Do unvaccinated people not see they are part of the problem?

[User135644]

I accept it's people's right whether they get jabbed or not, entirely up to them. However, the more people stubbornly refuse a vaccine then the worse it'll be for all of us. The hospitals will be more stretched and we'll have more restrictions, lockdowns or circuit breakers. People who won't get the vaccine are often the most anti-lockdown or restrictions, yet are part of the problem as to why we'll keep getting them.

Where exactly do they think we'd be without vaccines? We wouldn't have had a relatively normal 6 months or so with everything open, that's for sure.

The vast majority of patients in hospital with severe symptoms have not been vaccinated.

That’s the issue. The unvaccinated are putting the strain on health services (and sadly dying, paying the ultimate price for their stupidity).

It’s not about catching Covid. It’s about how unwell you become.

We’re locking down to protect the unvaccinated selfish people who walk among us.

there are at least 400k infections daily (official estimate of unrecorded cases)

Of both strains.

I think we should be directing our frustrations at our government NOT the anti-vaxxers.

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@LeMeuilleurPattissier

Can people with needle phobia be given diazepam or similar short acting anxiolytics to help with the procedure. Would that work or has it been offered? I'm not underestimating needle phobia and I think a lot of people have it.

And a pill to get through booking the appointment, and more pills to get through the sleepless nights leading up to the appointment... and another pill to get to the centre, and another to get through the door etc.

It can be so much more than the actual jab itself. One pill for the injection might help some, but the severity of a phobia can vary and a severe phobia is not helped with meds.

@DDUW

I'm unvaccinated. I'm not coming in contact with anybody so I don't see that I am part of the problem.

Wow you haven’t been outside your house since the beginning of the pandemic?? You haven’t been in contact with another human being since then?

@ElephantOfRisk

Oh and what about fat people and people who smoke or drink or do drugs? All those selfish fuckers making their own decisions and taking more than their fair share of NHS resouces....

Imagine if they'd made an effort to properly fund the health service and people didn't moan about paying taxes or the govt didn't piss money on stupid stuff

The threat in all of this is not so much unvaccinated people, it's an under resourced NHS and also people who are overweight and have type 2 diabetes or pre diabetes.

It's been publicised that is a major risk factor in developing complications with covid so has everyone on here who wasn't a healthy weight when this was identified, now lost weight to minimise their risk (and to "save the NHS"), or are they just moaning about unvaccinated people?

^This! Well said.

Luckily Gargellan, I put lots of money into the NHS through taxation (which I am more than happy to do) so unless you would like the government to give me my tax money spent on the NHS and I'll go private, I will expect treatment as does everyone else with lifestyles that put strain on the NHS.

@TerraNovaTwo

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but can you not understand that these people are genuinely frightened? Are we no longer allowed to question science or has it become a doctrine to blindly follow?

And since when do we follow advice, laws and orders from unelected officials (Chris Whitty - who is not the only expert in his field) ?

I follow advice from 'unelected officials' every day of my life. Being elected doesn't make you knowledgable.

I'm surprised no one has posted a link to this piece in today's guardian yet:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/21/icu-is-full-of-the-unvaccinated-my-patience-with-them-is-wearing-thin?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

@TheFrendo

Do the overweight not see that they are part of the problem?

Do those with co-morbidities not see that they are part of the problem?

Those with comorbidities often don't have any option to change their situation. We are part of the problem, but unless we top ourselves there's nothing we can do except get vaccinated, shield as well as we can-very hard in real life with family, work and school. Those who are unvaccinated can often change that situation

@Whatafool123

Rubbish. The unvaccinated are the ones filling the hospitals and causing the problem which will lead to lockdown. Anyone who works in the NHS can tell you that. Nothing to do with the media (who are nonetheless stirring the pot in a very irresponsible way).

That said, if you are literally seeing no one, then no, you are not part of the problem.

And while anecdote is not data, I am covid positive following the booster, and sitting at home in isolation as fit as a fiddle. I know noone who had covid pre-vaccine who could say that, but plenty with long covid symptoms of varying seriousness.

Personally, I have little sympathy for those who could get vaccinated but won't for whatever stupid reason.

