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Do unvaccinated people not see they are part of the problem?

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User135644 · 19/12/2021 11:21

I accept it's people's right whether they get jabbed or not, entirely up to them. However, the more people stubbornly refuse a vaccine then the worse it'll be for all of us. The hospitals will be more stretched and we'll have more restrictions, lockdowns or circuit breakers. People who won't get the vaccine are often the most anti-lockdown or restrictions, yet are part of the problem as to why we'll keep getting them.

Where exactly do they think we'd be without vaccines? We wouldn't have had a relatively normal 6 months or so with everything open, that's for sure.

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loobylou10 · 19/12/2021 12:20

@DDUW goodness - how have you managed to not come into contact with anyone for over a year? Genuine question ...

DottyHarmer · 19/12/2021 12:21

The unvaccinated on this thread are not covering themselves with glory. They really don’t seem very pleasant people.

One question: if omicron had merged with Ebola, say, and the virus would kill you, would you then take an “untested” vaccine?

RockingMyFiftiesNot · 19/12/2021 12:21

[quote Awakened22]@RockingMyFiftiesNot but is that not why we have testing? In the last 6 months I know more vaccinated people that have had Covid than unvaccinated…I’d rather be in a room with an unvaccinated person who has a negative LFT than a vaccinated person who hasn’t done one. And if both have negative LFTs, happy days and we can all have a party![/quote]
LFTs are notoriously unreliable for a start and I don't for one minute believe that unvaccinated people are testing before going to a bar or supermarket.
No one has ever claimed that the vaccine will stop you catching or transmitting COVID, but reduces the chances and severity.
I agree with you that the vaccinated still have a duty to test before mixing but LFTs aren't always going to be right, they're hard to get hold of at the moment, and I don't think people are testing going about their daily lives.

Kshhuxnxk · 19/12/2021 12:22

Our immediate group consists of 5 couples.

Couple 1 Neither have had covid. One vaccinated, one not.

Couple 2 As couple 1.
Couple 3 Vaccinated had covid, did not SI in home. Unvaccinated did not get covid.
Couple 4 Both got covid, unvaccinated had minor symptoms, vaccinated was bedridden.
Couple 5 Both vaccinated, one got covid again did not SI in home, the other didn't.
My workplace. Recently everyone who has had covid has been vaccinated.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/12/2021 12:22

I completely agree.

Why is my freedom looking like being curtailed to let anti vaxers fill hospital beds.

I never thought I’d agree with Jarvid, but what he said this morning is true.

If it’s about ‘rights’ well the vaccinated have a right to a normal life, just as much as anti vaxxers have to decline the jab.

I don’t see why we have to have restrictions to protect them. The majority protecting the selfish minority. How is this allowed to happen🤷🏼‍♀️

Awakened22 · 19/12/2021 12:23

@Lanique what’s the current accuracy? I think the last I read said 70-80%. Maybe I should have added that if anyone had cold symptoms even with a negative lft then they wouldn’t be at the party!

Libertybauble · 19/12/2021 12:23

‘Totally agree op, and if we lock down again I'm going to get increasing angry with those who are too pig-headed to get their jab’

I am triple vaxed but people like you scare me. Watching the mob’s hatred and venom grow towards people who have chosen not to get this particular vaccination - as is their right - is truly disturbing. Give it time and let the media continue to whip up hatred towards unvaccinated people and watch the bloodlust grow. It won’t be long before an unvaccinated person is assaulted in my view. They’ll be easily identifiable by that point as they’ll probably have to wear some kind of badge, to keep everyone ‘safe’.

It’s disgusting and I want absolutely no part in it. And yes, I do understand the pressures on the NHS. I also understand history and know that the hatred I’m seeing directed at a particular group of people never ends well for those people. Horrible to watch it unfold.

Libertybauble · 19/12/2021 12:25

Also, you’re at far more risk from me, double vaxed and boosted, than you are from a dirty diseased unvaxxed person with a negative test.

UserBot · 19/12/2021 12:25

Wow, shocking views here imo. I have already had my booster but I support the right of other people who aren't me to choose not to have a vaccination. It's a choice, or it should be.

If this were ebola though, with a higher mortality rate I might feel differently so my views aren't rigid but specific to this virus.

I worry about the next virus. This one is a beginner. What if we have used up all of our energy and goodwill and stamina dealing with a virus with a 99.7% survival rate and then we're met with a virus with an 70% survival rate.

Janne777 · 19/12/2021 12:25

@User135644

I accept it's people's right whether they get jabbed or not, entirely up to them. However, the more people stubbornly refuse a vaccine then the worse it'll be for all of us. The hospitals will be more stretched and we'll have more restrictions, lockdowns or circuit breakers. People who won't get the vaccine are often the most anti-lockdown or restrictions, yet are part of the problem as to why we'll keep getting them.

Where exactly do they think we'd be without vaccines? We wouldn't have had a relatively normal 6 months or so with everything open, that's for sure.

The hospitals were half-empty during the first lockdown. But on the news they were full. How do you explain that?
bumbleymummy · 19/12/2021 12:25

@User135644

I accept it's people's right whether they get jabbed or not, entirely up to them. However, the more people stubbornly refuse a vaccine then the worse it'll be for all of us. The hospitals will be more stretched and we'll have more restrictions, lockdowns or circuit breakers. People who won't get the vaccine are often the most anti-lockdown or restrictions, yet are part of the problem as to why we'll keep getting them.

Where exactly do they think we'd be without vaccines? We wouldn't have had a relatively normal 6 months or so with everything open, that's for sure.

