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Do unvaccinated people not see they are part of the problem?

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User135644 · 19/12/2021 11:21

I accept it's people's right whether they get jabbed or not, entirely up to them. However, the more people stubbornly refuse a vaccine then the worse it'll be for all of us. The hospitals will be more stretched and we'll have more restrictions, lockdowns or circuit breakers. People who won't get the vaccine are often the most anti-lockdown or restrictions, yet are part of the problem as to why we'll keep getting them.

Where exactly do they think we'd be without vaccines? We wouldn't have had a relatively normal 6 months or so with everything open, that's for sure.

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NuffSaidSam · 19/12/2021 12:01

If the vaccine prevented you from catching, carrying or spreading covid I might re-assess my decision - but it doesn't.

The vaccine doesn't prevent it, but evidence shows it does greatly reduce the likelihood of you catching, carrying and spreading it. Will you reassess now?

Vapeyvapevape · 19/12/2021 12:01

The unvaccinated are not the reason the NHS is on it’s knees but they sure as hell aren’t helping the situation .

vera99 · 19/12/2021 12:04

I'm genuinely frightened out society is starting to collapse. Get fucking vaxxed unless you have an overriding medical reason.

jewel1968 · 19/12/2021 12:05

And I do agree no vaccines are without risk. And this vaccine is relatively knew so possibly more risky. My risk assessment is COVID is a greater risk. But then my mother died from it do that impacts my decision I guess.

canary1 · 19/12/2021 12:05

TerraNovaTwo
Unelected officials? You mean experts in the field?
Good to see Joy Morrisey MP on mumsnet on a Sunday morning though !

Pontypandytaxpayer · 19/12/2021 12:06

@TheHungriestMama

I can see that your decision feels totally rational when you're just thinking about the risk of Covid to you personally but I sincerely believe that people need to think more widely about the decision to vaccinate.

What worries me about people being unvaccinated is that they will fill the hospitals and then if someone in my family needs treatment, they may not get it in time because lots of people have made very poor personal risk assessments.

user1477391263 · 19/12/2021 12:06

It's funny, vaccine refusers tend to come in two flavors: the ones who think the virus is mostly just a bunch of exaggeration, and the ones who are DEATHLY afraid of the virus but still won't get vaccinated. It's interesting.

I've personally known a few people who fell into the first category, though thankfully several eventually caved and got the jab in the end. They are a curious bunch.

One thing that this group has in common is a tendency to moralize covid and see it as a punishment for being a Bad Person. They think they will not get covid because they are Good. They think that their kids will not get covid and pass it on to them, because their kids are Good and wear masks and they think that masks are some kind of miraculous force field. They rationalize the contact that they do have with friends by rambling vaguely about how "Well, they're careful people" "They are sensible" "They 'don't mix'" [whatever the heck that is supposed to mean--of course they mix, they're mixing with the person in question!].

They indulge in a kind of weird psychological bargaining whereby the fact that they are obediently and solemnly foregoing anything "fun" means that covid virus will take pity on them and choose not to infect them via their kids or their partner's work.

It's like they believe in a God of Pestilence who doles out punishments to the unworthy and will spare them because they are engaging in certain rituals.

bigbabs · 19/12/2021 12:07

@HeyDugeesCakeBadge but vaccines massively reduce the severity of the illness which, going back to my original point, directly reflects on the amount of people who are going to need NHS treatment. And that affects everyone. There is a lot of conflicting information about rates of transmission regarding the vaccinated so I won't comment on that but initially they did say it cut transmission rates by up to 50% in some cases. However the new variants have complicated that somewhat.

Labelling those who've had vaccines as 'virtue signalling' is utterly pathetic by the way. What's wrong with doing the right thing and being happy with your choice? I'm not shouting about it from the rooftops. It's just yet another feeble insult from the antivax brigade.

FreeBritnee · 19/12/2021 12:08

I certainly think the anti- vaxxers will end up being forced to vaccinate through stealth. Job opportunities, benefits, social and travel opportunities will end up being portioned off for the vaccinated until the only choice is to have it. May as well just get it over with.

Narutocrazyfox · 19/12/2021 12:08

@NuffSaidSam nope - based on the fact not one single vaxxed person I know has avoided it...

NuffSaidSam · 19/12/2021 12:09

I am not willing to take the risk of covid vaccines until there has been a longer timescale, it's only been available to give since Dec 2020, that is one year. I always wanted to see a couple years worth of evidence and then get it

Are you grateful to all those who have had it though? They're the ones giving you the data you need aren't they?

Do you accept that if everyone took your view no vaccines would ever have been created? Not this one or any of the others keeping you/your DC healthy? And do you accept that is fundamentally selfish?