You think everyone who had covid pre-vaccine was unwell even though we were told from early on that around 70-80% of infections were mild or asymptomatic?

Unless there is a medical reason why they should not be vaccinated they are, quite simply, stupid.

I am genuinely baffled why people still think that if you have the vaccine you won't get Covid. I think at the start, they were hoping that might be the case, but it has been clear for ages now that the vaccinated can catch and pass it on like anyone else.

The advantage of vaccination is simply to reduce your symptoms and take strain off the hospitals. But most importantly, you are far, far less likely to die. Important for the tubby custards among us, along with everyone else at higher risk.

The people at work who are unvaccinated (the conspiracy theorists and the I never get ill brigade) are the same ones who don't wear masks and who do not use lateral flow tests.

Xeno yes I can see there's not a simple answer there. A non injectable would be good, like for flu. Hopefully someone is working on thar

An in in vaccinated person who caught it from a vaccinated person who thought they couldn’t catch it I would have to disagree

@LeMeuilleurPattissier

Xeno yes I can see there's not a simple answer there. A non injectable would be good, like for flu. Hopefully someone is working on thar

I have read that human trials have started on a nasal spray version (can't find the link right now).

Sorry an unvaccinated Person.

@Bebedoogoogle

The vast majority of patients in hospital with severe symptoms have not been vaccinated.

That’s the issue. The unvaccinated are putting the strain on health services (and sadly dying, paying the ultimate price for their stupidity).

It’s not about catching Covid. It’s about how unwell you become.

We’re locking down to protect the unvaccinated selfish people who walk among us.

According to latest ICNARC data, 48% of patients in critical care in November were unvaccinated. Yes, the vaccine reduces the risk of serious illness but the majority of unvaccinated people are in lower risk categories eg young/healthy BMI/no underlying conditions.

@Honeyhorse

I’m not vaccinated because I’ve got a needle phobia but I’m getting increasingly upset at being criticised in the same breath as the anti vaxxers, I’m not an anti vaxxer. But all these people calling for those who don’t get the vaccine to be not treated by the NHS, it really frightens and upsets me.

My husband has a needle phobia too. It's so bad that he once passed out at the doctors when they were just describing the injected anaesthetic he needed for a minor medical procedure. However he is double vaxxed and boosted because he a) he is socially responsible b) he doesn't want to die and c) he realises that should he fall seriously ill with CoVid he would have a long stay in hospital necessitating a lot of needles.

Seriously, get the vaccine. Ask your GP to prescribe a tranquilliser if necessary. It could save your life.

A vaccinated 60 yr old is still more at risk than an unvaccinated 20 year old. So no, that’s not what it’s doing at all. And the vaccinated 60 year old being allowed into a crowded venue with lots of other vaccinated people who haven’t had to test and could be infected, could end up in hospital too.
They could, however, and I admit I don’t have data immediately to hand to back this up, but I bet that a 60 year old is much less statistically likely then a 20 year old to want to be at an event that requires a covid passport in the first place. So on a population level the passports should hopefully still have this effect. It’s all about reducing risk.

Re the “overweight/smokers are putting pressure on the NHS” argument…..yes they are, and that’s why there are massive public information campaigns on diet, nutrition and stopping smoking to aim to reduce those risk factors on a population level.

"Interestingly, they don't question what's in their food or how it's been processed, what's in the medicines they take, all the plastics invading their bodies from the environment, pollution in the air, etc. etc."

Some of them do. The alternative health lot have quite a few anti vaccers. One vaccine sceptic I know worried about every single thing she eats.

@mynameiscalypso that article is from November and was not correct - see the data from the ICNARC report.

Why do people still think that they or their DC are catching covid because of people who are unvaccinated. Are they just stupid?

I very much see them as part of the problem but I also can understand that our government consistently lieing to us and refusing to take responsibility for their actions does not nurture a situation in which sceptics might be willing to reflect on the biases in their thinking. WE need to create some trust to enable things to move forwards. So whilst the unvaccinated are leading to increased death rates (not just theirs), there are reasons behind this that also need looking at.

Xenobitch - this thread isn't 'vile' - the discussion is simply not going in your preferred direction.