Do you think that people who have decided not to have the vaccine for themselves (in many cases because they’re low risk/have had the virus) think that no one should have been offered it? Confused
rightsideoftheroad · 19/12/2021 12:26

But the vaccinated are spreading it? Vaccinated are allowed out after close contact. My brother went to a party last week and 7 out of 8 caught covid/spread covid ans then passed it on to their families. All of them were vaccinated.

waterlego · 19/12/2021 12:27

I know a couple of people who are unvaccinated by choice. Neither of them are scared or needle phobic. They’re pretty vocal and refuse to wear masks too. They don’t like being told what to do and think the rest of us are stupid sheep. They believe that the virus exists but they think it should be allowed to develop naturally so we can all develop herd immunity.

One of them told me we should all ‘trust our immune systems’ which I thought was a fucking cheek given how many people do not have the luxury of being able to trust their immune system. What a nonsense. I wondered if they would tell a couple struggling with IVF to ‘trust your reproductive system’ or a person with heart disease to ‘trust your cardiovascular system’. It’s just wishy washy, woo bollocks.

bumbleymummy · 19/12/2021 12:29

@HeyDugeesCakeBadge

Why is it the unvaccinated's problem? People who are tripple jabbed can still catch, transmit and still have to isolate if they do get it? How is it the fault of the unvaccinated? Other countries that have forced the unvaccinated into lockdowns or said they cannot enter premises haven't stopped the spread then how can it be anything but a virus doing what viruses do?
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LemonViolet · 19/12/2021 12:29

covid passes do nothing to stop the spread other than virtue signalling……What do you think covid passports are actually going to do to stop the spread?

Obviously covid passports don’t stop spread. What they do is keep unvaccinated people (more likely to need NHS resources if they catch it) away from situations where they are more likely to catch it, reducing pressure on the NHS.

It is all about reducing pressure on the NHS, for everyone.

Choosing to remain unvaccinated, whilst an individual choice, is a selfish one, as the risk you are taking isn’t yours alone. Same as every covid protection measure - masks, distancing.

Think of it like “mild” (not really) drink driving, under the legal limit but have had a drink. Or even just driving when you’re incredibly tired or really poorly. Your ability is still impaired, you are still higher risk on the road, not just of killing yourself but of killing other people too. You’re not just taking the risk for yourself, but for other people too. It’s legal, it’s your choice. Some people think it’s irresponsible and selfish, and will think poorly of you for it. Not a perfect analogy, but illustrates a view.

Tarne · 19/12/2021 12:30

Anyone who doesn't look after themselves properly could be seen to be putting the NHS on its knees- the obese, the smokers, those through lifestyle choices have heart disease and diabetes, and the covid unvaccinated.

Unless we say ok, you lot need to take measures to look after yourselves before coming to the NHS for help, it's not going to work is it?!

It might be their mental health which makes them make what professionals believe are unwise decisions and we can't punish them for it.

HeyDugeesCakeBadge · 19/12/2021 12:30

Dotty if covid and ebola became one and had a high mortality rate then yes I would absolutely take the vaccine. As it happens, the recovery rate from covid are 99‰ +and the risk v benefit if the vaccine just isn't there for me.

NdujaWannaDance · 19/12/2021 12:31

People who won't get the vaccine are often the most anti-lockdown or restrictions, yet are part of the problem as to why we'll keep getting them.

I know. Bonkers, isn't it?

bigbabs · 19/12/2021 12:32

@HeyDugeesCakeBadge having a covid pass (something that the NHS/government have enforced so that people can use certain venues and services) is not virtue signalling. That is such a shit, childish term. People using vaccine passes are literally just complying with the rules as they've been asked. They aren't saying 'oh look at me I'm so superior because I've had my jabs'.

You need to brush up on your definition of virtue signalling. Filming yourself giving money to a homeless person for example = virtue signalling because you are wanting praise and recognition for doing a good deed rather than just doing it. Having your jabs and using a vaccine pass however = being responsible and complying with systems put in place. Hope that helps.

dollybird · 19/12/2021 12:32

Those saying more vaccinated are getting covid than unvaccinated, surely that's because a very large percentage of the population have been vaccinated?

ChiefInspectorParker · 19/12/2021 12:32

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bumbleymummy · 19/12/2021 12:32

@UserBot

Wow, shocking views here imo. I have already had my booster but I support the right of other people who aren't me to choose not to have a vaccination. It's a choice, or it should be.

If this were ebola though, with a higher mortality rate I might feel differently so my views aren't rigid but specific to this virus.

I worry about the next virus. This one is a beginner. What if we have used up all of our energy and goodwill and stamina dealing with a virus with a 99.7% survival rate and then we're met with a virus with an 70% survival rate.

If it was something like Ebola then more people would have the vaccine because it has a much higher CFR.

And I agree with you that we’ve used up a lot of goodwill and stamina on this.

ILoveHuskies · 19/12/2021 12:34

I'm vaccinated but I still believe that it should be personal choice to have it or not.

A friend of mine was beaten up on Friday by two people for not being vaccinated. I really don't like where it's going

DottyHarmer · 19/12/2021 12:34

Look, dimwits, we all know the vaccine doesn’t necessarily give protection against contracting the virus, but those DOMINATING ICU ARE UNVACCINATED.

And those who think “it won’t be me” - the 38-year-old ICT bloke at dsis’s company who declined the vaccine nearly died of covid and has been in hospital -yes, occupying a bed - for two months.

orchid2021 · 19/12/2021 12:34

The government really don't care about over whelming the NHS. they stand to lose over 100.000 members of frontline staff in April. That will surely cripple the NHS but the government are allowing and knowing it will happen.
I know plenty of people who haven't had any jabs, none of them are remotely scared of catching covid and dying.