RockingMyFiftiesNot · 19/12/2021 12:10

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but can you not understand that these people are genuinely frightened?

I was a bit worried about the vaccine but am way more worried about catching COVID. I don't want to live like a hermit, and whilst I appreciate I could still catch it, it is a) less likely and b) if I do catch it, am way less likely to be hospitalised or die. So worth the risk in my book.

Goodmorninglights · 19/12/2021 12:10

You’ll be waiting a long time for any anti-vaxxer to admit they are wrong. In my experience they are made up of people who have achieved very little in life, are dissatisfied, miserable and DESPERATE to finally be right about something and superior to those they like to call sheeple. Surely if they had some knowledge that us inferior folk don’t have they’d be bashing down doors, shouting on the streets to save humanity? Instead they are tucked up at home posting links to very questionable YouTube clips. Pathetic.

HangingOutWithTheSandman · 19/12/2021 12:11

It's funny, vaccine refusers tend to come in two flavors: the ones who think the virus is mostly just a bunch of exaggeration, and the ones who are DEATHLY afraid of the virus but still won't get vaccinated. It's interesting.

I’m not either of those. I don’t think it’s at all exaggerated but I’d rather not get it. I’m not scared of getting it though.

HeyDugeesCakeBadge · 19/12/2021 12:11

Bigbabs well yes, I believe covid passes are virtual signalling as they literally do nothing. Im not anti vax, I just don't want this particular vaccination.

Awakened22 · 19/12/2021 12:11

Rather than name calling against all those who are unvaccinated, why are we not focusing on educating and supporting those who are at the highest risk? Unvaccinated young people with no underlying conditions are not going to bring the nhs to breaking point. The elderly, obese and those with underlying health conditions who are unvaccinated are the ones likely to get seriously ill and need nhs support.

user1477391263 · 19/12/2021 12:12

Sorry, "second category," I should have said.

"You’ll be waiting a long time for any anti-vaxxer to admit they are wrong."

If we mean veteran anti vaxxers, I agree. On the other hand, most people who are not vaccinated right now probably do not fall into this category. Most can probably be persuaded with time, with better vaccines (the Valneva one or other traditional vaccines might prove persuasive), and with social measures that make their lives sufficiently difficult.

RockingMyFiftiesNot · 19/12/2021 12:12

@Awakened22

Rather than name calling against all those who are unvaccinated, why are we not focusing on educating and supporting those who are at the highest risk? Unvaccinated young people with no underlying conditions are not going to bring the nhs to breaking point. The elderly, obese and those with underlying health conditions who are unvaccinated are the ones likely to get seriously ill and need nhs support.
.... but they are way more likely to transmit it to the vulnerable, including those you mention.
stingofthebutterfly · 19/12/2021 12:13

@DDUW

I'm unvaccinated. I'm not coming in contact with anybody so I don't see that I am part of the problem.
You've not been to the shops, opened the door to the postman or left the house for the past year or so? You wouldn't be alive if that were true. So yes, you are part of the problem.
NuffSaidSam · 19/12/2021 12:13

[quote Narutocrazyfox]@NuffSaidSam nope - based on the fact not one single vaxxed person I know has avoided it...[/quote]
Are you happy to use anecdotal evidence in place of proper data?

From your post it sounded like you'd properly thought it through and researched it, but if you're falling back on anecdotal evidence then you are just in the 'unvaxxed because I've listened to stuff on Facebook rather than the data/evidence' aren't you? Which is your choice of course, but let's be clear!

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 19/12/2021 12:14

[quote Narutocrazyfox]@NuffSaidSam nope - based on the fact not one single vaxxed person I know has avoided it...[/quote]
You are saying every single vaxed person you know has had covid?

Either you know a minuscule number of people or you are a statistical anomaly or you are full of shit. I know which one I think is most likely.

Awakened22 · 19/12/2021 12:16

@RockingMyFiftiesNot but is that not why we have testing? In the last 6 months I know more vaccinated people that have had Covid than unvaccinated…I’d rather be in a room with an unvaccinated person who has a negative LFT than a vaccinated person who hasn’t done one. And if both have negative LFTs, happy days and we can all have a party!

Lanique · 19/12/2021 12:16

Totally agree op, and if we lock down again I'm going to get increasing angry with those who are too pig-headed to get their jab.

Lanique · 19/12/2021 12:17

Ffs LFTs are not reliable 🤦‍♀️

rainrainraincamedowndowndown · 19/12/2021 12:17

If they did, they wouldn't be having a massive protest in the middle of surge of cases in London.