. Ended up in hospital. Exposed the whole flight, incredibly selfish.

No they don't get it.

HeyDugeesCakeBadge · 19/12/2021 12:37

Bigbabs, whilst I'm thankful that you took the time and effort in that etymology lesson, I remain steadfast in my assertion that I think they are a virtue signalling exercise. Merry Christmas.

bumbleymummy · 19/12/2021 12:37

What they do is keep unvaccinated people (more likely to need NHS resources if they catch it) away from situations where they are more likely to catch it, reducing pressure on the NHS.

A vaccinated 60 yr old is still more at risk than an unvaccinated 20 year old. So no, that’s not what it’s doing at all. And the vaccinated 60 year old being allowed into a crowded venue with lots of other vaccinated people who haven’t had to test and could be infected, could end up in hospital too.

DowntonCrabby · 19/12/2021 12:37

I wouldn’t expect them to get it.
It’s just utterly ironic that the “control” and perceived lack of liberty they are against by not having the vaccine is exactly what they’ll get when those of us fully jabbed are allowed much more freedom to socialise/travel etc in the coming months.

Beautiful3 · 19/12/2021 12:38

People have choices and free will. The opposite to that, is scary. Do we want to be like China/Russia/North Korea? Nope, I don't. Let people make their own choices, based on their beliefs. If you're vaccinated then you have nothing to worry about, if they get it they get it.

bumbleymummy · 19/12/2021 12:39

@Theworldisfullofgs

They don't.

An unvaccinated person, I know went on holiday knowing that their covid risk was high. Got covid and refused to test, flew home. Ended up in hospital. Exposed the whole flight, incredibly selfish.

No they don't get it.

Yes, one foolish person is clearly representative of millions Hmm
Gargellen · 19/12/2021 12:39

I agree.

It used to be that thick people only impacted their own lives with their thickness. Now they are acting as a reservoir for infection that impacts everyone of all intelligence levels.

Even with everyone vaccinated it will still be a huge issue but at least people with cancer and the like would get proper and timely treatment.

Everything is being held back by the hardest of thinking and with some of them they seem to be refusing the vaccination just because they can and they seem to think it conveys some sort of merit upon themselves. If the government stated that unless people are vaccinated they would not receive treatment, they would be getting themselves vaccinated fast enough!

LeMeuilleurPattissier · 19/12/2021 12:39

I wonder how many antivaxxers have seen someone die from respiratory failure? The vaccine does reduce the risk of ending up on icu massively.

XenoBitch · 19/12/2021 12:40

What a horrible thread. Many people who are unvaccinated are absolutely terrified of side effects, or of the injection itself.
If you want people to have the vaccine, you don't do it with threads like this. One pp said that unvaccinated people lack empathy..... looking at this thread, it is the other way around.

ElephantOfRisk · 19/12/2021 12:40

Oh and what about fat people and people who smoke or drink or do drugs? All those selfish fuckers making their own decisions and taking more than their fair share of NHS resouces....Hmm

Imagine if they'd made an effort to properly fund the health service and people didn't moan about paying taxes or the govt didn't piss money on stupid stuff

The threat in all of this is not so much unvaccinated people, it's an under resourced NHS and also people who are overweight and have type 2 diabetes or pre diabetes.

It's been publicised that is a major risk factor in developing complications with covid so has everyone on here who wasn't a healthy weight when this was identified, now lost weight to minimise their risk (and to "save the NHS"), or are they just moaning about unvaccinated people?

heldinadream · 19/12/2021 12:40

I'm so bloody angry with them at this point I'd like to see lockdown for the unvaccinated. Yes, really. And I know that'll feed into all their stupid conspiracy theories but I'm not sure I care any more. I hope cooler heads than mine are in charge because I recognise this is largely an emotional reaction.

Honeyhorse · 19/12/2021 12:40

I’m not vaccinated because I’ve got a needle phobia but I’m getting increasingly upset at being criticised in the same breath as the anti vaxxers, I’m not an anti vaxxer.
But all these people calling for those who don’t get the vaccine to be not treated by the NHS, it really frightens and upsets me.

TheFrendo · 19/12/2021 12:41

Do the overweight not see that they are part of the problem?

Do those with co-morbidities not see that they are part of the problem?

Theworldisfullofgs · 19/12/2021 12:41

bumbleymummy

I could give you lots of examples. That's just the worst one. My local acute hospital is full of ill unvaccinated people. I know that for a fact as I work with them.

Narutocrazyfox · 19/12/2021 12:42

@NuffSaidSam and @TheCountessofFitzdotterel to be clear, my decision was based on careful assessment of my personal risk, and on my behaviours (how much of a risk I may pose to others).

But that said, yes, I don't now know a single person (other than my parents) who have avoided getting covid. That obviously indicates a significant amount of vaccinated people - school parents, my colleagues, cycling and running club friends... All of them! So whilst the stats of course have to be observed, this 'vaccinated are far less likely to catch covid' line is simply not what people are observing in real life.

Bebedoogoogle · 19/12/2021 12:42

The sooner the government bring in mandatory vaccination and sanctions, the better

My child has tested positive and we’re now self isolating over Christmas. We probably wouldn’t have to do that if everyone was vaccinated.

If you are scared of needles, go to a large vax centre. They have phobia specialists to help you. Don’t not go because you are scared.

canary1 · 19/12/2021 12:43

It’s all about the high proportion of beds used by unvaccinated. We are only talking about restrictions because of the ( underfunded by tories) NHS.why don’t the unvaxxed get that they will keep us under restrictions!

Fluffycloudland77 · 19/12/2021 12:43

They weren’t, my dh was admitted during that time.

TerraNovaTwo · 19/12/2021 12:43

In answer to above replies re questioning science. Not for one minute am I suggesting we should listen to Susan who got barely scraped a c in gcse science. There is conflicting advice, views and research out there from actual bonified scientists. Why are we taking advice largely from what seems one scientific body (SAGE) and one unelected official?

Why are we made to panic, with talk of another lockdown over this mutation, when to date there are 85 deaths directly and indirectly caused by it, and there are at least 400k infections daily (official estimate of unrecorded cases) ?

I have MANY other unanswered questions.

To reiterate I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I'm booked in for my booster jab.

LeMeuilleurPattissier · 19/12/2021 12:43

Can people with needle phobia be given diazepam or similar short acting anxiolytics to help with the procedure. Would that work or has it been offered? I'm not underestimating needle phobia and I think a lot of people have it.

XenoBitch · 19/12/2021 12:44

@Honeyhorse

I’m not vaccinated because I’ve got a needle phobia but I’m getting increasingly upset at being criticised in the same breath as the anti vaxxers, I’m not an anti vaxxer. But all these people calling for those who don’t get the vaccine to be not treated by the NHS, it really frightens and upsets me.
Same here. This thread is vile, it really is. I don't think the people posting such things in this thread realise the impact their words have on people like us.
Whatafool123 · 19/12/2021 12:44

Rubbish. The unvaccinated are the ones filling the hospitals and causing the problem which will lead to lockdown. Anyone who works in the NHS can tell you that. Nothing to do with the media (who are nonetheless stirring the pot in a very irresponsible way).

That said, if you are literally seeing no one, then no, you are not part of the problem.

And while anecdote is not data, I am covid positive following the booster, and sitting at home in isolation as fit as a fiddle. I know noone who had covid pre-vaccine who could say that, but plenty with long covid symptoms of varying seriousness.

Personally, I have little sympathy for those who could get vaccinated but won't for whatever stupid reason.